Are we on the verge of a civil war?

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
I believe it is possible.
My family we're from Mexico and have seen what happens when government becomes corrupt.
I hope they don't take our guns we need to defend ourselves.
In Mexico the police are corrupt and no real way to protect yourself.
So time to stock up on ammo and .223 rifles.
Nobody is taking anyone guns. Unless they get themselves into trouble having them anyways.

What the Democratic party wants is mainly to have people go through a background check that actually works, having to wait a couple days for serious firepower shouldn't be a big deal. And even then, hunting gear isn't going to have that applied to it.

A good buy back program and family notification of gun wills or something (so people don't have to worry about some kid getting grandpa's guns, maybe idk, just a random thought).
 

Wattzzup

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Just trying to figure out what the path forward is.

From posts made by those on the left, such as @Padawanbater2 and @schuylaar, we can see that nothing they have to contribute in the is of value in the short term. Mostly, they want revenge. Fuck that. Those losers would have bungled the opportunity and delivered this country back to Trump if they had their way. To them, suggest that they learn how to win in districts that are not safely Democratic. The country is moving in their direction but they talk as if it's already there.

The United States is undergoing a transition perhaps no rich and stable democracy has ever experienced: Its historically dominant group is on its way to becoming a political minority.


The Republican Party has treated Trump’s tenure more as an interregnum than a revival, a brief respite that can be used to slow its decline. Instead of simply contesting elections, the GOP has redoubled its efforts to narrow the electorate and raise the odds that it can win legislative majorities with a minority of votes. In the first five years after conservative justices on the Supreme Court gutted a key provision of the Voting Rights Act in 2013, 39 percent of the counties that the law had previously restrained reduced their number of polling places. And while gerrymandering is a bipartisan sin, over the past decade Republicans have indulged in it more heavily. In Wisconsin last year, Democrats won 53 percent of the votes cast in state legislative races, but just 36 percent of the seats. In Pennsylvania, Republicans tried to impeach the state Supreme Court justices who had struck down a GOP attempt to gerrymander congressional districts in that state. The Trump White House has tried to suppress counts of immigrants for the 2020 census, to reduce their voting power. All political parties maneuver for advantage, but only a party that has concluded it cannot win the votes of large swaths of the public will seek to deter them from casting those votes at all.


When Trump’s presidency comes to its end, the Republican Party will confront the same choice it faced before his rise, only even more urgently. In 2013, the party’s leaders saw the path that lay before them clearly, and urged Republicans to reach out to voters of diverse backgrounds whose own values matched the “ideals, philosophy and principles” of the GOP. Trumpism deprioritizes conservative ideas and principles in favor of ethno-nationalism.

The conservative strands of America’s political heritage—a bias in favor of continuity, a love for traditions and institutions, a healthy skepticism of sharp departures—provide the nation with a requisite ballast.


I see the glimmerings of an answer in this article. It covers a lot of ground, including examples in US history where once dominant factions reshaped themselves after political defeats. It warns that our Civil War was a result of inability of the Old South to do so. The last sentence that I posted from the article makes me think that there is a path forward for conservatives in this country to take back their party from Trumpism. US conservatism in the past held our elections system in high esteem but not Trumpism. The GOP could rebuild itself by discarding the most vile aspects of it -- ethno-nationalism. Witness the growing number of Hispanic voters and even some Black voters that crossed over to the GOP in this election. Diversity could save that party. Barring that, there might be other ways to peacefully negotiate the turbulence of change that is to come over the next ten years. I don't know what that is.
Before trump I considered myself down the middle. He drew a clear line in the sand with his us vs them mentality. I would consider myself a dem ...if he’s a republican.
 

Izthewiz

Member
There will be no civil war.
I highly doubt that.
Not that I care because I can return to Mexico if things get bad but, have you looked at The US national debt?
To try to fix the issues they have the US will resort to more and more printing.
When there is a lot of something out there what happens? It becomes worth a lot less.
The US has a expiration date and it has something to do with them printing there way out of issues.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
I highly doubt that.
Not that I care because I can return to Mexico if things get bad but, have you looked at The US national debt?
To try to fix the issues they have the US will resort to more and more printing.
When there is a lot of something out there what happens? It becomes worth a lot less.
The US has a expiration date and it has something to do with them printing there way out of issues.
Translation:
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
I highly doubt that.
Not that I care because I can return to Mexico if things get bad but, have you looked at The US national debt?
To try to fix the issues they have the US will resort to more and more printing.
When there is a lot of something out there what happens? It becomes worth a lot less.
The US has a expiration date and it has something to do with them printing there way out of issues.
What is it that you have seen that makes you feel this way about American prospects?

That money just represents the very real wealth we have built up as a nation.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
My English isn't the best so please don't be racist.
If you need be to translate in spanish or tagalog I can.
actually, I meant that you didn't say anything.

As in:

Translation: (nothing)

I was mocking your post. The topic was whether or not we are on the verge of a civil war . You said you doubt people who say there isn't going to be a civil war. Your reason? The national debt. Makes zero sense. So, yes, I was rude and mocked you. But then again, why should you care? You can just go back to Mexico. Perhaps you should.
 

V256.420

Well-Known Member
Fog, I don't think this guy is who he says he is.

Since his first post. Something don't smell right. All I'm going to say.
 

Bagginski

Well-Known Member
Not that I care because I can return to Mexico if things get bad but, have you looked at The US national debt?
To try to fix the issues they have the US will resort to more and more printing.
When there is a lot of something out there what happens? It becomes worth a lot less.
The US has a expiration date and it has something to do with them printing there way out of issues.
Debt clock check it out.
The national debt is what it is because that’s the way the GOP has governed/operated when in power for the last forty years: cut taxes on the wealthy (top bracket was 90% when I was a kid), shift the tax burden to the middle class and the poor, spend big on the military, scream about the deficit and cut services of all kinds (libraries, parks, education, etc) as soon as they were replaced by Democrats, hounding the Dems to clean up their crappy mess, while howling about “tax and spend liberals” and pretending that running the country like a business makes sense (only private governments *make* money). Reagan taught them that deficits don’t matter unless you can use them as a club to clobber the opposition. This cycle has been on lather/rinse/repeat since Reagan, and no one’s ever been better at it than the Treason Turtle. Not even Gingrich.

The debt clock is a political device for battering the GOP’s political opponents, and we’ve had 40 years that prove running the nation like a business means running the nation into the ground and then stomping on it ‘til it quits moving. The national debt is a real thing: but the nation can only run successfully if run like a family, and not like a business. A successful president needs to be more responsible father than tightwad landlord or asshole boss.

GOP has gone out of its way to turn EVERY ACTIVITY, EVERY OCCUPATION in profit centers, to enable middle men (aka ‘entrepreneurs’) to squeeze as much cash as possible out of every pocket, every transaction, every spare moment...to the point that the USA has become A LOT like Mexico - ruled by hereditary wealth and their political servants, managed and operated by a middling class, with the vast bulk of the actual work done by the lowest-paid and the least-regarded - desperate people looking for ANY way to scrape together enough coin to keep the roof up and their children from starving.
 
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