Atheism & Spirituality

krime13 said:

Why act, I find it alot more beneficial to quiet the mind and just observe,but then again, the one who speaks does not know, the one who knows, does not speak...

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ive slowly been turning off my mind more and more throughout my day, like when i first started i had to be laying down in my bed after i smoked some bud. i could easily see that the shit going thru my head wasnt my own doing. then i started doing it while i ate, when i clean, standard ritual stuff.

now its driving, work and sex. sex is great, driving isnt too hard, and work is rough because my coworkers think of me weird because i refuse to socialize with them all the time (fuckem, half of them are nuts too)

i hope to pass thru some threshold when i successfully only use the mind 1/2 of my waking hours. wishfull thinking probly


ey i got a question for the meditation guys- have u ever meditated while sleeping, like in a dream? i think im going to start carrying something with me i can hold while meditating, eventually it may pop up in a dream.

for some reason im really curious what whould happen to the dream if the mind was turned off- maybe some type of lucid dream could be experienced

ever heard of derren brown? if u dont live in the UK i wouldnt be surprised if the answer was no. he has a television show dealing with hypnosis and illusion, similar (slightly) to chris angel but he doesnt perform magic per say. here he (as a self-described atheist) manipulates the practices of evangelists into instantly converting nonbelievers into believing the existence of a higher power. be sure to read the entire description in the part 2 video.

YouTube - Derren Brown "instant conversion" part 1

YouTube - Derren Brown "instant conversion" part 2

YouTube - Derren Brown "instant conversion" (explained)

Derren Brown is a fake.

Preo', you honestly believe that you stop using your mind?

It seems to me that this is just a trick of the mind, the mind allows you to THINK that you're not thinking.

Even on death our minds are the last thing to die. Meditation is an illusion.

skunkushybrid said:

Derren Brown is a fake.

Preo', you honestly believe that you stop using your mind?

It seems to me that this is just a trick of the mind, the mind allows you to THINK that you're not thinking.

Even on death our minds are the last thing to die. Meditation is an illusion.

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why would u say browns fake? (like the people he messes with are actors or what?) its all psychology and hypnosis from what i can see. some of his stuff is a bit far-fetched but some of it is real for sure. thats the stuff that gets me interested.

i dont understand how meditation is an illusion either. i meditate because i physically feel better during and afterward. i meditate because i can make better choices when i stop all useless noise in my head from controlling me. where is the illusion?

preoQpydDlusion said:

why would u say browns fake? (like the people he messes with are actors or what?) its all psychology and hypnosis from what i can see. some of his stuff is a bit far-fetched but some of it is real for sure. thats the stuff that gets me interested.

i dont understand how meditation is an illusion either. i meditate because i physically feel better during and afterward. i meditate because i can make better choices when i stop all useless noise in my head from controlling me. where is the illusion?

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Yes actors. He was outed in our national newspapers, something to do with russian roulette and live ammo... He uses simple tricks.

Meditation is an illusion because you don't need it.

Meditation is an illusion because you don't need it.Its like saying beeng high is an illusion, cos you dont really need it...

krime13 said:

Meditation is an illusion because you don't need it.Its like saying beeng high is an illusion, cos you dont really need it...

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Yes, this is true. All we need is the experience. Once we have enough experience we should be able to replicate the feeling, or flick on the light without using our fingers so to speak.

Ever given yourself an XTC rush without taking E?

Isnt the process you describe called meditation? If we could replicate beeng high on demand , why would anyone buy, grow pot? And yes I think I know what you mean by x , however it only worked for me 2 weeks max after the real trip, beyond that I needed more ex...and I thought it was just a pleasent flashback now and than.

skunkushybrid said:

Yes actors. He was outed in our national newspapers, something to do with russian roulette and live ammo... He uses simple tricks.

Meditation is an illusion because you don't need it.

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simple tricks that confuse the fuck out of people. im not saying that man can do magic, magic is one of those words that doesnt even make sense. like god.

i dont need meditation. hm... well i dont need food either, i dont need oxygen. want to play the jaded game? put a gun to my head and taste my spit as i laugh in your face. meditation isnt therapy, its exercise.

ive only been meditating for a short while now and the main thing ive noticed is that ive spent alot of time in circular mindsets that do nothing but reinforce beliefs that never came from my own opinions. im young and i still have a strong urge to go out and accomplish something big and wasting time talking to myself isnt going to make that happen.

the more congested ur thoughts are the more u live in the past. meditation allows u to live closer to the present, which i find to be amazing.

Preq, you are on the right path young jedy, it reminds me of me 10 years ago, beware of lack of discipline, I dug my self a hole that is pretty tough to dig myself out of, however its never too late...My advice to you, if you have any habbits your true self dont approve of END THEM NOW!!! The older we get the harder it is...Beware of the dark side and may the force be with you...

krime13 said:

Preq, you are on the right path young jedy, it reminds me of me 10 years ago, beware of lack of discipline, I dug my self a hole that is pretty tough to dig myself out of, however its never too late...My advice to you, if you have any habbits your true self dont approve of END THEM NOW!!! The older we get the harder it is...Beware of the dark side and may the force be with you...

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hehe. u mean like smoking cigs and masturbating? how can stuff like that dig me into a hole (if u dont mind explaining)

edit: less mental baggage to deal with when pursuing a clear mind?

i guess a better question to ask is How can u really kno what ur tru self disapproves?

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krime13 said:

Isnt the process you describe called meditation? If we could replicate beeng high on demand , why would anyone buy, grow pot? And yes I think I know what you mean by x , however it only worked for me 2 weeks max after the real trip, beyond that I needed more ex...and I thought it was just a pleasent flashback now and than.

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The X thing happens with me every time I meditate and try and replicate the feeling.

Cannabis is far more complicated and releases different neuro transmitters at the same time.

It takes belief. You make yourself believe that you feel a certain way. Smokers, next time you need a cigarette, try convincing yourself that you've just had one. Feel the smoke as it glides down your throat. Feel it in your head as the brain releases the chemicals. It really is quite easy.

We take drugs because we are lazy and do not BELIEVE we have full control over our brains.

Ok one at a time, preQ , yes stuff like that, it might seem minor now for you ,but there will be the point in your life when you will have a choice, keep your vices and be a slave, or change your self and be something great, the sooner you make a choice the easier your jurney will be, but deep inside you already knew this...

Skunkyshy, you describe great, and quiet advanced meditation technics, why than say that meditation is not real? And yes in the ideal world it is possible yo kalm nicfit with a mentall sigarette, however in my world that cigarette often saves a life of another idiot who managed to piss me off, and I'm not easilly pissed off, Its seems that in the persuit of happiness I have become a slave to my freedoms...I would really like to elaborate on this, but its really getting kind of personal and due to the nature of this site...

Meditation IS real. What i mean is that it is a trick, a way of conning ourselves that we are accomplishing something by thinking about nothing.

My form of meditation includes investigating thoughts... not just thoughts but the thoughts behind the thoughts... they branch off like trees. I also believe that we can cure OURSELVES of illnesses by mere thought alone.

Understanding thought is the true path to enlightenment, not ignoring it.

My form of meditation includes investigating thoughts... not just thoughts but the thoughts behind the thoughts... they branch off like trees. I also believe that we can cure OURSELVES of illnesses by mere thought alone.

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Skunkushybrid

As far as meditation goes, I really don't give a shit about it. It may hold certain benefits, it may not. I don't care, either way it exists within the realm of atheism. So it's not on my hit list. But as far as curing ourselves of illnesses by thought. Please give a little more information. I'd like to see someone cure themselves of brain damage just by thinking 'happy thoughts.'

Brain damage? Why so pedantic?

Two people have been in the news recently, both claiming to have cured THEMSELVES of AIDS.

What is cancer?

It's not about happy thoughts either, when did I say that? I said by thought alone, I didn't mention anything about the type of thoughts.

If thought cannot cure you from illnesses then why is stress the cause of so many illnesses?

We all meditate, even if it's just for the 14 mins (on average) it takes us to get to sleep, and then sleep is the deepest meditation of all... after that it's unconsciousness and death. This is why things always seem better in the morning.

I'm not a buddhist or religous in any way... but I do believe that MANKIND has more power than we give ourselves credit for. We have billions of neuro transmitters and scientists only understand about a handful of how these transmitters work. Yet, we are in control of our brains... nay, we SHOULD be in control of our brains. Yet a lot of people let their brains control them.
A kind of AUTO-PILOT, if you will.

My form of meditation seeks to understand MYSELF (therefore understanding other people on a basic level). I believe that emotion gives off energy, an energy that we can feel (not see, unless of course you are so in tune that the strength of emotion can seem almost visible).

When someone is really angry, striding through the street like they don't give a fuck. Is it only their body language and facial signals that make us move to the side out of their way? Or is there something more?

Energy. Maybe?

skunkushybrid said:

Understanding thought is the true path to enlightenment, not ignoring it.

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kinda vague, mind elaborating? i find that where i am now, that theres no ignoring going on when i turn off my mind. its not like holding my breath or trying not to blink, its more like keeping myself from biting my nails.

skunkushybrid said:

When someone is really angry, striding through the street like they don't give a fuck. Is it only their body language and facial signals that make us move to the side out of their way? Or is there something more?

Energy. Maybe?

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no what makes u get out of there way is that "victim mentality" u got going.

kidding. i definitely fallow u with the energy thing. i wouldnt be suprised tho if it was just an illusionary byproduct of body language.

Two people have been in the news recently, both claiming to have cured THEMSELVES of AIDS.

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I think their both liars, or they're just mistaken. AIDS has no cure.

It's not about happy thoughts either, when did I say that? I said by thought alone, I didn't mention anything about the type of thoughts.

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Yeah, I just said 'happy thoughts' because I thought you'd like it. lol

If thought cannot cure you from illnesses then why is stress the cause of so many illnesses?

Yet, we are in control of our brains... nay, we SHOULD be in control of our brains. Yet a lot of people let their brains control them.
A kind of AUTO-PILOT, if you will.

When someone is really angry, striding through the street like they don't give a fuck. Is it only their body language and facial signals that make us move to the side out of their way? Or is there something more?

Energy. Maybe?

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If you're talking about acne or constipation brought on by stress I'll give it to you. Calm thoughts may very well be all you need to cure yourself of these stress related symptoms, but AIDS, ALS, parapalegic patients... No amount of thought will cure these things. I agree that when people are happier they tend to be healthier, no doubt. But I don't believe in some mysterious power within us to cure all sickness. Something as simple as the common cold or the flu are beyond our 'Happy thought' defense.

And I don't believe in the 'emotional energy' thing either. Like Preo and yourself already said... Body language.