CannaBoss
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THANK YOU!
Bush Isn't Spying on al Qaeda ... He's Spying on You
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420worshipper
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I'm not going to comment either way about #1. I do know people who both live there, and are soldiers there.
2. Impeach Bush-Cheney
By the time the investigation was concluded, there would be a new administration. And I'm sure you don't want hundreds of millions of tax dollars wasted for nothing do you. Before the Senate could have any impeachment hearings, Congress and the Attorney General would have to get an outside Independent Counsel to investigate. By the time both agreed a new president would be in office.
3. End lobbiests
Doubt many Democrats would go along with this one. Most all of them depend on the money also. I know you hear some from both sides wanting to end it. But have you ever seen any type of vote on it at all?
4. Demand paper trails for voting machines
And if that happened and Republicans still won elections? Would people claim that they rigged the paper coming off voting machines. Next people will want to go door to door and count votes that way. Since most voting machines have an O.S. why not use mysql and keep a central database.
5. End electoral college
To do this you would have to do away with the Constitution. Since it is part of the document that Jefferson wrote himself, I doubt Congress would go along with that.
6. Enact universal health care-(Not for profit)
Med, I read in another article that you are getting SS. So I would presume that you also get Medicare. That is close to what your Not For Profit Universal Health Care would be like. Did you know that all HMO's based their companies off the way that Medicare conducts business. And you can't blame Bush for the way its run either. He enacted Prescription Drug coverage for a lot of medications people on Medicare need/use on a daily basis.
The list is endless, but this a start. A politician with this as a platform would get my vote
A Politician that wants to do away with the Electorial College would be one that would really throw the Constitution out the window. And you claim that Bush does that. So, what do you think that politician would do with the Constitution? To get rid of the Electorial College would mean you would either have to do away with the document that started this country. Or, you would have to give it a massive re-write. And who would be doing the re-writes? Should there be a person in place to change the Constitution whenever it doesn't suit somebody? If this is the case, then kiss your Civil Rights goodbye. And say hello to a truly fascist state.
You know what I find the most interesting? It's that the baby boomer generation of the '60s who chanted Free Love, Give Peace A Chance, Make Love Not War, and Legalize Drugs. Are the same people that are running the country. Bill Clinton and John Kerry both were in Moscow attending an end the Vietnam War protest. I guarantee Kerry smoked as much a Clinton did back then. I'll bet the were snorting lines with Bush at some Spring Break weekend.
What I find the funniest from people that I know. The ones that complain the most about the political process, are the ones that don't take part. They just parrot most of what they hear some news reporter say the night before and that is their stance on the issues. But when you ask them do they vote, all say they don't vote because their vote doesn't count anyway. If asked why not get involved and change things for the better, their response is that I don't have time. Like my grandfather told me, don't complain about something if you don't want to help fix the problem.
2. Impeach Bush-Cheney
By the time the investigation was concluded, there would be a new administration. And I'm sure you don't want hundreds of millions of tax dollars wasted for nothing do you. Before the Senate could have any impeachment hearings, Congress and the Attorney General would have to get an outside Independent Counsel to investigate. By the time both agreed a new president would be in office.
3. End lobbiests
Doubt many Democrats would go along with this one. Most all of them depend on the money also. I know you hear some from both sides wanting to end it. But have you ever seen any type of vote on it at all?
4. Demand paper trails for voting machines
And if that happened and Republicans still won elections? Would people claim that they rigged the paper coming off voting machines. Next people will want to go door to door and count votes that way. Since most voting machines have an O.S. why not use mysql and keep a central database.
5. End electoral college
To do this you would have to do away with the Constitution. Since it is part of the document that Jefferson wrote himself, I doubt Congress would go along with that.
6. Enact universal health care-(Not for profit)
Med, I read in another article that you are getting SS. So I would presume that you also get Medicare. That is close to what your Not For Profit Universal Health Care would be like. Did you know that all HMO's based their companies off the way that Medicare conducts business. And you can't blame Bush for the way its run either. He enacted Prescription Drug coverage for a lot of medications people on Medicare need/use on a daily basis.
The list is endless, but this a start. A politician with this as a platform would get my vote
A Politician that wants to do away with the Electorial College would be one that would really throw the Constitution out the window. And you claim that Bush does that. So, what do you think that politician would do with the Constitution? To get rid of the Electorial College would mean you would either have to do away with the document that started this country. Or, you would have to give it a massive re-write. And who would be doing the re-writes? Should there be a person in place to change the Constitution whenever it doesn't suit somebody? If this is the case, then kiss your Civil Rights goodbye. And say hello to a truly fascist state.
You know what I find the most interesting? It's that the baby boomer generation of the '60s who chanted Free Love, Give Peace A Chance, Make Love Not War, and Legalize Drugs. Are the same people that are running the country. Bill Clinton and John Kerry both were in Moscow attending an end the Vietnam War protest. I guarantee Kerry smoked as much a Clinton did back then. I'll bet the were snorting lines with Bush at some Spring Break weekend.
What I find the funniest from people that I know. The ones that complain the most about the political process, are the ones that don't take part. They just parrot most of what they hear some news reporter say the night before and that is their stance on the issues. But when you ask them do they vote, all say they don't vote because their vote doesn't count anyway. If asked why not get involved and change things for the better, their response is that I don't have time. Like my grandfather told me, don't complain about something if you don't want to help fix the problem.
medicineman
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BTW I vote and take the time to write my congressmen. If there were to be an antiwar protest in my community I would certainly attend.
420worshipper
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After Clinton got away with lying to a Federal Grand Jury? And by the time they started the Impeachment hearings his term in office would be up. You probably don't know what an impeachment entails.
Impeachment
Impeachment, in the U.S. and Great Britain, proceeding by a legislature for the removal from office of a public official charged with misconduct in office. Impeachment comprises both the act of formulating the accusation and the resulting trial of the charges; it is frequently but erroneously taken to mean only the removal from office of an accused public official. An impeachment trial may result in either an acquittal or in a verdict of guilty. In the latter case the impeached official is removed from office; if the charges warrant such action, the official is also remanded to the proper authorities for trial before a court.
The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
1. A member of the House of Representatives must make a formal accusation
of Impeachment and list all charges and facts to those charges. And it
can't be any type of articles from news reporters. And all of the facts have
to be verified by the F.B.I. This could take 1-2 years to track down and
verify everything as factual evidence.
2. Once that is done, The entire House of Representatives must vote on it.
In other words, there has to be a 2/3 majority for it to be sent to the
Senate for a trial.
3. If 2/3 majority, then the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court will have to
clear his schedule. Since the Vice-President, nor any other person in the
immediate succession of the President can preside over such an event.
Presidential Succession
Vice President Dick Cheney
Senate President Pro-Tempore Nancy Pelosi
Speaker of The House of Representatives Ted Stevens
Secretary of State Condolezza Rice
Secretary of the Treasury Henry Paulson
Secretary of Defense Robert Gates
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
Secretary of the Interior Dirk Kempthorne
Secretary of Agriculture Mike Johanns
Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez2
Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao3
Secretary of Health and Human Services Mike Leavitt
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson
Secretary of Transportation Mary E. Peters
Secretary of Energy Samuel Bodman
Secretary of Education Margaret Spellings
Secretary of Veterans Affairs Jim Nicholson
Secretary of Homeland Security4 Michael Chertoff
And to impeach Cheney you will then have to start the entire process over again and get new evidence. Because you couldn't use any evidence for the Impeachment of Bush for him. Unless you could prove that he was complicit during any or all of it. In other words, he has to be in room at the time.
To get rid of the Electorial College would mean you would either have to do away with the document that started this country. Or, you would have to give it a massive re-write. And who would be doing the re-writes? Should there be a person in place to change the Constitution whenever it doesn't suit somebody? If this is the case, then kiss your Civil Rights goodbye. And say hello to a truly fascist state.
They have tried this for people that can't afford health care at all. Its called Medicaid, isn't it!?! The only problem with that is, its being given to people that have never paid into the system, mainly illegals and people who won't work even at fast food resturants. And because of the Democrats allowing illegals having access to it and Medicare they system is breaking down and not doing the proper job they both were created for.
I was talking about people I know personally that don't vote and get involved in the process. Since you have VA, I would presume that you are a Vietnam War vet. I hope by protests you don't mean anything like they use to do back then to soldiers. You know cuss them, spit on them, call them baby killers.
medicineman
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I was talking about people I know personally that don't vote and get involved in the process. Since you have VA, I would presume that you are a Vietnam War vet. I hope by protests you don't mean anything like they use to do back then to soldiers. You know cuss them, spit on them, call them baby killers. SEE, that's the mentality of the elites. when you protest the war you are protesting the soldiers. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm protesting this fucked up governments policies. Don't ever accuse me of protesting against the troops.
420worshipper
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I was just asking a question about the anti-war protests and not about you in particular. Because they use to have anti-war protests in the '60s and people would bad mouth soldiers.
Stoned Bhudda
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I live in Canada, but the crazy ideas are slowley creeping upwards...
I doesnt matter whos in power, the agenda is going ot be the same: MANIFEST DESTINY
They did it to Russia thoguh economics, and they are doing it to Canada. The history of the United States has been plauged with bush. Bush is very stupid. Bush is just a figure head. Its all a big cycle. They are goign to make you guys hate bush, so you will elect some guy who is just going to be worse than ever.
Remember: Every great civilization has fallen. The U.S. will fall particularly hard, and probibly break some bones on the way down.
The US is terrified of China. You have 1,000,000,000 chinese that want to live a western life style. They are doing it by burning coal. They make 99% of our products. If they stop, we starve. The US will do anyhting China says, to keep its own citizens happy.
The US has abosletley no culture. See the people they are figitng, alqeadia, the terrorists, osama, etc all have an incredibly stong bond that will keep them together. Religon. The US is trying to crash down the Muslims, trying to disband thier faith. All they have done is kicked the hornets nest. By them trying to destroy Muslimism, they are only making the faith stronger.
The US is defensless. it would be incrdibly easy for any seasoned fighitng force, IE TALIBAN to physiclay take to the US. The US has drivin into our heads that these people are so horrible, we are terrified of them. They would heard us inot killing pens, like people cull cattle. The Bush Admimstration knows that they cant win the war because, no offense, but the solders are bitch. A taliban man gets shot- What does he do? patch himself up, and reload his fuckin A-K. Us solider gets shot what happens? Hes on the news, hes on his way home, he has 30 doctors checking him to make sure hes fine. The US has the best technonlgy in the world and its usless. The solders hide behind technongy. The Taliabn know they are out numberd, and vastley out powerd. yet they fight. And they win.
I doesnt matter whos in power, the agenda is going ot be the same: MANIFEST DESTINY
They did it to Russia thoguh economics, and they are doing it to Canada. The history of the United States has been plauged with bush. Bush is very stupid. Bush is just a figure head. Its all a big cycle. They are goign to make you guys hate bush, so you will elect some guy who is just going to be worse than ever.
Remember: Every great civilization has fallen. The U.S. will fall particularly hard, and probibly break some bones on the way down.
The US is terrified of China. You have 1,000,000,000 chinese that want to live a western life style. They are doing it by burning coal. They make 99% of our products. If they stop, we starve. The US will do anyhting China says, to keep its own citizens happy.
The US has abosletley no culture. See the people they are figitng, alqeadia, the terrorists, osama, etc all have an incredibly stong bond that will keep them together. Religon. The US is trying to crash down the Muslims, trying to disband thier faith. All they have done is kicked the hornets nest. By them trying to destroy Muslimism, they are only making the faith stronger.
The US is defensless. it would be incrdibly easy for any seasoned fighitng force, IE TALIBAN to physiclay take to the US. The US has drivin into our heads that these people are so horrible, we are terrified of them. They would heard us inot killing pens, like people cull cattle. The Bush Admimstration knows that they cant win the war because, no offense, but the solders are bitch. A taliban man gets shot- What does he do? patch himself up, and reload his fuckin A-K. Us solider gets shot what happens? Hes on the news, hes on his way home, he has 30 doctors checking him to make sure hes fine. The US has the best technonlgy in the world and its usless. The solders hide behind technongy. The Taliabn know they are out numberd, and vastley out powerd. yet they fight. And they win.
medicineman
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The US is defensless. it would be incrdibly easy for any seasoned fighitng force, IE TALIBAN to physiclay take to the US. Wait, lest you forget, the citizens of the US are an armed citizenry, regardless of what the military did, the citizens that have any balls would be in the streets killing any Taliban that came knocking The US has drivin into our heads that these people are so horrible, we are terrified of them. They would heard us inot killing pens, like people cull cattle..Maybe in Canada, But not here.The Bush Admimstration knows that they cant win the war because, no offense, but the solders are bitch. A taliban man gets shot- What does he do? patch himself up, and reload his fuckin A-K. Us solider gets shot what happens? Hes on the news, hes on his way home, he has 30 doctors checking him to make sure hes fine. Aint it nice to know your country loves you The US has the best technonlgy in the world and its usless. The solders hide behind technongy. So who's the smartest, the soldier that wants to live or the one that doesn't care if he dies.The Taliabn know they are out numberd, and vastley out powerd. yet they fight. And they win. What have they won? The only thing I can see is they have gotten the best of the Bush Regime by goading him into a war in Iraq and causing death and destruction and causing the US to go Bankrupt, Maybe you're right, they are winning.
Stoned Bhudda
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They have goaded Bush to a ppoint where his own people dont like him, because he started the war, and they are losing. They are making a mockery out of the US by showing therest ofthe world that they cant win a war. Youd think itd be easy to take over a country like Iraq. The world now knows that the US is basically usless in a war. The problem is, the solders of the US fear for thierlives. They want to go home to thier familys and tier taco-bells, and thier big-screen tvs. The taliabn want victory. They dont care if they die. They fear not pain nor death. The taiban loathe the US, or rather the western ideaology, to an extent they are willing to die for the destruction of the Western World. Ask any one of the US solders - "Are you willing to die for this cause? What is the cause?" The Bush Admimstration is pulling another Vietnam. Only the taliban are the commuists.
I dont mean to offend anyone, and im only 17 with my limited views. Im just very frustrated with the whole idea of war, and that they way of life we cherish so much will inevidably be our downfall.
I dont mean to offend anyone, and im only 17 with my limited views. Im just very frustrated with the whole idea of war, and that they way of life we cherish so much will inevidably be our downfall.
420worshipper
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Like a U.S. General from World War 2 said...
"Don't die for your country. Make that poor S.O.B. die for his." It is a very good philosophy. But you could say it another way as well.
"Don't die for your cause. Make that poor S.O.B. die for his."
ViRedd
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If we were to pull out of Iraq today, as the looneys on the ultra left say they want us to do, the results would be:
1. al Queda would be handed a victory they didn't earn.
2. A bloodbath of unequaled proportions would ensue in Iraq.
3. Iran would take over Iraq.
4. Iran would control the Iraqi oil supply.
Is that what you guys deem as success?
The wet dream of the Democrat Whack-Jobs is that we LOSE in Iraq during Bush's term so they can point to that loss for political gain. You can bet if a DemoWack were president now, there would be no talk of an Iraqi loss. They would be talking of the successes and staying for the long haul. To the Left, its all about political gain, even to the point of causing the deaths of millions of Iraqis in the bloodbath that would follow a premature pullout.
Vi
1. al Queda would be handed a victory they didn't earn.
2. A bloodbath of unequaled proportions would ensue in Iraq.
3. Iran would take over Iraq.
4. Iran would control the Iraqi oil supply.
Is that what you guys deem as success?
The wet dream of the Democrat Whack-Jobs is that we LOSE in Iraq during Bush's term so they can point to that loss for political gain. You can bet if a DemoWack were president now, there would be no talk of an Iraqi loss. They would be talking of the successes and staying for the long haul. To the Left, its all about political gain, even to the point of causing the deaths of millions of Iraqis in the bloodbath that would follow a premature pullout.
Vi
medicineman
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Thats exactly why I think you must be retarded. You have right wing think so emblasoned in your brain that you cant see the proverbial forest for the trees. There is already a bloodbath going on in Iraq. If we leave, the Iraqis will have to step up and throw out Al Queda. Maybe that would unite Iraq. Iraqis don't want to share the oil revenues with Iran, rediculous. As for the government turning into a muslim based govt. what the hell did you expect, Jeffersonian Democracy. You are fucking crazy. IMHO, success would be to have never gone, or what Al Gore would have done!
Dankdude
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Then I feel sorry for you. You don't seem to realize, it doesn't matter what we do, Syria, Iran (China will back Iran) and Turkey will take back the lands that the British took from them regardless if we are in the way or not... We will be overwhelmed by sheer numbers if we do not get our troops out of the way. Bush fucked up, Now Iran is developing a Nuclear weapon and we are in the way for it to be stopped. With Israel owning the 251 nukes they do, Israel would take out the enrichment plants... But your too dumb to see the big picture.
First let me say that I have always voted dem and voted for Gore, I see myself as just to the left of center though I see dems as far more stupid than the repubs and the repubs a bit more evil than the dems.
That said VI understands the world/US a hell of a lot better than you do med.
The problem with you is your conspiracy minded and make a good paradigm for garbage in garbage out.
You say there is a bloodbath going on in Iraq and yet Sadam while under UN sanctions was starving more children to death per month than are being killed now, this was being facilatated and was the job of 2 thirds of the UN staff.[ I could say a hell of a lot more on this and you would understand the cause of the war and some how other things brought us to where we are with Iraq.
You med started a conspiracy thread on how the US gov was the cause of 911 and brought down the WTC, do you understand just how much the US lost from this act? I doubt you have a vague of an idea just how much business was lost forever by the US from this act. Than you started a thread on how business and the US gov were in collusion, not that I disagreed with most of the cut and paste, but you clearly didn't understand the post past the basic premise.....
Anyone who thinks a carburetor could get 100% efficency, doesn't even understand how it works are what it does. Why do you think fuel injection is used?
I see your starting of threads as clouding reather than illuminating.
As I said garbage in garbage out, For your own good you shouldn't be taking it in, and for the good of others you should stop spewing it out. You should show more respect
for yourself and others.
midgradeindasouth
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Rusty Shackleford.
Yep
Yep