Are nutrients essential?

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I’m not quite sure how the dots are being connected. At no point was I referencing the nutrients we use, in comparison to the nutrients that are naturally available to the plants in the wild. When you get your hands on the stuff that is produced naturally, let me know, I’ll gladly buy it.
Every astronomer knows that every atom in an industrial chemical is natural.

Though it does probably contain a few thousand isotopic parvenus left over from atmospheric nuclear testing.
 

speedwell68

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I have been growing weed for 20 years off and on. Back in the day I used Hydro, Canna A+B and PK 13/14, then I went to organics. It was a few bags of Bio-Bizz All Mix, then loads of Grow, Bloom and Top Max. Cost a fortune.

Then I had kids and couldn't afford all the fancy pants nutes, so I went over to buying cheap compost adding chicken manure and some sulphate of potash. It worked fine.

These days I am too old and can't be arsed with all the hype surrounding nutes and grow mediums. They are mostly snake oil IMHO. All the plant sees is NPK and some essential minerals. These days my seeds are germinated in Jiffy plugs. I then put them in some GroSure potting mix, for the first 5 - 6 weeks and just add water as needed. GroSure Potting Mix is not the cheapest and isn't the most expensive. It is a Peat based compost mixed with Coir and Vermiculite.

At week 5 - 6 I pot them up into Jack's Magic Compost Mix, which is a compost and peat mix with added calcified seaweed to which I add Vermiculite and Mycorrhizal granules. Then I veg them for another 4 weeks and continue just adding water. I will then pot them up into their final pot. I add more Jack's Magic and Vermiculite. I give them a few more days of veg and flip them to flower. Then at week 5 of flower I simply give them Tomorite Tomato Feed NPK 4-3-8 at 50% of the recommended dosage until the end.

It is a cheap and effective system. I get consistent results. I am also not filling the planet up with hundreds of little plastic fertiliser bottles. I'm in the UK. A big bag of GroSure costs me £5 and is enough to do 24 plants. Jack's Magic is £12 for 100L. Vermiculite is so cheap for a massive bag I hardly notice the cost and a bottle of Tomorite is £3.99 and lasts me at least a year.

Everything I use is from the local garden centre and is the same stuff your Mum uses on her Tomatoes so is 100% safe to consume.
 

xtsho

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Yes nutrients are essential but they can come in many forms and most are already in soil. What isn't needed are expensive cannabis specific nutrients in a shiny bottle.
 

Zephyrs

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Ok Everyone, we all know are plants are grown with different styles. Different Strokes for different folks. G.reen L.ifes M.atter, Also. GLM movement, Stop all the grow styles racism. LOL
 

speedwell68

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I have been growing weed for 20 years off and on. Back in the day I used Hydro, Canna A+B and PK 13/14, then I went to organics. It was a few bags of Bio-Bizz All Mix, then loads of Grow, Bloom and Top Max. Cost a fortune.

Then I had kids and couldn't afford all the fancy pants nutes, so I went over to buying cheap compost adding chicken manure and some sulphate of potash. It worked fine.

These days I am too old and can't be arsed with all the hype surrounding nutes and grow mediums. They are mostly snake oil IMHO. All the plant sees is NPK and some essential minerals. These days my seeds are germinated in Jiffy plugs. I then put them in some GroSure potting mix, for the first 5 - 6 weeks and just add water as needed. GroSure Potting Mix is not the cheapest and isn't the most expensive. It is a Peat based compost mixed with Coir and Vermiculite.

At week 5 - 6 I pot them up into Jack's Magic Compost Mix, which is a compost and peat mix with added calcified seaweed to which I add Vermiculite and Mycorrhizal granules. Then I veg them for another 4 weeks and continue just adding water. I will then pot them up into their final pot. I add more Jack's Magic and Vermiculite. I give them a few more days of veg and flip them to flower. Then at week 5 of flower I simply give them Tomorite Tomato Feed NPK 4-3-8 at 50% of the recommended dosage until the end.

It is a cheap and effective system. I get consistent results. I am also not filling the planet up with hundreds of little plastic fertiliser bottles. I'm in the UK. A big bag of GroSure costs me £5 and is enough to do 24 plants. Jack's Magic is £12 for 100L. Vermiculite is so cheap for a massive bag I hardly notice the cost and a bottle of Tomorite is £3.99 and lasts me at least a year.

Everything I use is from the local garden centre and is the same stuff your Mum uses on her Tomatoes so is 100% safe to consume.
I have changed that a bit since June. I have discovered how bad using Peat is for the environment. So I have swapped from Jack's Magic to Westland New Horizon. Which is the same as Jack's Magic but replaces Peat with Coir. I have also been unable to get Tomorite locally, basically it is not Tomato season so the garden centre aren't stocking it. So I have been using Blattwerk Pure at 50% and a touch of Oldtimers Magnesium.
 

19-Sean-86

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I grew some auto's 3yrs ago without using any nutrients. I started off in potting soil then potted up at 2 weeks into some Westland soil that stated it feeds plants for 6 weeks. zero nutes used turned out to be a great yield. So answer to this is YES absolutely you can grow without nutrients.
 

Crazy_Ace420

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I assume by FF you mean Fox Farm. I have to admit that I have looked at their stuff in great detail and I can't see what is so special about it that commands such a premium price.
For real, im using organic Nature's Care soil from Home Depot/ Lowes locally, and anytime i feed with nutrients- Fox Farm Trio. ( always half strength) my plants dont respond well or stems start turning purple. Ive been having better luck keeping them healthy by just using PH down adjusted tap water to 6.2-6.5. Sometimes topping off the soil with another handful of Nature's Care and letting the added soil give the extra nutrients. Its my first grow and im on week 8 flower starting tomorrow 23rd. Pics from yesterday, Nov21.
Using 2 lights in flower, Mars Hydro ts1000 and a 70$ blurple off Amazon .
 

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