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CrackerJax

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It seems to be moving more towards the Dutch system right now from what I can see cracker. They are talking about legalizing recreational marijuana for adults over 21yrs in California.

The whole dispensary model is becoming more like the dutch coffee shop scene. Seems similar with cultivation and transportation of large amounts being illegal but the acceptance of large scale distribution out of store-fronts.

Right now there is very little infrastructure in place for a legal system besides the dispensaries. Where the pot is coming from and how it is produced is still a mystery . . . .:bongsmilie:
My point was AND STILL IS, to all of you folks out there without a real medical condition, UR going to ruin it for the truly needy. I stand by that post and attitude. Anyone selfishly glomming onto medical weed, who isn't truly sick, is hurting the cause.

Everyone is watching, this is no time to be selfish-CRACKERJAX


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This is completely true, in every sense that is the main government concern as in to "audit the use of marijuana" between adolescents and adults, and the sick from the healthy. Another key issue is the way the process of buying the marijuana comes out, as money transactions could cause a downward spiral so to say to de-regulate the main cause of legalizing marijuana and make it a solely a profit maker for those in care of the dispenseries!
Thank you, that's all i was saying, but some folks don't get it.

Medical is just that... MEDICAL. If and hopefully when it goes national, it will follow the route of all drugs, through the FDA. There will be a winnowing out process of growers and only those capable of producing very clean and stable weed will be allowed to grow by CONTRACT. If you don't have a Contract with the FDA, guess what? You'll be in the same boat U are today, illegal.

That's all. :peace:
 

Eire

Member
Thank you, that's all i was saying, but some folks don't get it.

Medical is just that... MEDICAL. If and hopefully when it goes national, it will follow the route of all drugs, through the FDA. There will be a winnowing out process of growers and only those capable of producing very clean and stable weed will be allowed to grow by CONTRACT. If you don't have a Contract with the FDA, guess what? You'll be in the same boat U are today, illegal.

That's all. :peace:

Jax, I'm sorry dude but flat out, Federal regulation of MMJ will not make home grows illegal. That's paranoid and stupid.

Look, a home brewer has no concern about impurities or alcohol level. But if he wants to sell locally them he must conform to local regulations for such. He may need to modify his recipe, fill out forms, and have inspections. But he can do what he wants. If he is blessed to be bought out by a big brewer then they will further modify the recipe and the brewing methods to conform to federal standards.

But still the home brewer for personal use is exempt ad legal! It benefits everyone including the big corporations and the federal government that it be so!

Now before you go writing a reply ask yourself if you really, really need to be right in this case. Because I tell you truly that I don't. I just wish, I pray that you might have something to teach me even if it would embarrass me. That's because I want to grow as a person and learning does that. And growing the balls to admit that I was wrong also does that.

So you can be right, and you can grow as a person, by just admitting that you were once in the past wrong, before you changed your mind. Then I hope that you will feel positive optimism instead of negative pessimism. You can start being hopeful about change and not fearful of it. The truth will set you free, my friend.

Look, I'll start and admit that I am acting from one of my faults right now. I am not one to hammer a nail halfway down. I do not hunt to wound animals. When I fish I do not catch and release. I follow a goal with obsession. It's not always pleasant. It's not always pretty. I don't always succeed.

But perhaps this time I can turn a paranoid nay-sayer into a hopeful supporter of some changes of which we have all dreamed. Maybe I can help you. Maybe I can make a friend who knows that I will not watch him fall without reaching out my hand because I wouldn't do it back when he was a stranger.

Or maybe I'll make a bitter enemy that resents me because I would not allow him even the tiniest bit of cover under which to hide and nurse his wounded pride.

That's a risk I will take because I'm strong enough to take the loss and hopeful enough to try for the win. I hope you can understand that it is both of our weaknesses that have brought us here. For my part, I am sorry.

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Eire

Member
I write silly stuff for fun and distraction. I don't usually show it around. I wrote a commercial for a fictional cannabis charity. I know it's strange. But my thoughts that led to it and the commercial itself may be somehow pertinent or helpful, so I'll post it. And I'll be ready for the razzing if you all so wish it.

I hear that the San Diego DA's office thinks that all dispensaries are for-profit and thus illegal. They site the advertisements of some dispensaries as examples of for-profit activity. I assume they have other reasons as well. But the point is that the San Diego DA's office believes that the goal of dispensaries is to keep the money for themselves.

I began thinking of these two issues of advertising and business growth on one hand and the net results for the goals of any non-profit charity. In the case of advertising I found no reason why any non-profit would fail to advertise. Who doesn't remember some celebrity telling how many cups of coffee it would take to feed a family of seven?

Besides, they must gain public awareness somehow, they must grow to at least pay their workers, they must grow as an organization so that they can help more people, they must maximize their income so they can also help the most people. So there is every reason for a non-profit to advertise. The Red Cross, March of Dimes, and an endless list of other non-profits would never have been able to help as many people as they have if they could not advertise and grow as an organization and yes, a non-profit business.

That left me with the question of what are the net results, the goals of these non-profit dispensaries. I assume they are contributing a percentage of their income to help those to whom they give care and from whom they have gathered that income. I also assume that they contribute another percentage to organizations that help address the issues of others that are in similar need. I assume NORML and the ASA as well as many others use contributions to further assist those who can benefit from safe access to medical marijuana.

But I wonder if they might benefit from their own local charity that will specifically help all those who suffer in California. They could all contribute a percentage of their income to this charity, less for new dispensaries who do not yet generate enough contributions and more for the established organizations. Then this charity would invest in medical cannabis research, research into non-drug related hemp products and businesses that can enhance California's financial strength and business community, and efforts to enhance public acceptance of this remarkable and valuable plant.

For instance, their first investment might be an advertisement to promote the it's own causes just like those ads we remember. For fun, I have written the script below. It could be something entirely different, but this is my take.

Fade in on an older gentleman wearing a medical smock and stethoscope, standing on dirt in an empty lot somewhere in California. "Hello," he says, smiling "My name is Will Willington, and I'd like to speak to you about Medical Marijuana."

Will turns and gestures, and is joined by a youngish middle-aged man, dressed simply and clean-cut. "This is Johnathan Doeson. He has insomnia."

"It's really terrible." Johnathan states, "It effected my relationships, my career, my ability to function. Other medications didn't help or had side effects."

Will turns and gestures again. He is joined by an elderly woman. "This is Martha Marida. She has arthritis."

"It helps with the pain." Martha claims, looking earnestly and sweetly hopeful into the camera.

Another man in a wheelchair rolls up and claims "My bones hurt! It helps!"

A woman walks up, bald with a bandanna on her head. "I get nauseous." She says. "I need to eat."

A crowd gathers and they all speak. You can't here an individual one, but they are all claiming help in need.

Will turns to the crowd and raises his hands for silence. Then he turns back to the camera.

"We are the California Compassion Collective." He states. "We are a charity devoted to assisting California residents and businesses gain the most benefit from all aspects of the cannabis plant." He pauses to let it sink in, then continues.

"We aren't asking for your money. This is not about donations. We are a charity funded directly by those who we seek to help." Again he pauses, then continues.

"What we are asking from you is your compassion and understanding. Dispensaries exist to provide the quality medication that your friends, family, and neighbors need. And in doing so they contribute to the economy and to your local business community. They are proud to be your friends and neighbors." Will allows another pause.

"These dispensaries and their members only want you to understand that they are genuine in their desire to contribute to a better life for everyone. They have a commitment to compassion, and they need your compassion to better succeed at those goals. They need you to write to your leaders local and state level to tell them that you support the legitimate operation of medical marijuana dispensaries. Tell them to stop raiding and terrorizing these law-abiding non-profit organizations, and start writing better laws to properly protect and regulate this worthy industry." Yet another pause.

Then Will steps in closer to the camera and shares "We need to stop the costly cycle of arrests and lawsuits back and forth between our leaders and those who provide help for those in need."

Will steps back with the crowd of people and says more loudly "So go to ccc.org and learn who needs to hear from you. We all thank you."

And the crowd erupts with a collective "Thank You!"

Fade out.

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Iron Lion Zion

Well-Known Member
Good business sense and an appetite for profits will usher it through the early times of high regulation to later times of less regulation for the reasons I have already stated. My reasons are the rock solid motivations of profits and business sense.
I agree with this.
While MMJ might start out similar to how he mentioned it, I have a feeling the $$ will be too easily made off of it and something better will arise.
The way I see it panning out (potentially):
States are allowed to make their own decisions based on marijuana - More states jump on the bandwagon - Some stay off, and continue to punish people - The states that accept it start making too much $$ off of it - Those that didn't, see this, and follow suit.

Even if it goes to the MMJ route, the fact that doctors are backing it, and assuming politicians realize that they are not medical professionals, MMJ will end up as a state issue (as mentioned) and the potential for profit will all but remove the regulatory "hiccups" that Cracker is suggesting.

The reason I think it will become a state issue is because, as Obama has already shown us, by allowing the states to decide, he takes the pressure off of himself/whoever is president, and places it on the state governments to decide.

Again, this is just my wishful thinking as well as my guess as to how this will all pan out. If it even does.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
That's nice, when's the last time you bought home made aspirin?

FDA .... medical .... the future .... home grown

One of these doesn't fit. Can you guess which one?
 

Eire

Member
You're still talking about selling it, you idiot. Everything is regulated if you want to sell it. Personal use is not. But you want to sell your home grow, or beer, or homemade dream catchers then it will be regulated at least as far as taxing sales. Your talking about home grows as if everyone is a dealer, maybe like you. Maybe that's why you can't get it through your head that everything changes when you want to sell it.
 

ndangerspecimen101

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Im sort of caught between crackerjax and eire... for the simple fact that if it does really get legailized in some states then the term and whole/cause of marijuana would be strictly for medical use, such as many amphetamines and opiates are scheduled as such within the FDA's power. If you don't have a license than you can illicit the sale and production thereof... but things turn ugly as this is product that is easily obtained and can be produced with relative ease. The law at the moment does give users the right to grow up to a few plants for personal use but when the law defines wholly as a medical dictum of regulations then things turn gray... and voices get mangled, definitions lose their potency, and then tables turn from one side to the other... trying to not contradict eachother but soon fall back to the same place. This debate can be fought until voices whimper to whispers!
 

CrackerJax

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It's because Eire is talking about the present and I'm talking about the future.

He thinks its going to stay similar to what is happening now. It won't.

Weed will eventually be regulated by the FDA and when it does, it will create stricter guidelines on who can supply the MEDICINE.


Scenario: Contract

Now let's say Mr. X who has a nice 1000 sq ft of growing space with a great set up & equipment and years of growing experience.

He wants to grow for the new MMJ consortium established by the FDA (since it will be national).

But someone else shows up. Oh, I'll just pick one out of many from a hat and go with Pfizer.

But then someone else shows up. A 3rd generation farmer with 5000 acres available.

and so on and so on.

Who gets the contract?

If it goes national & federal, it will go big business. Some current growers may make the cut, but the vast majority will be winnowed out. The product is actually irrelevant, this is the pattern of all things small that get large.
 

ndangerspecimen101

Well-Known Member
It's because Eire is talking about the present and I'm talking about the future.

He thinks its going to stay similar to what is happening now. It won't.

Weed will eventually be regulated by the FDA and when it does, it will create stricter guidelines on who can supply the MEDICINE.


Scenario: Contract

Now let's say Mr. X who has a nice 1000 sq ft of growing space with a great set up & equipment and years of growing experience.

He wants to grow for the new MMJ consortium established by the FDA (since it will be national).

But someone else shows up. Oh, I'll just pick one out of many from a hat and go with Pfizer.

But then someone else shows up. A 3rd generation farmer with 5000 acres available.

and so on and so on.

Who gets the contract?

If it goes national & federal, it will go big business. Some current growers may make the cut, but the vast majority will be winnowed out. The product is actually irrelevant, this is the pattern of all things small that get large.
It would definitely go to the big boys, and its a crying shame!

Although, their would be private contractors but thats where a misinformed decision could lay frail and may actually damage the cause of it all.

Why do you have this overwhelming feeling that this may occur? Is it from traditional collective thought or by formal talks of this occuring?
 

CrackerJax

New Member
MMJ is in its infancy, and I'm glad it's made real headway. It's friggin fantastic!! :mrgreen:

But ... the avenue it has taken is medical, as opposed to full legalization/decriminalization for the general public.

This could just be the crack in the door we all need to get to legalization, but that's an unknown and hard to quantify.

MMJ would be HUGE if it went national. That's when the big boys, the professional big boys will step up to the plate. I've seen some "regular" nurseries that would make your jaw drop. Some unbelievable stuff going on out there in Big AG land. Life and business is competition based, for better or worse (mostly better).

If it goes nation wide, the game will change. Mom & Pop just won't cut it. Heck, the demand alone would keep many big farmers busy in every state of the union. It would be huge.
 

ndangerspecimen101

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MMJ is in its infancy, and I'm glad it's made real headway. It's friggin fantastic!! :mrgreen:

But ... the avenue it has taken is medical, as opposed to full legalization/decriminalization for the general public.

This could just be the crack in the door we all need to get to legalization, but that's an unknown and hard to quantify.

MMJ would be HUGE if it went national. That's when the big boys, the professional big boys will step up to the plate. I've seen some "regular" nurseries that would make your jaw drop. Some unbelievable stuff going on out there in Big AG land. Life and business is competition based, for better or worse (mostly better).

If it goes nation wide, the game will change. Mom & Pop just won't cut it. Heck, the demand alone would keep many big farmers busy in every state of the union. It would be huge.
and thats the sort of competitive business that the DEA is looking at! Private sectors would mostly likely have to give up that power and most dispensies to as most are privately run and the profit is somehow not generated into the state...
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Oh, there will be profit pouring back to govt., make no mistake, or it simply won't happen.

Money is the grease of govt., and none of it is produced by them.

Next thing you know there will be weed lobbyists in Washington.
 

ford442

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i think its interesting about Israel working on a national medi-pot policy since they are one of our allies...

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Yesterday, Israel&#8217;s Ministry of Health was ordered to finalize within four months a detailed bill that would regulate the production and marketing of medical marijuana in that country.
Additional measures recommended by a government health committee included making sure that medical marijuana remains affordable for patients and implementing safeguards to prevent the drug from reaching illegal users and merchants.
Once again, Israel&#8217;s government has shown a desire to promote the wellbeing of patients who can benefit from medical marijuana&#8212;something our federal government continues to avoid.
 

smokinguns

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Perhaps sooner than later all the closet smokers can come out and admit they are tokers and have been for years. Seems I know more people that smoke than don't. And, the ones that don't smoke, they would but can't because of random testing at thier jobs. I'm thinkijng the averages on who smokes and who does not are way, way off. What do you guys think?
 

smokinguns

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Here's a thought. Take two test subjects, place them in seperate rooms and have one take shots and the other smoke. Then, subject each of them to a series of test much like the ones we have all seen on the effects of booze. Have them read, stand, balance, drive and so on. I think the results would be very interesting however, I'm sure the federal goverment would not like the results very much.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Those studies have been done, and I don't think even a police officer would tell you that booze is less harmful.

But, smoking weed does affect you physically so for driving at least, it's still a no go. Ppl can hardly drive now sober ... :lol:
 

ndangerspecimen101

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They should be air dropping 50lb bales of weed over Palestine. that would stop the attacks.

Like a scoop of god's air brushing over the land, marijuana would calm things if your looking at it in a humorous way ;)
 

ndangerspecimen101

Well-Known Member
Texting is accounting for most of the accidents now... its proven a driver is more impaired while texting then under the influence of marijuana!
 
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