Another Family ruined over a lil bud and "citizen forfeiture

They would have seized my truck for using it in the commission of a felony, but thank God I owed a lot of money on it. I told them take over the payments and they got pissed and tightened the handcuffs. Pussy ass cops that are nothing but thieves and criminals with no honor.

Wilderb said:

Mostly from bullshit drug cases. Are you a fucking cop?

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I'm not quite sure I understand your reason for your question or your abruptness.

No, I am not a cop. Cops are dicks. I could pretend to be a dick though, here let me show you...Why the fuck do you ask ?

Rob Roy said:

I'm not quite sure I understand your reason for your question or your abruptness.

No, I am not a cop. Cops are dicks. I could pretend to be a dick though, here let me show you...Why the fuck do you ask ?

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LOL. I misread your post. I went back and read the whole thread again. So I retract my assholeness. I will save it for another day.
I AGREE with almost everything you have said in this post. Reading fucked up with one eye is always bad. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

WE

Wilderb said:

LOL. I misread your post. I went back and read the whole thread again. So I retract my assholeness. I will save it for another day.
I AGREE with almost everything you have said in this post. Reading fucked up with one eye is always bad. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

WE

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No problem.

The Green Griffin said:

I get your point, but I don't want to decide between eating and paying for protection. I fear that those most abused by the current policing organizations (Poor, uneducated) would be the ones most unable to afford protection - and they live many times in the highest crime areas. There are some things that the government should provide, just wish there was better oversight or better screening to keep power-hungry thugs from becoming policemen/women. And Civil Forfeiture is a horrible, horrible law that should NEVER have been found constitutional. You get the behavior you incent, and allowing the police to keep the funds from these seizures gives them all the incentive they need to basically steal. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid law.

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I have three guards within 1000 yards of my home. The association dues covers it. Costs me less than 20 bucks a month. They never stop me and ask me what Im doing or where I am going. They always wave and smile when they see me. See the difference?

Ace Yonder said:

Free Market + No Police = Warlords

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With a small part of the taxes and fines you pay annually private respectful security can be acquired.

someone should target an area where cops are known to pull ppl over alot and take their money.......and they should drive around with a duffel bag full of kilo ziplocks of white flour and bricks of fake money........watch the cops eyes light up with anticipation only to be deflated after they realize its all fake....


if i was rich i would fuck with these types until they give up their sick theft programs

Civil asset forfeiture goes against every standard applied to our civil protection against search and seizure without due process.

It's one more example of how the compact between citizen and American State has broken down.

If cops are thugs who can't be trusted not to steal then society has ALREADY broken down.

We the People must withdraw our consent to be governed by such a corrupt system.

@Fogdog I am not sure what that looks like- but that doesn't stop me from thinking it's the right direction anyway.

There was once a free country that was America. Thanks to anti terrorism laws, civil asset forfeiture, RICO and the Patriot Act, that country is quite simply no more.

We now live in the Fascist State of the US Federal Government, where we don't have rights unless we can buy them.

And still there are morons who believe that Donald the Chump or Shillary Clinton will represent them effectively.

Oh yeah, forgot ERAD.

Look it up.

Thanks @a mongo frog

ttystikk said:

Civil asset forfeiture goes against every standard applied to our civil protection against search and seizure without due process.

It's one more example of how the compact between citizen and American State has broken down.

If cops are this, then society has ALREADY broken down.

We the People must withdraw our consent to be governed by such a corrupt system.

@Fogdog I am not sure what that looks like- but that doesn't stop me from thinking it's the right direction anyway.

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Your post is mixed. It brings up a good point about civil forfeiture being a bad thing.

Then you veer off into an assumption that there is some kind of voluntary pact between "citizens" and the American Police State. For that to be possible, you should be able to show evidence of that agreement, but you can't.

Also, when you say "we the people" you imply that consent is something which can be manufactured by some people for other people. That is erroneous.

ttystikk said:

Civil asset forfeiture goes against every standard applied to our civil protection against search and seizure without due process.

It's one more example of how the compact between citizen and American State has broken down.

If cops are thugs who can't be trusted not to steal then society has ALREADY broken down.

We the People must withdraw our consent to be governed by such a corrupt system.

@Fogdog I am not sure what that looks like- but that doesn't stop me from thinking it's the right direction anyway.

There was once a free country that was America. Thanks to anti terrorism laws, civil asset forfeiture, RICO and the Patriot Act, that country is quite simply no more.

We now live in the Fascist State of the US Federal Government, where we don't have rights unless we can buy them.

And still there are morons who believe that Donald the Chump or Shillary Clinton will represent them effectively.

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nope not disengaging. That concedes everything to the malefactors. You seem depressed. Maybe you need treatment.

ttystikk said:

Civil asset forfeiture goes against every standard applied to our civil protection against search and seizure without due process.

It's one more example of how the compact between citizen and American State has broken down.

If cops are thugs who can't be trusted not to steal then society has ALREADY broken down.

We the People must withdraw our consent to be governed by such a corrupt system.

@Fogdog I am not sure what that looks like- but that doesn't stop me from thinking it's the right direction anyway.

There was once a free country that was America. Thanks to anti terrorism laws, civil asset forfeiture, RICO and the Patriot Act, that country is quite simply no more.

We now live in the Fascist State of the US Federal Government, where we don't have rights unless we can buy them.

And still there are morons who believe that Donald the Chump or Shillary Clinton will represent them effectively.

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well said. there are many of us who are no longer under the illusion that we have anything close to what we had 200 years ago. As soon as foreign banks took over it was the beginning of the end.

Im actually surprised we made it this far.

We need to support people like David Simpson who are getting these laws changed.

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nope not disengaging. That concedes everything to the malefactors. You seem depressed. Maybe you need treatment.

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Show me where my words imply concession.

Depression is not a synonym for realism.

If you want to get personal and start throwing labels, perhaps it's because you've run out of logical arguments.

shorelineOG said:

We need to support people like David Simpson who are getting these laws changed.

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I'd say we first vote in Bernie Sanders. But yes to all the above.

schnooby said:

well said. there are many of us who are no longer under the illusion that we have anything close to what we had 200 years ago. As soon as foreign banks took over it was the beginning of the end.

Im actually surprised we made it this far.

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If we care about the ideal of personal freedoms, rights and responsibilities that was the dream of America, we need to start fighting for it.

Governments are a protection racket, just like Guido. At least Guido actually protects you when there is a problem in the neighborhood or if a competitor tries to muscle in. The citizen is forced by threat of force and violence to pay although never having consented to the arrangement. As long as Guido is paid on time, he wont come around and harass you for extra money again under the threat of life limb and property as the policia do when they pull you over, and fine you or god forbid find a roach in your car and your life savings you may have in a briefcase while you are on your way to buy a new car or business.

Imagine a world where small communities pay for their own security. When you go to the mall, they have their own security. Your apartment complex would have it's own guard, the guards in the neighborhood can band together for certain situations. None of them would pull you over and beat you up if you talk back to them. Everything the government does can be done way less intrusively on a voluntary basis privately and with consent. I never consented to this mafia in Washington or State Capital. Be intellectually honest and recognize you are all slaves.

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Show me where my words imply concession.

Depression is not a synonym for realism.

If you want to get personal and start throwing labels, perhaps it's because you've run out of logical arguments.

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Explain to me what you mean by disengaging, then. To me it means not participating in Democracy. Not voting, not attending rallies, not doing anything. But carping. To me that is equivalent to conceding defeat and submitting to the will of the developing authoritarian right. But maybe I'm not interpreting your words the same as you.

If you are taking this personal then it's because I'm holding a mirror up and you don't like what's in the reflection, perhaps?

Maybe disengage means something different to you. So, let's use the English language the same shall we?

Simple Definition of disengage
: to separate from someone or something
: to stop being involved with a person or group : to stop taking part in something
: to move (a mechanism or part of a machine) so that it no longer fits into another part

Is not disengaging from democracy "to stop being involved"? If not, then what are you talking about doing?

ttystikk said:

If we care about the ideal of personal freedoms, rights and responsibilities that was the dream of America, we need to start fighting for it.

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Do you see why you seem confusing to me? Now you are not talking about disengaging.

What the hell are you talking about?

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Explain to me what you mean by disengaging, then. To me it means not participating in Democracy. Not voting, not attending rallies, not doing anything. But carping. To me that is equivalent to conceding defeat and submitting to the will of the developing authoritarian right. But maybe I'm not interpreting your words the same as you.

If you are taking this personal then it's because I'm holding a mirror up and you don't like what's in the reflection, perhaps?

Maybe disengage means something different to you. So, let's use the English language the same shall we?

Simple Definition of disengage
: to separate from someone or something
: to stop being involved with a person or group : to stop taking part in something
: to move (a mechanism or part of a machine) so that it no longer fits into another part

Is not disengaging from democracy "to stop being involved"? If not, then what are you talking about doing?

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Name calling; suggesting I'm depressed.

I'm actively participating in many ways, this discussion being only one of them.