Are Republicans afraid of Trump? Hell, no — he's destroying democracy and they love it

FlyLikeAnEagle

FlyLikeAnEagle

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Whatever word you want to use for it — fascism, authoritarianism, pick your poison — the grim reality is that Republicans, both politicians and voters, appear to be all in on this project. It's painful to admit this, but Republicans have flat-out rejected democracy. As a group, they are pushing towards replacing democracy with a system where a powerful minority holds disproportionate and borderline tyrannical control over government and blocks the majority of Americans from having meaningful say over the direction of the country.

Republicans are not cowering in fear of Trump. On the contrary, they are exalting in his shamelessness. Watching Republicans at impeachment hearings, where they performed outrage for the cameras, lied with obvious glee and gloried in sharing conspiracy theories, it did not appear that they were intimidated by their president or anyone else.

No, Republicans clearly feel empowered by Trump. He frees them to reveal their darkest desire — which is to end democracy as we know it, and to cut any corners or break any laws necessary to get the job done.

The darker truth is that Republican voters, like Republican politicians, see clearly what Trump did — use the power of his office in an overt attempt to cheat in the 2020 election — and they love it. Like their leaders, Republican voters are feeling done with democracy and eager to follow Trump into a new world, where the majority of Americans who vote for Democrats are kept out of power, by any means necessary.

Are Republicans afraid of Trump? Hell, no — he's destroying democracy and they love it
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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I think there is still hope if people who are aware of the online propaganda (that these people voting Republican are being slammed with from every angle), don't lose sight of the fact that it is all smoke and mirrors.

And that while these people in the real world voting for Trump may start out with the talking points they learned from the paid trolls, they fall apart very quickly when trying to defend it. At that point they will inevitably turn to the worst hateful rhetoric designed to kill the conversation dead (again taught to them by paid hate trolls online), and that weathering that storm can lead to an actual conversation when they exit their adrenaline dump.

I remembering explaining to my little brother how my dad would pick fights with him until he would blow up at him, which then would lead to my dad walking away leaving my brother in a rage (they both live out in the country together in total disfunction a lot of the time), was kind of like he just got his nut off and is ready to go to sleep, leaving my brother unsatisfied when he didn't get to get his.

The trick I think talking with people in the real world is to understand they are so used to a one way interaction online and it is all about themselves and their argument that forcing them into thinking or being critical, feels like they are being trolled leading them to want to crater the conversation.

I am not a psychologist and have no idea how to actually get people out of this cult like stance though. Which is the bummer.
 
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schuylaar

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FlyLikeAnEagle said:
Whatever word you want to use for it — fascism, authoritarianism, pick your poison — the grim reality is that Republicans, both politicians and voters, appear to be all in on this project. It's painful to admit this, but Republicans have flat-out rejected democracy. As a group, they are pushing towards replacing democracy with a system where a powerful minority holds disproportionate and borderline tyrannical control over government and blocks the majority of Americans from having meaningful say over the direction of the country.

Republicans are not cowering in fear of Trump. On the contrary, they are exalting in his shamelessness. Watching Republicans at impeachment hearings, where they performed outrage for the cameras, lied with obvious glee and gloried in sharing conspiracy theories, it did not appear that they were intimidated by their president or anyone else.

No, Republicans clearly feel empowered by Trump. He frees them to reveal their darkest desire — which is to end democracy as we know it, and to cut any corners or break any laws necessary to get the job done.

The darker truth is that Republican voters, like Republican politicians, see clearly what Trump did — use the power of his office in an overt attempt to cheat in the 2020 election — and they love it. Like their leaders, Republican voters are feeling done with democracy and eager to follow Trump into a new world, where the majority of Americans who vote for Democrats are kept out of power, by any means necessary.

Are Republicans afraid of Trump? Hell, no — he's destroying democracy and they love it
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When impeachment is rendered unviable by the co-equal branches we will then resort back to revolution and assassination.

Which do you think Trump* prefers?

I've noticed this 'Peoples President' stands behind quite a bit of bullet proof glass that Obama didn't have to stand behind..

*impeached
 
Fogdog

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hanimmal said:
I think there is still hope if people who are aware of the online propaganda (that these people voting Republican are being slammed with from every angle), don't lose sight of the fact that it is all smoke and mirrors.

And that while these people in the real world voting for Trump may start out with the talking points they learned from the paid trolls, they fall apart very quickly when trying to defend it. At that point they will inevitably turn to the worst hateful rhetoric designed to kill the conversation dead (again taught to them by paid hate trolls online), and that weathering that storm can lead to an actual conversation when they exit their adrenaline dump.

I remembering explaining to my little brother how my dad would pick fights with him until he would blow up at him, which then would lead to my dad walking away leaving my brother in a rage (they both live out in the country together in total disfunction a lot of the time), was kind of like he just got his nut off and is ready to go to sleep, leaving my brother unsatisfied when he didn't get to get his.

The trick I think talking with people in the real world is to understand they are so used to a one way interaction online and it is all about themselves and their argument that forcing them into thinking or being critical, feels like they are being trolled leading them to want to crater the conversation.

I am not a psychologist and have no idea how to actually get people out of this cult like stance though. Which is the bummer.
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Some facts:
60% of white men approve of Trump's actions as president.
90% of the Republican Party are white people.
Support for Trump is support for white male supremacy.

They have most of the money, most of the management jobs, sit in most of the positions of political leadership, own most companies in the US. They are funding propaganda written to maintain them in power.

It is as if a cult were running this country but really, it's the same power group that has run this country its entire life. What is happening is demographics are shifting away from white majority to a diverse population and we are becoming less tolerant of that old white irrational power base. I don't see any one person's conversation "getting people out of that cult". It must come from the majority who aren't in that cult.

53% approve of Trump's impeachment. That's a good start. They are countering with voter suppression, yet more propaganda, lies and voter intimidation. They might win using those tactics in 2020. But still, more than half were able to see through the bs. I find much hope in that.
 
eddy600

eddy600

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hanimmal said:
I think there is still hope if people who are aware of the online propaganda (that these people voting Republican are being slammed with from every angle), don't lose sight of the fact that it is all smoke and mirrors.

And that while these people in the real world voting for Trump may start out with the talking points they learned from the paid trolls, they fall apart very quickly when trying to defend it. At that point they will inevitably turn to the worst hateful rhetoric designed to kill the conversation dead (again taught to them by paid hate trolls online), and that weathering that storm can lead to an actual conversation when they exit their adrenaline dump.

I remembering explaining to my little brother how my dad would pick fights with him until he would blow up at him, which then would lead to my dad walking away leaving my brother in a rage (they both live out in the country together in total disfunction a lot of the time), was kind of like he just got his nut off and is ready to go to sleep, leaving my brother unsatisfied when he didn't get to get his.

The trick I think talking with people in the real world is to understand they are so used to a one way interaction online and it is all about themselves and their argument that forcing them into thinking or being critical, feels like they are being trolled leading them to want to crater the conversation.

I am not a psychologist and have no idea how to actually get people out of this cult like stance though. Which is the bummer.
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What country do you live in?
 
eddy600

eddy600

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hanimmal said:
America, I am in Michigan, lived between Detroit and Adrian my entire life outside of a semester of school down in southern Illinois and a couple years up in East Lansing.
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Thanks for the reply. I don't think most people fall for these trolls that you often speak of. If Buck,Abandon conflict & fog dog don't buy it not many others will.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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eddy600 said:
Thanks for the reply. I don't think most people fall for these trolls that you often speak of. If Buck,Abandon conflict & fog dog don't buy it not many others will.
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No problem, I would have agreed with you before 2017 if I hadn't seen my family fall into this nonsense. I blame myself for not taking more time to explain how internet propaganda works when they were talking about con-trails. It is like the abortion trolling on Democrats, if you can believe that your government has a conspiracy to dump chemicals on us to kill everyone so the super elite can live in peace, it made it a lot harder to worry about trying to convince them that emails being deleted is nonsense.

I really hope that you are right now that it is getting exposed, though.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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eddy600 said:
Thanks for the reply. I don't think most people fall for these trolls that you often speak of. If Buck,Abandon conflict & fog dog don't buy it not many others will.
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It must feel degrading defending Trump.

Not that I've ever had to experience it.
 
Sleazyb

Sleazyb

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Fogdog said:
It must be so embarrassing to defend Republikkkans nowdays.
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Its actually very easy considering the communist , new green deal, open border , turn us into Europe and take our gun opposition. I don't know how them loony fucks have any supporters at all. Must be the chem trails lol
 
Obepawn

Obepawn

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As long as it keeps them relevant and in power, they love it. And they are afraid, afraid of being primaried.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Sleazyb said:
Its actually very easy considering the communist , new green deal, open border , turn us into Europe and take our gun opposition. I don't know how them loony fucks have any supporters at all. Must be the chem trails lol
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Or you are just learning what the 'left' is from Right wing nuts that lie.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Sleazyb said:
Its actually very easy considering the communist , new green deal, open border , turn us into Europe and take our gun opposition. I don't know how them loony fucks have any supporters at all. Must be the chem trails lol
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i heard your mom is a prostitute?
 
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