Balls to the Wall grow, Riddleme Gets Serious

cowboylogic

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Is it just the CMH or are you also paying attention to Riddles advice on light height/position? Gotta remember. No such thing as 'Fairy Dust' when growing.
 

gumball

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Is it just the CMH or are you also paying attention to Riddles advice on light height/position? Gotta remember. No such thing as 'Fairy Dust' when growing.
It could be! Mine are about 4 inches from light. This is my first HID grow to start with, so I don't know what to expect... I like it so far!
 

riddleme

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Yeah there is no doubt CMH is the bomb, like I've been saying, mine are 3 days old and all showing 2nd node space is just 1/8 inch (or less) but they are still just babies, all of them have sugar already, they love the UV, but I can see positive new growth everyday.

something else I have noticed is the light warms the floor, I go down there barefoot and the concrete floor is cold (as you would expect) until I get over by the plants where the lights shines on the floor it is warm, which I find wierd cause it is over 5 feet off the floor???
 

riddleme

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We are off and running

have not planted #4 yet as I like to wait till the stem is almost 2 inches, I then plant 1 inch of it in the soil. So I'm thinking we'll be there tomorrow
 

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Danielsgb

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Is it just the CMH or are you also paying attention to Riddles advice on light height/position? Gotta remember. No such thing as 'Fairy Dust' when growing.
Well, I had a MH on my Veg table, then put my HPS in while waiting for the CMH bulb to check temps. I follw most of Riddleme's advice in general. The only thing I've changed with the CMH is every third watering they get Pro-teKt, and I had to move the bulb higher. There is definitely no 'Fairy Dust'. But that said, the growth on my 6 plants on the Veg table is noticeably increased. I'm still learning, and am a couple days from my first harvest in many years, but this bulb makes me have even higher hopes for coming crops.
Daniels
 

Old Goat

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Well, I had a MH on my Veg table, then put my HPS in while waiting for the CMH bulb to check temps. I follw most of Riddleme's advice in general. The only thing I've changed with the CMH is every third watering they get Pro-teKt, and I had to move the bulb higher. There is definitely no 'Fairy Dust'. But that said, the growth on my 6 plants on the Veg table is noticeably increased. I'm still learning, and am a couple days from my first harvest in many years, but this bulb makes me have even higher hopes for coming crops.
Daniels
In my reading it sounds as though you've had to raise your light due to heat? I'll have to do a rerun on your new journal. But with my 400W my plants grow to within mear inches of the light. I will say I've made use of air movement. My space is 48 cu. ft.my room in never more than 7 degrees from the outer run. I have four fans inside 4" from Wally World. I'd suggest if you have room or a way put a small fan at the reflector and blow that cool air. That's what's gotten me thru.
 

Old Goat

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Yeah there is no doubt CMH is the bomb, like I've been saying, mine are 3 days old and all showing 2nd node space is just 1/8 inch (or less) but they are still just babies, all of them have sugar already, they love the UV, but I can see positive new growth everyday.

something else I have noticed is the light warms the floor, I go down there barefoot and the concrete floor is cold (as you would expect) until I get over by the plants where the lights shines on the floor it is warm, which I find wierd cause it is over 5 feet off the floor???
I'm following your journals like a little puppy but I don't pee on the floor. Well at my age I may be and just don't know it.
Great Idea!! I've had this one running around my head sense the early 70's. One thing and it's the issue that stumped me and that is how to figure the rotation of the earth on it's axis to the sun. As we do it now we think our best grows come from "High Noon" but that's not all of nature. I think of how big inner growth might increase our take if we just figured in the rotation? Showering light from the side to the plants?? It may not be more weight but just (hopefully) maybe quality. I Know you're trying to mimic nature and I praise you for your work and followers. I learn too much
 

riddleme

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They are all in dirt now, once the 2nd node has fully grown out I will give em thier first rain (and this is for the newbies) until then I water in a circle around the plant to encourage root development knowing that once the 2nd node has grown out that there is a good start on the root system
 

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gumball

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They are all in dirt now, once the 2nd node has fully grown out I will give em thier first rain (and this is for the newbies) until then I water in a circle around the plant to encourage root development knowing that once the 2nd node has grown out that there is a good start on the root system
when you make it rain, you give about 3 times the pot size with plain water, right? but how much water & nutes do you use? Just enough to see run off then stop, or more? a question i have wanted to ask and kept forgetting.
 

bigv1976

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I am amazed that you mentioned watering a cicle around your plants to promote root growth. I have never read that but I do it too!!!!
 

riddleme

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when you make it rain, you give about 3 times the pot size with plain water, right? but how much water & nutes do you use? Just enough to see run off then stop, or more? a question i have wanted to ask and kept forgetting.
2 to 3 times to make it rain then nutes till minor runoff is correct
 

gumball

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2 to 3 times to make it rain then nutes till minor runoff is correct
Thank you Riddleme! But what did you mean by the runoff being correct? Are you looking for ph, color? I have always done the 2-3 times to make it rain, but only use about the same water as pot size for nutes. I don't check runoff for ph, and its always slight brown in color. Kinda like a nasty lookin beer!
 

gumball

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babies got thier first rain this morning, expect a growth spurt now, we will see?
Can't wait Riddleme, this is where things start to get interesting!!

Hey, I was reading where a fellow did a grow with 250 HPS, and 250 CMH, just for flower I think. Said he pulled bout 20% more from the HPS grow. I will hit him up with some questions for specifics, though I thought this would interest you.
 
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