Chiceh
Global Mod, Stoner Chic
Fuckin heavy is right oz, I hear ya on the "theories" too. Do they really think we are that stupid?
Atheism & Spirituality
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preoQpydDlusion
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u must allow ur superficial self to die if u wish to clearly see what u truly are. u have responsibilities that i cannot identify with, so i cant judge, but i hope u will explore this feeling more man, it could change ur life in a monumental way. that resistance u feel is a product of the mind, it is afraid of disappearing.
but u are not ur mind. i am certain now that u really havent been there, no disrespect intended. ur mind has tricked u into thinking u turned it off, but that doesnt mean u went as far as u can go.
preoQpydDlusion
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no it takes a stupid fuck to accept that.
when the fuck did i say anything about dreaming? what u need to do right now is stop assuming me to be a unintelligent person. not only are u disrespecting me (uve made me cry twice now) ur disrespecting urself because ur not allowing urself to exercise ur fullest mental abilities. my questions were not rhetorical, by assuming me stupid u completely lost my point.
u need to open ur mind because ur fucking stupid. ur narrowmindedness has made u an intolerable, ignorant person. not only no u have no idea what ur talking about, u make it hard for ppl to offer u insight because u hold ur personal views with so much regard.
and about u thinking that ppl telling u to open ur mind is just a way for them to covertly oppress u- goddamn. no wonder ur so ignorant. u must be a miserable person.
do u really think the medicine industry would encourage ppl healing themselves?
how would they make their moeny? the fact that my girl fought off the attack wasnt my point. the point was that she doesnt suffer symptoms any more. she technically still has asthma, but it doesnt effect her.nope. dont kno what ur talking about. u sound like a whiny bitch that not only accepts his 'limitations' but celebrates them. with concrete limitations it makes it easier to waste ur life without wrestling with ur conscious too much, wouldnt u say?
Alright, you took it to a new level. Show me one fucking case dip shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4theist20
There is no cure for AIDS. Doesn't take a fuckin' genius to realize this.
no it takes a stupid fuck to accept that.
Fuck what I said about dreaming asshole. You obviously missed my point. I never assumed you to be an unintelligent person, in fact in another thread I recall very vividly telling you exactly the opposite.
You have failed to supply one example of someone curing themselves of some incurable ailment. YOU have failed to convince me because you are talking out your fucking ass. Stop trying to make ME out to be the idiot because YOU cannot back up your claims with evidence. You expect me to simply take your word for it? This is not about my personal views or your personal views. This is about how sickness and the mind/body work. We disagree over it. Please Preo. I do not wish to fight with you or Skunk. I think you guys often bring up interesting arguments. Over this issue, we both disagree. Nothing wrong with that.
Most people that tell me to 'open my mind' are usually religious/spiritual people. I was not saying that they're trying to oppress me, just trying to bypass the hard work of convincing me. I am ignorant to a lot of things. I openly admit it, and I also admit that I do spend much of my time feeling depressed. But I find joy in life as well.
Honestly, you might agree with Ozstone, that there's some government/pharmecutical conspiracy going on, but I personally am not big on consiracy theories. I think the majority are bullshit. This is not to say that I cannot be convinced one way or the other with sufficient evidence. I am not a narrow minded person. In fact, I think of myself as a very open minded person, but I require evidence. And I agree with you. Your GF STILL has athsma. Nothing has been cured. Controlled maybe... But for how long?do u really think the medicine industry would encourage ppl healing themselves?
Maybe you don't know what I'm talking about because you don't have athsma.... And I do.
I'm not going to lie to you or Skunk. When it comes to athsma, I will take an Athsma Doctor's advice above either of yours any day of the week. If this thread were about astronomy, I would take a cosmologists advice above yours, If it were plumbing, a plumbers advice. This just makes sense to me. The only thing I know about you two is you're in one way or another interested in growing marijuana. So start a thread about growing weed and I promise I'll take your advice.
But what do I know? I'm just a little whiny bitch that's in love with his own limitations.
skunkushybrid
New Member
After a quick search, I found this. There are hundreds of reported cases of people curing THEMSELVES of 'terminal' illnesses. Using what they claim to be their own mind. Asthma is nothing.
From The Sunday Times
November 13, 2005
Doctors baffled as HIV man cures himself
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Sophie Kirkham
A MAN who tested positive for HIV, the virus that causes Aids, has subsequently shown up negative for the disease in a case that has mystified doctors. It was claimed last night that Andrew Stimpson, 25, may have shaken off the virus with his own immune system after contracting HIV in 2002.
If proved, the NHS has said the case would be medically remarkable. It could provide vital information to researchers looking into treatments for HIV and Aids, which has killed about 3,800 people in Britain since the 1980s.
The worldwide annual death toll is more than 3m.
The Chelsea and Westminster Healthcare NHS trust, which treated Stimpson, has said he needs to undergo more tests before it can be established how he apparently conquered HIV.
These tests were accurate and they were his, but what we dont know at the moment is why that has happened, and we want him to come back in for more tests, said a spokeswoman. It is potentially a fantastic thing.
Stimpson was tested three times in August 2002 at the Victoria clinic for sexual health in central London and the results showed he was producing HIV antibodies to fight the disease.
Stimpson, originally from Largs in Ayrshire, contracted the virus from his boyfriend, Juan Gomez, 44. He began taking vitamins and other dietary supplements to keep his body healthy in the hopes that this might fend off the development of full-blown Aids.
In October 2003, after impressing doctors with his good health, Stimpson was offered a new test, which came back negative. Further tests in December 2003 and March last year also proved negative.
It was the last thing I expected. I was astonished. I was baffled too, he told the News of the World. I couldnt understand how anyone could cure themselves of HIV . . . I thought it had to be wrong because no one can recover from HIV, it just doesnt happen.
The tests were re-checked by the Chelsea and Westminster Healthcare NHS Trust when Stimpson threatened litigation believing there must be a mistake, but the results confirmed all the tests had been accurate.
In a letter understood to be from the NHS Litigation Authority in October this year, Stimpson was told: The fact you have recovered from a positive antibody result to a negative result is exceptional and medically remarkable.
The trust said there had been several other cases of claimed spontaneous clearance of the virus worldwide, although it is not believed any have been proved. A spokeswoman added that the trust had urged Stimpson to return for tests, but that so far he had not done so.
From The Sunday Times
November 13, 2005
Doctors baffled as HIV man cures himself
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Sophie Kirkham
A MAN who tested positive for HIV, the virus that causes Aids, has subsequently shown up negative for the disease in a case that has mystified doctors. It was claimed last night that Andrew Stimpson, 25, may have shaken off the virus with his own immune system after contracting HIV in 2002.
If proved, the NHS has said the case would be medically remarkable. It could provide vital information to researchers looking into treatments for HIV and Aids, which has killed about 3,800 people in Britain since the 1980s.
The worldwide annual death toll is more than 3m.
The Chelsea and Westminster Healthcare NHS trust, which treated Stimpson, has said he needs to undergo more tests before it can be established how he apparently conquered HIV.
These tests were accurate and they were his, but what we dont know at the moment is why that has happened, and we want him to come back in for more tests, said a spokeswoman. It is potentially a fantastic thing.
Stimpson was tested three times in August 2002 at the Victoria clinic for sexual health in central London and the results showed he was producing HIV antibodies to fight the disease.
Stimpson, originally from Largs in Ayrshire, contracted the virus from his boyfriend, Juan Gomez, 44. He began taking vitamins and other dietary supplements to keep his body healthy in the hopes that this might fend off the development of full-blown Aids.
In October 2003, after impressing doctors with his good health, Stimpson was offered a new test, which came back negative. Further tests in December 2003 and March last year also proved negative.
It was the last thing I expected. I was astonished. I was baffled too, he told the News of the World. I couldnt understand how anyone could cure themselves of HIV . . . I thought it had to be wrong because no one can recover from HIV, it just doesnt happen.
The tests were re-checked by the Chelsea and Westminster Healthcare NHS Trust when Stimpson threatened litigation believing there must be a mistake, but the results confirmed all the tests had been accurate.
In a letter understood to be from the NHS Litigation Authority in October this year, Stimpson was told: The fact you have recovered from a positive antibody result to a negative result is exceptional and medically remarkable.
The trust said there had been several other cases of claimed spontaneous clearance of the virus worldwide, although it is not believed any have been proved. A spokeswoman added that the trust had urged Stimpson to return for tests, but that so far he had not done so.
skunkushybrid
New Member
I disagree preo'... I enjoy my thoughts in all their complexities. when you believe you are clearing your mind of thought I believe this is fake. Even when you believe you are not thinking, you are. Your mind does not register all thought, or rather it does not remember it.
We are thought, without it we are either unconscious or dead. Yes, we may be able to hide for a while from the type of thoughts that plague us with decision or indecision, but all thought? No way.
We are thought, without it we are either unconscious or dead. Yes, we may be able to hide for a while from the type of thoughts that plague us with decision or indecision, but all thought? No way.
To that all I can say is how dare that piece of shit not return for testing... The hope for thousands of lives could reside within his body. You still have failed to show evidence of 'pure thought' curing incurable disease. Or, Ailments with unknown cures if you will. No doubt that shit is amazing... Was it done with thought? Or was something else at work? There is also the chance that perhaps the original 'positive' test was wrong.
skunkushybrid
New Member
There have been occasions where it is believed the testing may have been wrong, but I chose this one as it stated the tests were accurate.
This was found on a search for AIDS. There are also cases of cancers, spine repairals, all sorts of amazing, scientifically documented, cases of people healing themselves.
I honestly believe that with practise we can become more powerful human beings. Maybe the future eradication of disease isn't through cure, but through disassociation.
This was found on a search for AIDS. There are also cases of cancers, spine repairals, all sorts of amazing, scientifically documented, cases of people healing themselves.
I honestly believe that with practise we can become more powerful human beings. Maybe the future eradication of disease isn't through cure, but through disassociation.
skunkushybrid
New Member
Hey mogie! stop it! that hurts.
preoQpydDlusion
Well-Known Member
my friend has been breathing healthy for about fives yrs now (last i heard).
u kno, i work myself into some stubborn arguments from time to time, but this isnt appealing to me at all. u just seemed to have a slightly negative outlook on this subject, somehow that clashed with me. add the fact i took shit personally and this is what we got.
sorry for throwing around the insults in the last post, i dont have any solid proof that says its one way or the other. id rather go with the happy, hopeful assumption in this case and i recall certain things ive seen with people heating up their body temps with concentration, and scientists explaining how our mindsets control how our bodies are shaped (but that bit goes vice-versa).
the point id like to make is that its not automatically my responsibility to be the one digging up proof, u dont have evidence to proove ur claim either. sure, it isnt especially well documented that this is fully possible, but it isnt documented that its impossible. so then it goes down to logic which side makes more sense. u havent shown any logic so i dont see an argument.
but yeah, to be clear, i apologize and give up. the childish things i do sometimes...
Chiceh
Global Mod, Stoner Chic
skunkushybrid
New Member
It is also possible to speed up your heart rate and slow it down. This is very easy. A nice starting trick is to learn to wiggle just your little toe on it's own. You probably won't be able to do this at first as you actually need to concentrate to do it.
Headaches can evaporate with just thought alone... I'd advise anybody to throw away their painkillers. I know that some people lie... the tiniest amount of stress and they claim a headache. This in turn actually creates a headache. Belief is a very powerful tool. In medievil times monks would bash their heads off rocks their belief in a god such that they did not feel the pain. In their mind they transferred the thought of pain into one of joy.
This is my body, and it is I that is in control.
Headaches can evaporate with just thought alone... I'd advise anybody to throw away their painkillers. I know that some people lie... the tiniest amount of stress and they claim a headache. This in turn actually creates a headache. Belief is a very powerful tool. In medievil times monks would bash their heads off rocks their belief in a god such that they did not feel the pain. In their mind they transferred the thought of pain into one of joy.
This is my body, and it is I that is in control.