AP News: Trump campaign’s Russia contacts ‘grave’ threat, Senate says
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hanimmal
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That is what audits and everything else is for, it is done after elections all the time.
Also 'what if' scenarios are not 50/50, it is not like there is not a possibility of some things happening to alter the vote (like Dejoy holding back 150,000+ ballots until after the last day they could be counted), but the percent of votes that would be impacted are still far less than the actual amount of votes it would take to flip the results of the election.
Trump is a con man who has been trolling the legal system in the hopes of delaying his cult's acceptance of his loss.
It is the same as what he did in the last 4 years to try to stop all the investigations into his wrongdoing.
Somewhere in this Bi Partisan senate report on the Russian attack on our nation you can read how Trump uses nonsense legal theories to stop the investigations into him from prior to the election, which is not a real thing Trump is trying to do.
All these nonsense lawsuits and allegations are just Trump throwing spaghetti against the wall in the hopes something sticks long enough to have congress steal him the election.
hanimmal
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Im not.
It is not something Biden needs to dip a toe into. Once that thread started getting pulled you know it is going to be like a gnarly clog getting cleared in a hose. As soon as it starts to clear all the junk just starts flowing out. And Biden gets to keep his hands clean as he tries to help Trump's victims.
hanimmal
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It is being reported now that Trump is being a little baby because he is mad about his presidency being ruined by the Russia investigation. And is blaming the Democrats and that is why he is putting millions of Americans at risk from his shit handoff to Biden.
The ability people like Trump have to not have any personal responsibility in their own problems constantly amazes me.
June 7th 2016. His "Major announcement" about Clinton he said he would probably give in 2 days?
Ivanka's face always makes me lol as her dad announces to the world he is going to be meeting with the Russian's to get dirt on a political opponent.
Suck it up Don, you screwed up and got your entire criminal enterprise caught illegally working with a foreign military to attack our nation and the citizens you were supposed to be protecting over the last 4 years. It is not the Democrats fault that your own administration triggered a special investigation into you when you admitted you fired Comey for the whole 'Russia thing'.
I have no doubt Russia is no Trump's mind with why he is not giving Biden access to the classified information he is entitled to as president elect.
The ability people like Trump have to not have any personal responsibility in their own problems constantly amazes me.
Ivanka's face always makes me lol as her dad announces to the world he is going to be meeting with the Russian's to get dirt on a political opponent.
Suck it up Don, you screwed up and got your entire criminal enterprise caught illegally working with a foreign military to attack our nation and the citizens you were supposed to be protecting over the last 4 years. It is not the Democrats fault that your own administration triggered a special investigation into you when you admitted you fired Comey for the whole 'Russia thing'.
I have no doubt Russia is no Trump's mind with why he is not giving Biden access to the classified information he is entitled to as president elect.
hanimmal
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This is something that really makes it hard to think Trump is not a Manchurian candidate for Putin.
https://apnews.com/article/china-us-withdrawal-open-skies-treaty-dc5d2f77537464c48568e39e628f9ade
hanimmal
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Where would you like to start? Most recently trying to pressure elected officials to change election results would be as good of a place to start.
There is a lot more too.
Which is why Trump was freaking out that it all got shipped to the state level prosecutors (because he can't pardon state crimes).
Things that Trump cult members say?
Witch hunt that caught a lot of criminals and had over 100 contacts between Trump's campaign and the Russian military? I think you drank Trump's Kool Aid.
Unlike Trump we didn't vote for Biden's kids.
Are you an American? And if you are you ok with the Russian military attacking our citizens?
RosinNikko
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hanimmal
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You mean did I actually read all the reports and hearing transcripts about the Russian attack on our nation that Trump was using to get elected in 2016, yes.
RosinNikko
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Lol that he fabbed up with the Obama admin to try and throw the 2016 election?
Herb & Suds
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Look everyone a poor butthurt Trump sucker LOL
hanimmal
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Interesting that they were done under Republican House and Senate hearings after Obama was out of office.
So how exactly did Obama pull that off while Trump was POTUS?
hanimmal
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Links to the report are in this thread's OP and ....
hanimmal
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https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-michael-flynn-russia-courts-national-security-c4a4cdf07648104ed0bb45d352afe94b
WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal judge on Tuesday dismissed the criminal case against former Trump administration national security adviser Michael Flynn but pointedly noted that a pardon Flynn received from the president last month does not mean that he is innocent.
The order from U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan was expected in light of the pardon from President Donald Trump that wiped away Flynn’s conviction for lying to the FBI during the Russia investigation. Sullivan acknowledged in his 43-page order that the president’s broad pardon powers required dismissal and that the decision to pardon him is a political, rather than legal, one.
But he also stressed that a pardon, by itself, did not mean that Flynn was innocent of a crime he had twice pleaded guilty to committing. He dismissed as “dubious to say the least” the Justice Department’s stated rationales for seeking to drop the case — a request that was still pending at the time the pardon was issued — and noted the president’s own personal interest in this case.
“The history of the Constitution, its structure, and the Supreme Court’s interpretation of the pardon power make clear that President Trump’s decision to pardon Mr. Flynn is a political decision, not a legal one,” he wrote. “Because the law recognizes the President’s political power to pardon, the appropriate course is to dismiss this case as moot.”
However, he added, “a pardon does not necessarily render ‘innocent’ a defendant of any alleged violation of the law. Indeed, the Supreme Court has recognized that the acceptance of a pardon implies a ‘confession’ of guilt.”
Justice Department spokeswoman Kerri Kupec said, “Dismissal is, of course, the correct result.” Trump himself congratulated Flynn on the judge’s decision, writing in a tweet, “He and his incredible family have suffered greatly!”
The order brings to an end the yearslong saga involving Flynn, who was ousted from his White House job just weeks into his tenure.
He twice admitted guilt during special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation to lying to the FBI about conversations he had during the presidential transition period with the-then Russian ambassador to the United States.
But the Justice Department last spring abruptly moved to dismiss the case, despite Flynn’s own guilty plea, arguing that there was no basis for the FBI to have questioned him in the first place and that the statements he made during the interview were immaterial to the underlying investigation into whether the Trump campaign had coordinated with Russia.
Sullivan had resisted the department’s request to dismiss the case and appointed a former federal judge from New York to argue against its motion. He defended his stance on Tuesday even as he dismissed the case, writing that “many of the government’s reasons for why it has decided to reverse course and seek dismissal in this case appear pretextual, particularly in view of the surrounding circumstances.”
WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal judge on Tuesday dismissed the criminal case against former Trump administration national security adviser Michael Flynn but pointedly noted that a pardon Flynn received from the president last month does not mean that he is innocent.
The order from U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan was expected in light of the pardon from President Donald Trump that wiped away Flynn’s conviction for lying to the FBI during the Russia investigation. Sullivan acknowledged in his 43-page order that the president’s broad pardon powers required dismissal and that the decision to pardon him is a political, rather than legal, one.
But he also stressed that a pardon, by itself, did not mean that Flynn was innocent of a crime he had twice pleaded guilty to committing. He dismissed as “dubious to say the least” the Justice Department’s stated rationales for seeking to drop the case — a request that was still pending at the time the pardon was issued — and noted the president’s own personal interest in this case.
“The history of the Constitution, its structure, and the Supreme Court’s interpretation of the pardon power make clear that President Trump’s decision to pardon Mr. Flynn is a political decision, not a legal one,” he wrote. “Because the law recognizes the President’s political power to pardon, the appropriate course is to dismiss this case as moot.”
However, he added, “a pardon does not necessarily render ‘innocent’ a defendant of any alleged violation of the law. Indeed, the Supreme Court has recognized that the acceptance of a pardon implies a ‘confession’ of guilt.”
Justice Department spokeswoman Kerri Kupec said, “Dismissal is, of course, the correct result.” Trump himself congratulated Flynn on the judge’s decision, writing in a tweet, “He and his incredible family have suffered greatly!”
The order brings to an end the yearslong saga involving Flynn, who was ousted from his White House job just weeks into his tenure.
He twice admitted guilt during special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation to lying to the FBI about conversations he had during the presidential transition period with the-then Russian ambassador to the United States.
But the Justice Department last spring abruptly moved to dismiss the case, despite Flynn’s own guilty plea, arguing that there was no basis for the FBI to have questioned him in the first place and that the statements he made during the interview were immaterial to the underlying investigation into whether the Trump campaign had coordinated with Russia.
Sullivan had resisted the department’s request to dismiss the case and appointed a former federal judge from New York to argue against its motion. He defended his stance on Tuesday even as he dismissed the case, writing that “many of the government’s reasons for why it has decided to reverse course and seek dismissal in this case appear pretextual, particularly in view of the surrounding circumstances.”
shimbob
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And the earth is flat too.
captainmorgan
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hanimmal
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I wonder how many window malfunctions are going to happen in Moscow when the chicken's come home to roost.
Amazing how in June 2017 that the Russian military was initiating their attack on our and our allies systems using Ukrainian language programming.
Especially when we know that at the same time the Russian military was trying to cover their trail by blaming Ukraine.
And just because I was curious about any links Trump had in the same month that the Russian military was starting their troll to push blame on to Ukraine:
https://apnews.com/73a06aa400b3493fa63eaa90c78ffee0
I can't wait for Trump's idiotic brood all think that they are safe because Daddy pardoned them and they lie under oath and fuck themselves.
I am 86/111 of the way through that Aquarium paper. It is very interesting/frustrating when you consider all the methods they had to build up their information on their targets for psyops no longer being limited to individuals. Because through the tools they got from Snowden, they could apply that same attack to every single American and then work backwards to identify potential Domestic Terrorists or any other mark they could use in their attack on our nation.
Trump (and very much a large portion of the Republican party) has allowed us to be under continual attack of the Russian military with no push back. After 200k+ dead because of Covid (which the Russian military has propagandized), Russia should be worried about having Putin in power when we finally shake this attack off and turn our collective attention their way. Look at what happened after the last time we did that after the attacks on 9/11.