bodhi seeds

TonightYou

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Looking beautiful tonight, thanks for posting those pics!!
So what is Jacks fertilizer is that organic?
No its not organic. I don't believe in the difference to be honest with you. Have a good medium, a clean environment, and provide the plants what they need when they need it, watch your plants flourish. Jack's is a very inexpensive fertilizer, only things missing (in original) is magnesium, and calcium.

Wait till the other lady comes down! She is a stunner
 

kona gold

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No its not organic. I don't believe in the difference to be honest with you. Have a good medium, a clean environment, and provide the plants what they need when they need it, watch your plants flourish. Jack's is a very inexpensive fertilizer, only things missing (in original) is magnesium, and calcium.

Wait till the other lady comes down! She is a stunner
She looks nice from the other pics. I know many people on here believe the same as you, and it's cool. I'm not an uptight prick. I am smoking some well grown chemical weed right now. The biggest difference is, it's harder to dial in organics for those 10 + week strains. In smoking, the chem buds are beautiful, and taste very good in the beginning, but no matter how well grown with chemicals, there is an effect that happens time and time again....it is that when you smoke a lot and have sensitivity or allergies, or are sick with disease, that smoke will eventually turn harsh, and the high fades. I have had some righteous chem grown bud, but if I buy an ounce, half way through it looses a lot of its flavor and potency. But most people who buy will not notice this, cause they are just stoked to get some chronic, and most likely don't grow themselves. I used to use chemicals back in the day. The best results were from Eco Labs. Their eco grow n bloom are very organic based chemicals, and some undissolved materials settle to bottom. So I don't recommend this for hydro, ans especially not for drip emitters, but for hand watering it can't be beat. Again, awesome pics, thanks for the eye candy, as since i'm in between grows, this is keeping me stoked!!! Mahalo
 

TonightYou

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She looks nice from the other pics. I know many people on here believe the same as you, and it's cool. I'm not an uptight prick. I am smoking some well grown chemical weed right now. The biggest difference is, it's harder to dial in organics for those 10 + week strains. In smoking, the chem buds are beautiful, and taste very good in the beginning, but no matter how well grown with chemicals, there is an effect that happens time and time again....it is that when you smoke a lot and have sensitivity or allergies, or are sick with disease, that smoke will eventually turn harsh, and the high fades. I have had some righteous chem grown bud, but if I buy an ounce, half way through it looses a lot of its flavor and potency. But most people who buy will not notice this, cause they are just stoked to get some chronic, and most likely don't grow themselves. I used to use chemicals back in the day. The best results were from Eco Labs. Their eco grow n bloom are very organic based chemicals, and some undissolved materials settle to bottom. So I don't recommend this for hydro, ans especially not for drip emitters, but for hand watering it can't be beat. Again, awesome pics, thanks for the eye candy, as since i'm in between grows, this is keeping me stoked!!! Mahalo
I love organic gardening. Don't get me wrong. When I had my outdoor plot, I composted yearly, tilled the new in with the old, and rarely had a problem. As long as things are locally sourced, and work, go for it. I'm not a fan of petroleum based fertilizer, but without it, we wouldn't be able to sustain our world population. Plus I do laugh a bit when organic people are ordering bat shit from halfway around the world, not realizing the carbon footprint print associated (and in some areas, contributing to poor working conditions/exploitation) with these products.

I'm not a prick about it either. Trust me, if I were outdoor, I'd be growing organic, using locally sourced products as well as making my own. Now petroleum based fertilizers contribute to a lot of problems themselves. For one, they are oil based, two runoff into our streams by irresponsible people. Now the benefit from using chemical fertilizer is, consistent application and composition, ability to quickly apply in easily up taken forms, the diversity of products, being close to complete with all the major micro and macro nutrient needs for a plant, and really predictability.

I'd argue you couldn't tell the difference from properly grown organic and chemical fertilizer. More times than not (not saying you) people attributes chemicals for causing a harsh taste and odd burning. That is primarily contributed by an improper cure and dry. Certain build up can occur in the actual plant, but one would have to be nuking the plant with fertilizer, regardless of source.

From a biological stand point, and understanding the process, plants don't care where the nutrients come from (source) as long as they are getting what they desire.

thanks for the nice civil conversation on this topic and the complement.

eta I've never grown outdoors personally, I meant I had a rocking veggie and fruit garden which I tremendous miss.
 

Amos Otis

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no matter how well grown with chemicals, there is an effect that happens time and time again....it is that when you smoke a lot and have sensitivity or allergies, or are sick with disease, that smoke will eventually turn harsh, and the high fades. I have had some righteous chem grown bud, but if I buy an ounce, half way through it looses a lot of its flavor and potency.
Have never had that experience, and it's all DynaGro and Cal/Mag here. I smoke from 20 minutes out of bed until 2 minutes before bed - not constantly, of course, but I never get straight, ya know? Had friends come to town over the weekend, and we first hit some recently chopped Goji; nice buzz, very tasty. But after looking over the jars in the cupboard, they wanted to taste some of the Ripped Bubba that's been jarred up since Nov 2. He was blasted after 2 bong hits, and she was spazzin' big time: "Am I OD'ing???! "

So...I'm not sure I understand. :peace:
 

Amos Otis

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I love organic gardening. Don't get me wrong. When I had my outdoor plot, I composted yearly, tilled the new in with the old, and rarely had a problem. As long as things are locally sourced, and work, go for it. I'm not a fan of petroleum based fertilizer, but without it, we wouldn't be able to sustain our world population. Plus I do laugh a bit when organic people are ordering bat shit from halfway around the world, not realizing the carbon footprint print associated (and in some areas, contributing to poor working conditions/exploitation) with these products.

I'm not a prick about it either. Trust me, if I were outdoor, I'd be growing organic, using locally sourced products as well as making my own. Now petroleum based fertilizers contribute to a lot of problems themselves. For one, they are oil based, two runoff into our streams by irresponsible people. Now the benefit from using chemical fertilizer is, consistent application and composition, ability to quickly apply in easily up taken forms, the diversity of products, being close to complete with all the major micro and macro nutrient needs for a plant, and really predictability.

I'd argue you couldn't tell the difference from properly grown organic and chemical fertilizer. More times than not (not saying you) people attributes chemicals for causing a harsh taste and odd burning. That is primarily contributed by an improper cure and dry. Certain build up can occur in the actual plant, but one would have to be nuking the plant with fertilizer, regardless of source.

From a biological stand point, and understanding the process, plants don't care where the nutrients come from (source) as long as they are getting what they desire.

thanks for the nice civil conversation on this topic and the complement.

eta I've never grown outdoors personally, I meant I had a rocking veggie and fruit garden which I tremendous miss.

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TonightYou

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Have never had that experience, and it's all DynaGro and Cal/Mag here. I smoke from 20 minutes out of bed until 2 minutes before bed - not constantly, of course, but I never get straight, ya know? Had friends come to town over the weekend, and we first hit some recently chopped Goji; nice buzz, very tasty. But after looking over the jars in the cupboard, they wanted to taste some of the Ripped Bubba that's been jarred up since Nov 2. He was blasted after 2 bong hits, and she was spazzin' big time: "Am I OD'ing???! "

So...I'm not sure I understand. :peace:
Don't think I've seen any pics of your goji? Do you have some hombre?

I'm like you, minus being at work (pills for that, which ironically are more dangerous than my Mary Jane) like I am right now, I am pretty much medicated from sun up to sun down.

I actually get up twice so to speak, once to spark the chillum or joint, and about 20-30 minutes later actually get up. Makes my morning so much more comfortable and easy to get moving, reducing the feeling of stiffness and pain. Pretty much enjoy the afterglow by the time I arrive to the wage slave position I'm in. Can't wait for the day when I can just be comfortably medicated and it isn't thought twice about it.

People are always shocked that I'm a stoner, a label I don't find pejorative as my lifestyle defies the cartoonish popular culture references.
 

kona gold

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I love organic gardening. Don't get me wrong. When I had my outdoor plot, I composted yearly, tilled the new in with the old, and rarely had a problem. As long as things are locally sourced, and work, go for it. I'm not a fan of petroleum based fertilizer, but without it, we wouldn't be able to sustain our world population. Plus I do laugh a bit when organic people are ordering bat shit from halfway around the world, not realizing the carbon footprint print associated (and in some areas, contributing to poor working conditions/exploitation) with these products.

I'm not a prick about it either. Trust me, if I were outdoor, I'd be growing organic, using locally sourced products as well as making my own. Now petroleum based fertilizers contribute to a lot of problems themselves. For one, they are oil based, two runoff into our streams by irresponsible people. Now the benefit from using chemical fertilizer is, consistent application and composition, ability to quickly apply in easily up taken forms, the diversity of products, being close to complete with all the major micro and macro nutrient needs for a plant, and really predictability.

I'd argue you couldn't tell the difference from properly grown organic and chemical fertilizer. More times than not (not saying you) people attributes chemicals for causing a harsh taste and odd burning. That is primarily contributed by an improper cure and dry. Certain build up can occur in the actual plant, but one would have to be nuking the plant with fertilizer, regardless of source.

From a biological stand point, and understanding the process, plants don't care where the nutrients come from (source) as long as they are getting what they desire.

thanks for the nice civil conversation on this topic and the complement.

eta I've never grown outdoors personally, I meant I had a rocking veggie and fruit garden which I tremendous miss.
No worries...i'd rather my posture be about learning than judging, and I enjoy your posts n pics. I agree with what your saying, and have been guilty of the lazy organic practice of buying instead of composting and being a steward of the land. I, and some, tend to forget the collecting of these items in other, and third world countries use slave labor, child slave labor, over work shifts, pay then almost nothing, and tax the resources of their country for their own personal private greed.....! You can get harsh smoke from organic as well, if you add too much compost, especially if its still hot like roots, or fox farm ocean or happy frog even, too many additives, too much molasses, liquid ferts....you will get the same type of smoke. Although probably a hint bit healthier. But if you dial in your soil and have super lush green explosive growth, with no leaf tip burn at all, and just the slightest fade right at the end, and you give a nice dry with cure, the finished product will be better for the long run smoke, and healthier. But of course that's in a perfect world! Either way I like the way yours and Clankie's comes out, and would be stoked to pull fat one of your guys wears anytime.
 

Amos Otis

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Don't think I've seen any pics of your goji? Do you have some hombre?
I didn't take finished pics of them. They were in the room where the 2 gorgeous Lemon OG went tranny, so I figured they'd been raped, and lost some enthusiasm. As it turns out, have only found a few beans on the very bottom buds, and both phenos are smokingvery well. These are the last pics I took of them; they were still on the camera - I think this is around week 4, to the right of the Lemon OG restrained by some bamboo. The piney totem pole pheno [ the mom ] is on the left, and the berry tasting to the right.

goji 001.jpggoji 003.jpg
 

Amos Otis

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I'm like you, minus being at work (pills for that, which ironically are more dangerous than my Mary Jane) like I am right now, I am pretty much medicated from sun up to sun down.

I actually get up twice so to speak, once to spark the chillum or joint, and about 20-30 minutes later actually get up. Makes my morning so much more comfortable and easy to get moving, reducing the feeling of stiffness and pain. Pretty much enjoy the afterglow by the time I arrive to the wage slave position I'm in. Can't wait for the day when I can just be comfortably medicated and it isn't thought twice about it.

People are always shocked that I'm a stoner, a label I don't find pejorative as my lifestyle defies the cartoonish popular culture references.
I feel for you, amigo. It's a weird thing to say, but sometimes I feel fortunate to have had the work accident and hospital horror tale be serious enough to get me a nice settlement and early retirement - now that it's behind me. I wouldn't recommend the approach to healthy peeps, however. Have you looked into some sort of disability?

It's over 3 years since I've had to report to a job. That by itself is enough for a natural high - the only boss I ever had any respect for was myself - when I owned a tanning / gym accessories store.

Don't wish to sidetrack the thread, but I've sometimes thought it might be kinda cool to have a subthread of this thread: a "who are you" kind of 'what's your story' of the regular contributors here. [ but I guess mine is out of the way...:mrgreen: ]
 

TonightYou

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No worries...i'd rather my posture be about learning than judging, and I enjoy your posts n pics. I agree with what your saying, and have been guilty of the lazy organic practice of buying instead of composting and being a steward of the land. I, and some, tend to forget the collecting of these items in other, and third world countries use slave labor, child slave labor, over work shifts, pay then almost nothing, and tax the resources of their country for their own personal private greed.....! You can get harsh smoke from organic as well, if you add too much compost, especially if its still hot like roots, or fox farm ocean or happy frog even, too many additives, too much molasses, liquid ferts....you will get the same type of smoke. Although probably a hint bit healthier. But if you dial in your soil and have super lush green explosive growth, with no leaf tip burn at all, and just the slightest fade right at the end, and you give a nice dry with cure, the finished product will be better for the long run smoke, and healthier. But of course that's in a perfect world! Either way I like the way yours and Clankie's comes out, and would be stoked to pull fat one of your guys wears anytime.
Thank you for the complement. I try to contribute as I've taken so much from the community. Always learning what to do, or what not in many other instances.

I must disagree with your assessment of Happy Frog. I use it exclusively, cut with perlite. Out of all the bags, I've never encountered a "hot" bag. I've had issues with ocean forest being too hot and introducing gnats, while simple to eradicate using neem, annoying. What I like about happy frog is the very low nutrient charge and the beneficial bacteria/fungi. Has yet to let me down minus my ignorance to the needed addition of calcium for some strains.
(live and learn, own the mistake and use the correct information to become a better gardener. I thank the folks who patiently corrected my ignorance)

My county has some composted soil I may try when they open in a few weeks. Very cheap and nutrient rich. Plus local! Will play with the ratios to see if it will work. I also will see if they have ran any analysis of they the makeup.
There are many paths to get to the same place.
I've played with molasses, fulvic acid, hummus, and silica. I've dropped the molasses for the time being as I didn't notice any results. Silica does seem to promote stronger stems. In my unscientific observation with clones, it seemed to make a noticeable difference.

I'm a firm believer in harvesting with healthy leaves, and having white roots... that's the goal at harvest. I don't starve my plants during the most critical time at the end, but I don't have any burnt tips either. Plus I don't buy any snake oil.
 

Amos Otis

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Thank you for the complement. I try to contribute as I've taken so much from the community. Always learning what to do, or what not in many other instances.

I must disagree with your assessment of Happy Frog. I use it exclusively, cut with perlite. Out of all the bags, I've never encountered a "hot" bag. I've had issues with ocean forest being too hot and introducing gnats, while simple to eradicate using neem, annoying. What I like about happy frog is the very low nutrient charge and the beneficial bacteria/fungi. Has yet to let me down minus my ignorance to the needed addition of calcium for some strains.
(live and learn, own the mistake and use the correct information to become a better gardener. I thank the folks who patiently corrected my ignorance)

My county has some composted soil I may try when they open in a few weeks. Very cheap and nutrient rich. Plus local! Will play with the ratios to see if it will work. I also will see if they have ran any analysis of they the makeup.
There are many paths to get to the same place.
I've played with molasses, fulvic acid, hummus, and silica. I've dropped the molasses for the time being as I didn't notice any results. Silica does seem to promote stronger stems. In my unscientific observation with clones, it seemed to make a noticeable difference.

I'm a firm believer in harvesting with healthy leaves, and having white roots... that's the goal at harvest. I don't starve my plants during the most critical time at the end, but I don't have any burnt tips either. Plus I don't buy any snake oil.
My very first indoor grow was done with 3 pots of Fox Farm, and 3 pots of Happy Frog. Within a month I had gnats frolicking all around mi casa. The plants never got to bloom: my g/f at the time was right....weed solves problems, it shouldn't create problems. They and the soil was trashed. Hello hydro ! :mrgreen:
 

TonightYou

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I feel for you, amigo. It's a weird thing to say, but sometimes I feel fortunate to have had the work accident and hospital horror tale be serious enough to get me a nice settlement and early retirement - now that it's behind me. I wouldn't recommend the approach to healthy peeps, however. Have you looked into some sort of disability?

It's over 3 years since I've had to report to a job. That by itself is enough for a natural high - the only boss I ever had any respect for was myself - when I owned a tanning / gym accessories store.

Don't wish to sidetrack the thread, but I've sometimes thought it might be kinda cool to have a subthread of this thread: a "who are you" kind of 'what's your story' of the regular contributors here. [ but I guess mine is out of the way...:mrgreen: ]
Ah I think this thread is full of great conversation and good people!

Beautiful plants, nice, green, and healthy!

I could go through the hoops, pay questionable doctors, and get on disability... but how would I reach the goals I have for myself? Seeing as I'm in a more intellectual, white collar job track, I want to work! Sounds weird, but I need the satisfaction of changing the world (lofty speech, but within my domain) for the better. Hopefully in twenty years I will be involved with NPOs. Not now though, not enough money to start out with holding a master's degree. So political, intergovernmental and policy work is much more rewarding, financially and self satisfactory.

I freelance on the side, could make it a sustainable business with in its own, but it's a derail from my real goals, and it's a hobby. I'd hate it as a full time earning post in life.

eta plus I have demon student loans. Man our system really does try to fuck you when you want to better yourself.
 

st0wandgrow

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My very first indoor grow was done with 3 pots of Fox Farm, and 3 pots of Happy Frog. Within a month I had gnats frolicking all around mi casa. The plants never got to bloom: my g/f at the time was right....weed solves problems, it shouldn't create problems. They and the soil was trashed. Hello hydro ! :mrgreen:
BTI dunks (home depot) and sticky traps will clear that up within a week if you ever decide to try your hand at organics again.
 

Amos Otis

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BTI dunks (home depot) and sticky traps will clear that up within a week if you ever decide to try your hand at organics again.
I appreciate that, but I doubt I ever go back. I hate insects - all insects. They ruin the outdoors...sure won't let 'em bother me in here. :) - In 3 yrs of running DWC, I've had one case of spider mites. They rode a clone from a Jillybean I'd put outside in soil to show gender. That will never happen again !
 

TonightYou

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I appreciate that, but I doubt I ever go back. I hate insects - all insects. They ruin the outdoors...sure won't let 'em bother me in here. :) - In 3 yrs of running DWC, I've had one case of spider mites. They rode a clone from a Jillybean I'd put outside in soil to show gender. That will never happen again !
hope you never have the dreaded borg, aka broad mites. Makes spider mites seem like a walk In the fucking park! Spider mites I could rid of easily using non pesticides. Broad mites requires going nuclear with avid.
 

st0wandgrow

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I appreciate that, but I doubt I ever go back. I hate insects - all insects. They ruin the outdoors...sure won't let 'em bother me in here. :) - In 3 yrs of running DWC, I've had one case of spider mites. They rode a clone from a Jillybean I'd put outside in soil to show gender. That will never happen again !
I hate insects too. I'm that guy swatting at bees (and then running) all of the time. I've spent hours at a time obsessed with hunting a stray fly that got in to the house (weed has it's drawbacks). Being that I hate them so much, I spend a lot of time figuring out how to rid them from my garden/house. I guess that's the upside to this phobia?
 

RedCarpetMatches

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I second the BTI dunks. Hate those fuckers too. I have many bugs in my soil. They don't touch the plants.

Anyone here run Snow Queen or Love Triangle? Very anxious for these!!! Wish I could share ;)
 

Amos Otis

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hope you never have the dreaded borg, aka broad mites. Makes spider mites seem like a walk In the fucking park! Spider mites I could rid of easily using non pesticides. Broad mites requires going nuclear with avid.
I didn't fkkk around - I went nuclear. Sacrificed everything. Nearly killed myself during the kill and sanitizing. Had enough smoke in jars to tide me over, and I know it was overkill, but I hate insects.
 

Amos Otis

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I hate insects too. I'm that guy swatting at bees (and then running) all of the time. I've spent hours at a time obsessed with hunting a stray fly that got in to the house (weed has it's drawbacks). Being that I hate them so much, I spend a lot of time figuring out how to rid them from my garden/house. I guess that's the upside to this phobia?

LOL !! We need to check family histories !
 
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