Alaskan Humus

Doomhammer69

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So last grow I decided to try my hand at as organic as I could go , I brewed some tea's with earth worm casting and some bio live from down to earth . Now I just bought some Ancient Forest Humus for this go round , and I came across this site.. now I'm scratching my head. These test were done and prove that in fact tea's do nothing more than add microbes and some could actually hurt you.. anyway read for you self. I am in no way ranting... just scratching my head.

http://www.gardenmyths.com/compost-tea/

Also I bought some of this I have read other post on it and it sounds good, however is this for tea the direction says just add to water? why not just sprinkle some over the humus soil? ah.. trying new things:dunce::weed::leaf::wall:

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Rasta Roy

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So last grow I decided to try my hand at as organic as I could go , I brewed some tea's with earth worm casting and some bio live from down to earth . Now I just bought some Ancient Forest Humus for this go round , and I came across this site.. now I'm scratching my head. These test were done and prove that in fact tea's do nothing more than add microbes and some could actually hurt you.. anyway read for you self. I am in no way ranting... just scratching my head.

http://www.gardenmyths.com/compost-tea/

Also I bought some of this I have read other post on it and it sounds good, however is this for tea the direction says just add to water? why not just sprinkle some over the humus soil? ah.. trying new things:dunce::weed::leaf::wall:

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You can use as a top dressing if you desire but the product will stretch better if you apply it as a tea. Tossing in an air stone and some molasses for 24 hours will bring it to life.

Teas can be bad for your plants when they go anaerobic...they can carry pathogens. The best way to avoid this is to use an air stone and add oxygen to keep it aerobic. If that's not an option than stir it frequently and don't steep for more than 24 hours.
 

Doomhammer69

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You can use as a top dressing if you desire but the product will stretch better if you apply it as a tea. Tossing in an air stone and some molasses for 24 hours will bring it to life.

Teas can be bad for your plants when they go anaerobic...they can carry pathogens. The best way to avoid this is to use an air stone and add oxygen to keep it aerobic. If that's not an option than stir it frequently and don't steep for more than 24 hours.
I do use an air stone, I just thought the article I posted was curious. Thanks for the response.:hump::joint:
 

DonBrennon

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Most of the points he makes are already understood by most experienced organic growers on here and he's coming from a different standpoint than us MMj growers(working with 'built' soil in containers). The only place I will sort of disagree, is that he's assuming you've already got a good healthy microbial population in your soil. Not every soil has a thriving and active microbial population and kick starting it with a compost tea is definitely going to give you benefits, mores instantly than just topdressing with compost. If your soil is healthy and living, AACT's aren't required, you're not adding nute's, you're adding microbes.

I've seen compost tea turn sickly looking plants to stunners within a week on a number of occasions now, do I think just topdressing good compost would do the same? possibly, but no where near as fast.

It's a damn good tool to have in your arsenal and I'll admit, it's the 1st thing I turn to if my plants aren't looking too happy.
 

calliandra

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Yeah this guy...
What bothers me is he gives me the impression he hasn't really understood soil life, so some of his reasoning is kinda off and hence confusing :mrgreen: I read a few pieces by him and have decided to ignore him ;)

You don't need a lab, just a microscope with 400x magnification that can shadow, to verify and compare microbial herds in compost and compost tea. Still an investment not everyone will be willing to make.
I was and did, and can confirm that in Activated Compost Tea the microbes are indeed more numerous and active - dormant ones are woken up, and especially bacteria and protozoans reproduce very quickly and become real busybodies, producing glues and building microaggregate structures.
Dam I wanted to post some pix - of the compost under the microscope as compared to the ACT made from it - but can't find them at the mo. But I'm in the process of making some compost tea from reasonable quality compost I just bought (to see whether what I saw as a bunch of cysts are indeed dormant microbes, not something else - still learning here ;) ) so I can post comparative pix in the next few days.

As for nutrients, pest resistance etc. attributed to ACT.
This all comes from the fact that larger amounts of beneficial (=aerobic) microbes will increase nutrient cycling, making those nutrients the plant is ordering via exudates available to it in a form it can use well. So the myth guy can measure chemistry for as long as he wants. Bedrock contains all the nutrients we would ever want (chemically), but try biting off a chunk of that for breakfast haha
It's all about the form the stuff is available in, and the amounts, which are dialled in by the plant more effectively when all the buddies it needs are actually around. It's more about diversity and balance and a functioning system of cooperation than absolute numbers.

Yeah, there are even bacteria in molten lava, apparently. Doesn't mean we can grow healthy plants in it. We have been destroying the microbial herd with our agricultural practices, and in the past 100 years with chemicals, to the point that there are areas where the only way to recover the soil ecosystem is to import microbes from very far away, as nature would take ages to rebuild a good balance.

I started an experiment this year in my garden, which I couldn't go through with as I ran out of wormcast and haven't been able to make some nice thermal compost yet, but still.
Everyone's roses have been getting increasingly severe cases of black spot and rust in our gardens. This spring, I gave my roses an ACT foliar, and while all the other roses around had already dropped their leaves a month later, mine just started getting their first spots and held through another few weeks before they went as derelict as the others. That's powerful. And my wormcasts & hence ACT wasn't even 1st class, just "ok" in terms of diversity and fungal presence.
I imagine had I been able to continue foliaring, AND give the soil biology a bigger boost, maybe my roses would have resisted the diseases altogether!

Ugh so now I've gone off on that rant you didn't intend haha sorry :bigjoint:

In a nutshell, ACT is useful for foliars (because of the increased amounts of glues the activated micros make in it, allowing them to stick to the leaves better), and when you want to activate your soil biology quickly.
Otherwise, use compost directly in the soil, as it maintains its full complexity (whilst tea mostly doesn't contain much fungal mass or nematodes, just to name 2 I know of).

As for the guano, that's a different story, as far as I understand it.
Not about micros at all, just lots of nutes. I'd guess they recommend diluting in water so the soil gets drenched with it right away? Whilst when you just sprinkle it on dry it will gradually seep into the soil. So mechanical distribution. has nothing to do with ACT brewing at all. :rolleyes:
 

Doomhammer69

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Those look like some hearty indica girls!
Actually...:weed: These are Sativa Dominate, Hurricane / panama punch x L.A confidential and Citrix/ Grapefruit x L.A confidential from the Colorado Reserva Privada line. They do have those big indica leaves, the ones to my left are already almost twice the size of my hands. They are today one month from germination. I topped them two days ago the undergrowth should start booming in the next week.:hump:

These are my last seeds. I will be buying From Ben for my next grow. These will not be feminized So I am going to be learning how to clone and all that good stuff. http://www.centennialseeds.com/seed-varieties/:leaf:or these guys https://helpinghandsdispensary.com/marijuana-seeds-menu

On a side note I am thinking about trying this local compost company out. http://bosscompost.com/locations.shtml
 
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Rasta Roy

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Actually...:weed: These are Sativa Dominate, Hurricane / panama punch x L.A confidential and Citrix/ Grapefruit x L.A confidential from the Colorado Reserva Privada line. They do have those big indica leaves, the ones to my left are already almost twice the size of my hands. They are today one month from germination. I topped them two days ago the undergrowth should start booming in the next week.:hump:

These are my last seeds. I will be buying From Ben for my next grow. These will not be feminized So I am going to be learning how to clone and all that good stuff. http://www.centennialseeds.com/seed-varieties/:leaf:or these guys https://helpinghandsdispensary.com/marijuana-seeds-menu

On a side note I am thinking about trying this local compost company out. http://bosscompost.com/locations.shtml
Whatever is fresh and local is always great when it comes to compost! Even making my own I still have to supplement from a local source.
 
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