Bob Barr for president

medicineman

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"Those who give up liberty for security have neither."

"There are none so enslaved as those who think they are free when they are not."

Vi
Oh please, quit with the bullshit rhetoric. Try and think for yourself for a change. "Give me liberty or give me death" There's one for ya, since you claim to have no liberty, why don't you take the other option, Just a pleasant thought.
 

ViRedd

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Oh please, quit with the bullshit rhetoric. Try and think for yourself for a change. "Give me liberty or give me death" There's one for ya, since you claim to have no liberty, why don't you take the other option, Just a pleasant thought.
Med ... with all due respect, you are a freakin' idiot. You carry the banner of fascism/socialism, repeating over and over the old slogans of past failed political systems, then have the balls to call what I write here on the forum "bullshit rhetoric?

You are quite the joke.

Vi
 

undertheice

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~lol~ Med is the offspring result of a male cumming on the outstroke.
isn't that pretty much the same as saying that the best of him ran down his daddy's leg?:mrgreen:

sorry folks, i just couldn't help myself this morning.
 
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medicineman

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I see the three stooges have come together on an opinion, albeit an ignorant one. You are acting like three year olds, come to think of it, maybe that's where your mentality lies, what's up Dave, still want to knock my cum stained teeth down my throat? You are one sick puppy and your wife, well now, there's a real prize, I wouldn't fuck her with your dick, well you probably don't fuck her much if at all either, or otherwise she wouldn't be such a bitch, eh, What's that you say, you want to knock my cum stained teeth down my throat, come get some asshole. I've documented my fear. You know in Nv., all you have to prove is you feared for your life, guess what, your demented mind scares the hell out of me. There is no telling what to expect from someone as violent as you with access to IP addresses. If you showed up at my house, I'd be certain to fear for my life, bang bang. As for you other two, fuck you also. Play nice and get nice, otherwise fuck you.
 

Parker

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What, and have my social security taken away, You've smoked "one toke over the line, sweet Jesus".
Hi Med,

Here is what Ron Paul proposes. Too many people believe he wants to completely do away with SS. He wants people to be able to opt out and use other plans if they want to.

Imposing any tax on Social Security benefits is unfair and illogical. In Congress, I have introduced the Senior Citizens Tax Elimination Act (H.R. 191), which repeals ALL taxes on Social Security benefits, to eliminate political theft of our seniors’ income and raise their standard of living.
Solvency is the key to keeping our promise to our seniors, and I have introduced the Social Security Preservation Act (H.R. 219) to ensure that money paid into the system is only used for Social Security.

It is fundamentally unfair to give benefits to anyone who has not paid into the system. The Social Security for Americans Only Act (H.R. 190) ends the drain on Social Security caused by illegal aliens seeking the fruits of your labor.

We must also address the desire of younger workers to save and invest on their own. We should cut payroll taxes and give workers the opportunity to seek better returns in the private market.
 

medicineman

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Hi Med,

Here is what Ron Paul proposes. Too many people believe he wants to completely do away with SS. He wants people to be able to opt out and use other plans if they want to.

Imposing any tax on Social Security benefits is unfair and illogical. In Congress, I have introduced the Senior Citizens Tax Elimination Act (H.R. 191), which repeals ALL taxes on Social Security benefits, to eliminate political theft of our seniors’ income and raise their standard of living.
Solvency is the key to keeping our promise to our seniors, and I have introduced the Social Security Preservation Act (H.R. 219) to ensure that money paid into the system is only used for Social Security.

It is fundamentally unfair to give benefits to anyone who has not paid into the system. The Social Security for Americans Only Act (H.R. 190) ends the drain on Social Security caused by illegal aliens seeking the fruits of your labor.

We must also address the desire of younger workers to save and invest on their own. We should cut payroll taxes and give workers the opportunity to seek better returns in the private market.
The problem as I see it is thus: The SS security fund has been raided by congress to add to the general fund for years to make the debt look smaller, some political subterfuge. Had the SS fund been left unmolested, there would be enough money there for our grandchildrens grandchildren. The system would work fine if left alone by those criminals in congress. Now, since that is not the case, we need the revenue from the workers to pay for the retirees. To give youngsters a choice would be fine with me as long as the government agreed to keep those checks coming for the people that payed all their life and are relying on SS for retirement. The wolf in the henhouse over the SS debate is and always has been those congressional thieves.
 

GrowItGreen

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I just want to say that it makes me proud to see so much hate on a thread that I started (even if it is mostly off topic hate), its like raising a child to that later becomes a famous serial killer. It brings a tear to my eye.:clap:
 

Johnnyorganic

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The problem as I see it is thus: The SS security fund has been raided by congress to add to the general fund for years to make the debt look smaller, some political subterfuge. Had the SS fund been left unmolested, there would be enough money there for our grandchildrens grandchildren. The system would work fine if left alone by those criminals in congress. Now, since that is not the case, we need the revenue from the workers to pay for the retirees. To give youngsters a choice would be fine with me as long as the government agreed to keep those checks coming for the people that payed all their life and are relying on SS for retirement. The wolf in the henhouse over the SS debate is and always has been those congressional thieves.
Correct. The SS fund was first raided to pay for the war in Viet Nam without raising taxes. At that point, SS became a Ponzi scheme. Both parties are responsible. Ultimately all Americans are responsible because we let them get away with it.

My objection to the Democratic approach is they are unwilling to consider any reform.

Denial will only end up in the bankruptcy of the SS system.
 

ViRedd

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And yet, this is the very same government that Med would trust with our medical care. Go figure. :roll:

Vi
 

undertheice

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And yet, this is the very same government that Med would trust with our medical care.
in the minds of those devoted to liberal dogma there seems to be two different governments. the one that has been robbing us blind and attempting to enslave us for longer than most of us can remember and that perfect government that will see to our every need, handing out ice cream and lollipops to everyone, as soon as it is set in place. where these ideal liberators are coming from i'm not sure, but if you believe it they will come.
 

medicineman

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in the minds of those devoted to liberal dogma there seems to be two different governments. the one that has been robbing us blind and attempting to enslave us for longer than most of us can remember and that perfect government that will see to our every need, handing out ice cream and lollipops to everyone, as soon as it is set in place. where these ideal liberators are coming from i'm not sure, but if you believe it they will come.
Not so fast under, My idea of government controlled medical would be a hell of a lot cheaper and include all citizens. By eliminating profit from medical, (you know, those multimillion dollar salaries and bonuses for cutting medical care going to CEOs, and those ever rising stock prices of HMOs) Hey no system is perfect but if we looked at all the systems from all the other first world countries and took the best from each, I'm pretty sure we could come up with a much better system than we have now. I suppose if you are wealthy and have great medical care, then this might not be your cup of tea, but the thing is, there are more of us than them, it is time to speak up for medical for all, No profit medical. Profit=medical is an oxymoron.
 

ViRedd

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Right, Med. Let's nationalize the health care system so it will match your idea of nationalizing the oil industry. After that, what the hell, let's nationalize the trucking and airline industry. Can't have all those fat-cat CEOs making all that money, now can we? Just think Comrade ... if we nationalize enough of our private industry, we can look just like Cuba and Venezuela.



Viva la Revolution!
 
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medicineman

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Right, Med. Let's nationalize the health care system so it will match your idea of nationalizing the oil industry. After that, what the hell, let's nationalize the trucking and airline industry. Can't have all those fat-cat CEOs making all that money, now can we. Just think ... if we nationalize enough of our private industry, we can look just like Cuba and Venezuela.

Viva la Revolution!
Price of gas in Venezuela, 12 cents a gallon, what's not to like about that?
 
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