Anyone Else Have Problems With Intense LED's and Organic Super Soil?

Kamau42

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I just went to the store bought a new one and calibrated it. Not sure what the deal is. I made a ton of improvements over all on the environment and I am switching mediums. Trying to do one thing at a time so I know what works.
Does your new meter also read 500? Switching mediums isn't going to help if your water source is full of who knows what. I'd figure out the water situation first. 500 ppm just seems abnormally high for the Denver area.
 

coreywebster

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This is the part I am ignorant to.
I may or may not be dialed in.
Please let me know.
Plants are in veg
The light is a 600 R spec HLG currently about 48 inches above the plants and that is temporary because they are sick. I didn’t want them to be super close. It’s at 40% power right now.
Humidity is at 45%
Temps are between 70-75, there is an air conditioner inside my tent to save space because of my living situation
CO2 on a very low setting, I don’t have an environmental controller to test the levels, but it kicks on every two hours for 15 minutes at .5 setting on my tank. I’m leaving it like that for right now just because I don’t have the environmental controller.
Fan above canopy
fresh air being pushed in throughout the day to swap it all out
I might switch over to Coco here soon
Just because the water situation out here is ridiculous
I calibrated my pen, even bought a new one, just to make sure, and the ph was 8.6-8.7 ppms at 500 out of the tap. I filter the water for chlorine, Chloramine and sediment. But because it fluctuates so much if I’m not checking the water and adjusting it every single time, I lose.
Open to any advice or suggestions
I love learning new things
Get them temps to 80-85f , especially in veg.

Plant can't metabolise quick enough due to low temp because there's a lack of radiant heat which combined with high light intensity causes problems.
 

JustBlazin

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This is the part I am ignorant to.
I may or may not be dialed in.
Please let me know.
Plants are in veg
The light is a 600 R spec HLG currently about 48 inches above the plants and that is temporary because they are sick. I didn’t want them to be super close. It’s at 40% power right now.
Humidity is at 45%
Temps are between 70-75, there is an air conditioner inside my tent to save space because of my living situation
CO2 on a very low setting, I don’t have an environmental controller to test the levels, but it kicks on every two hours for 15 minutes at .5 setting on my tank. I’m leaving it like that for right now just because I don’t have the environmental controller.
Fan above canopy
fresh air being pushed in throughout the day to swap it all out
I might switch over to Coco here soon
Just because the water situation out here is ridiculous
I calibrated my pen, even bought a new one, just to make sure, and the ph was 8.6-8.7 ppms at 500 out of the tap. I filter the water for chlorine, Chloramine and sediment. But because it fluctuates so much if I’m not checking the water and adjusting it every single time, I lose.
Open to any advice or suggestions
I love learning new things
I think with led you want temps in the 80s
 

Cookiezealous

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I measured the ppm today, calibrated the pen first its at 387.
My plan is to either go with Coco and start doing all of that again or using ro water in the living soil and adding cal mag maybe something else depending on how they react. I know that it’s doing extra work for nothing but I don’t really see me having another option. Im going to split them into two different groups and try both methods.
It’ll be a learning experience.
They seem to be returning to normal. Still pretty yellowed but getting greener and new growth is starting to show up
Brought the temps between 78-83
Temperature seems to fluctuate, but it stays right in that 5 degree range.
New humidifier on the way. The last one broke. I’m assuming it was because of this water lol
I’ve spoken to so many people that live in the Denver area and none of them have this problem. I like the idea of living soil because it was so forgiving on the pH side and for the most part you can get a very decent yield and great quality for minimal effort once you’re up and running
I really did not want to go back to Coco, but I might end up having to go all in.
I really appreciate everyone’s help and insight
i used to grow in a warehouse a long time ago and I never attempted to go for quality. It was just pump it out as fast as you can.
now that I’m trying to actually do a great job, I am realizing how much I don’t know, and it’s very helpful to have people that are willing to communicate with you rather than shoot you down for not knowing something.
✌
 

Kamau42

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I measured the ppm today, calibrated the pen first its at 387.
My plan is to either go with Coco and start doing all of that again or using ro water in the living soil and adding cal mag maybe something else depending on how they react. I know that it’s doing extra work for nothing but I don’t really see me having another option. Im going to split them into two different groups and try both methods.
It’ll be a learning experience.
They seem to be returning to normal. Still pretty yellowed but getting greener and new growth is starting to show up
Brought the temps between 78-83
Temperature seems to fluctuate, but it stays right in that 5 degree range.
New humidifier on the way. The last one broke. I’m assuming it was because of this water lol
I’ve spoken to so many people that live in the Denver area and none of them have this problem. I like the idea of living soil because it was so forgiving on the pH side and for the most part you can get a very decent yield and great quality for minimal effort once you’re up and running
I really did not want to go back to Coco, but I might end up having to go all in.
I really appreciate everyone’s help and insight
i used to grow in a warehouse a long time ago and I never attempted to go for quality. It was just pump it out as fast as you can.
now that I’m trying to actually do a great job, I am realizing how much I don’t know, and it’s very helpful to have people that are willing to communicate with you rather than shoot you down for not knowing something.
✌
387 still sounds high for Denver city water. If it really is that high RO water would be better. 387 ppm water probably has a crapload of calcium that can lock out other nutrients. Do you have any updated pics?
 

Cookiezealous

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Still, a little slumped over. The younger plants seem to be getting better faster. The two plants closest to the bottom of the screen were just transplanted into coco, they are from my friends garden, and I just put them in there two days ago to see how they do. Still a little shocked from the transplant, and he had those things in solo cups for a really long time so they were not very healthy. I’m stuck on believing that it has something to do with the pH because they’re curled and light green with dark veins.
I think we will know if this is going to work within the next week.
 

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Cookiezealous

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If your using Langbeinite, would adding epsom salt be a bad idea? Both have Magnesium and Sulfur.
I don’t think that would be a bad idea, I have roots organics, Cal, Mag and sulfur, bringing my PPM up to 175 and getting the ph within an adjustable range for the soil 6-7 . once I add the roots organic, the pH drops dramatically to about 5.5. So much info on ph and living soil. I’ve noticed that if it’s within reason the soil does great, but if it’s something crazy like 8.7 it’s struggles a lot.
 

madvillian420

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I did 2 runs with a layer of straw on top of my soil (& topdress) and it definitely helped with the water/nutrient uptake. The added moisture on the top layer of soil that usually looks barren and dry after a couple days really made a difference. I tend to topdress randomly so its not the best for my needs but im thinking about going back
 

Week4@inCharge

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I did 2 runs with a layer of straw on top of my soil (& topdress) and it definitely helped with the water/nutrient uptake. The added moisture on the top layer of soil that usually looks barren and dry after a couple days really made a difference. I tend to topdress randomly so its not the best for my needs but im thinking about going back
going back to what?
 

Week4@inCharge

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sorry for being vague lol. i stopped using the straw after those 2 runs. Its been a while. Probably going to start using it again, the plants seemed happier.
Oh heck yeah for sure, the mulch layer does keep the top soil moist and the bacteria love it and thrive in those conditions, encourages the feeder roots to climb a little higher and the very act of the bacteria breaking down the straw mulch layer adds to the soils overall health.. I have to add a little more here soon, it's dropped almost an inch since I laid some down (about 8 weeks ago). A must if your top feeding your pots with dry amendments.
 

Cookiezealous

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I just wanted to update this thread. I know it’s been a long time but
i boxed up my HLG600rspec and brought in my much cheaper cretivity
It’s from Asia somewhere, it’s actually a really good deal for how strong it is, but, not nearly as strong as the HLG
Since switching over, I have had zero problems
I think the HLG pushes the plants and I probably use much smaller containers than most people do when using living soil because of space
If I put them in a huge pot, the hlg is fine
Using my new light I’m able to run it all the way through in 7 gallon pots without issue
So it’s two parts
One I needed to use a bigger pot
two, that light was too strong for the very random way that I am growing at the moment
This is my grow right now
I did an experiment and grew them in 1 gallon pots
When they were at the point where they were way too big for the pot
I root pruned them
I put them back in the 1 gallon pot
once they outgrew it again I switched over to a 5 gallon pot
I vegged really slow so that I wouldn’t run out of space too quickly, and the canopy could build up
Flipped it after three weeks and it’s been going great
I don’t think that root pruning is worth it though, it took them a little while to bounce back and I probably could’ve saved a lot of time
But again, this is just an experiment to see how I big I can get plants in living soil in small spaces
 

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