CrackerJax
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The Arabs look upon Israel through religious eyes as well. Take away Islam and Judaism and Christianity, and no one would pay that area any mind at all.
doc111
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The Ugandan thing is old news. And if you knew what you were talking about you'd know that the evangelists in question tried to urge the Ugandan govt not to enact such legislation. And I'm not on either side. I'm on the side of respect for one's fellow man, something I don't see you atheists doing at the moment. Religion can be jacked up but you guys keep pointing out all the bad shit and none of the good that religion does. It ain't all damnation and lynching nonbelievers. We're intelligent people here I assume so let's try to be fair. Even if the other side doesn't play fair, it doesn't make you better to sling mud.So we mustn't kick against the pricks, eh?
What about the role of resistance in that long evolution? Which side are you on, Doc?
This just in; Ugandans want to enact death penalty for homosexuals after American evangelists speak.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html?sq=uganda&st=cse&scp=2&pagewanted=print
There's no grey area here.
doc111
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You're obviously a smart guy morgan. I can't believe you are generalizing and saying the whole south is a bunch of whackos bent on killing atheists, homosexuals, blacks, or basically anyone who doesn't believe.
I am confident that you know better and are just being inflammatory. That's like me saying that every gay guy is hell bent on raping me. I mean, come on dude! You could go to just about any town in the south, stand up in the town square and shout "I'm an atheist and proud of it". The only response you are likely to get is people saying "good for you".
ADLpotter
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Ok so I read about 20 pages of this thread. Fuck there's some idiots in here and unfortunately they mostly seem to be coming from the religious side. Do your religions a favour and don't act like total fucktards!
I'm not an atheist but fuck, I don't ignore people's statements and then have a blanket answer that makes no sense if they have a truly logical argument. Try to come up with real comebacks people, just think for a second. This thread made me angry I'm gonna go have a wank and burn in hell, it's quite cosy.
I'm not an atheist but fuck, I don't ignore people's statements and then have a blanket answer that makes no sense if they have a truly logical argument. Try to come up with real comebacks people, just think for a second. This thread made me angry I'm gonna go have a wank and burn in hell, it's quite cosy.
morgentaler
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The reason you can't believe it is that I didn't say it and that's the SECOND time you've lied and said I did.
Wow, you're a real piece of work.
This is in Ohio:
http://current.com/items/91446453_death-threats-force-removal-of-atheist-billboard.htm
Ohio could barely be called religious in comparison to Texas.
edit: another one -
http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/ap_death_threat.html
Then we could look to Matt Dillahunty, PZ Myers, Dawkins. All have received death threats for being outspoken atheists.
We have our wackos on both sides of the line. But when you have George Bush Sr. saying he thinks non-christians should be deprived of citizenship, that's some pretty motivational stuff for the people whose education stops at grade 5.
robert 14617
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made it through the holidays without offending my in laws who are catholic , they know i was raised baptist , so we never talk religion which is fine with me even more so now i am atheist
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PadawanBater
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I love talking religion!
What do you guys think about that bit by the way? Most of the atheists I come across are the same, they like talking about it. Most of the believers on the other hand, though there are a few, don't. Especially when you're talking to one of these people face to face, and especially again if they're right around the same age as you or younger because of the whole automatic appeal to authority. But everytime I start talking about it I find most people are agreeing with the things I'm saying, I try to make points about specific parts that make believers realize they really don't know their own religion that well. That's what I try to encourage people to do the most, above anything else, question the shit they claim to believe in. Don't believe what I have to say! Go research and read the bible for yourself, it's all in there, in black and white and it's even been translated in english for your benefit! You're reading the same bible I read...
What do you guys think about that bit by the way? Most of the atheists I come across are the same, they like talking about it. Most of the believers on the other hand, though there are a few, don't. Especially when you're talking to one of these people face to face, and especially again if they're right around the same age as you or younger because of the whole automatic appeal to authority. But everytime I start talking about it I find most people are agreeing with the things I'm saying, I try to make points about specific parts that make believers realize they really don't know their own religion that well. That's what I try to encourage people to do the most, above anything else, question the shit they claim to believe in. Don't believe what I have to say! Go research and read the bible for yourself, it's all in there, in black and white and it's even been translated in english for your benefit! You're reading the same bible I read...
doc111
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This is what I said...............What country is an atheist going to be getting death threats? Besides the obvious middle eastern countries. Some people are very small minded, religious and atheist. Getting rid of religion isn't going to stop ignorance.
This is what you said................
Now if I'm correct you are Implying that the U.S., especiall the south, is some jerkwater bunch of relilgious hicks waiting to lynch atheists and anybody else they don't agree with. I know I'm putting words in your mouth but what implication were you attempting to make? And you want to show me some examples of threats against atheists. We also have pedophiles, rapists, and serial killers here in the U.S. but to characterize the U.S. as a bunch of crazed psychos running around raping children and cutting heads off would be a bit of hyperbole don't ya think?
doc111
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This is an area where you and I agree. To blindly accept anything as fact is foolish. I think religion needs to be questioned. So do peoples faith. One time I asked my grandmother, who is a devout methodist, why she believed in god? She snapped back at me in the most condescending tone imagineable, "Don't question my faith!" And this from someone I admire and look up to. From that point on I knew that organized religion wasn't for me. I think that questioning things helps one better understand and perhaps even helps to keep people and organizations honest. Which I hope is something most legit organizations and governments should be striving for.
robert 14617
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this is where i split, to preach or subject others to your beliefs is fucked up , you are becoming driven to recruit instead of just enlightened JMO....rob
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PadawanBater
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lol, of course man, but look at the data.Now if I'm correct you are Implying that the U.S., especiall the south, is some jerkwater bunch of relilgious hicks waiting to lynch atheists and anybody else they don't agree with. I know I'm putting words in your mouth but what implication were you attempting to make? And you want to show me some examples of threats against atheists. We also have pedophiles, rapists, and serial killers here in the U.S. but to characterize the U.S. as a bunch of crazed psychos running around raping children and cutting heads off would be a bit of hyperbole don't ya think?
The south is obviously much more religious, with the exception of the Mormons in Utah.
I don't think morgen was saying THE ENTIRE SOUTH is out to lynch atheists. He was just saying that in that part of the country, you have a lot more religious nuts than in other parts of the country. It's just an observation. They don't call it the "bible belt" for no reason right?
doc111
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Obviously the south is more religious. I'm taking him to task on a generalization he made about the U.S. and especially the south. I just feel it's important to try and temper our statements with fact and play devil's advocate. Seeing the other side of the coin is something not everyone does well which is probably why we are so void of empathy.lol, of course man, but look at the data.
The south is obviously much more religious, with the exception of the Mormons in Utah.
I don't think morgen was saying THE ENTIRE SOUTH is out to lynch atheists. He was just saying that in that part of the country, you have a lot more religious nuts than in other parts of the country. It's just an observation. They don't call it the "bible belt" for no reason right?
CrackerJax
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Look at that crazy Utah out there all alone in red ... 
and the correct religion is?! ... Mormons, ... that's right, Mormons... (south park classic)
and the correct religion is?! ... Mormons, ... that's right, Mormons... (south park classic)
doc111
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Get a few "bears" in me and the only thing I'm bashing is my way out of the woods!I also love to talk about it. Get a few bears in me and i can't help but bash religion
doc111
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I think they like to be called "Latterday Saints".Look at that crazy Utah out there all alone in red ...
and the correct religion is?! ... Mormons, ... that's right, Mormons... (south park classic)
robert 14617
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tiger woods that is
doc111
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Bwahaha!!!!! That was great man!
CrackerJax
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Then U'd be BARE.
robert 14617
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dividing up your assets