bushmaster vs bud blood power

Silicity

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your basing your information off of personal opinion and not facts, avid? thats a pesticide meant to kill shit, why would it be any different for a human? i posted actual facts that are backed by studies and trials, not a post relating a pesticide death to a pgr, also theres 100s of thousands of chemicals that ingested in little amounts are very detrimental to your health, chlormequat chloride has one related death in which the person had dranken cycocel straight and in a large amount, he was also 59... now because someone decides to stir up shit about pgrs causing cancer its instantly the enemy when we can easily take a look at many other products that will kill you and they arent ranted about constantly, please do some research on the chemical itself and then get back to me, ive done enough research and learning to let an avid death stray me away.

i am not trying to defend the case of it not actually being harmful but it just needs to be handled properly and carefully, it shouldnt just be sold to the average joe who has no clue what hes doing, only those knowledgeable enough to know how to use it.
 

colonuggs

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your basing your information off of personal opinion and not facts, avid? thats a pesticide meant to kill shit, why would it be any different for a human? i posted actual facts that are backed by studies and trials, not a post relating a pesticide death to a pgr, also theres 100s of thousands of chemicals that ingested in little amounts are very detrimental to your health, chlormequat chloride has one related death in which the person had dranken cycocel straight and in a large amount, he was also 59... now because someone decides to stir up shit about pgrs causing cancer its instantly the enemy when we can easily take a look at many other products that will kill you and they arent ranted about constantly, please do some research on the chemical itself and then get back to me, ive done enough research and learning to let an avid death stray me away.

i am not trying to defend the case of it not actually being harmful but it just needs to be handled properly and carefully, it shouldnt just be sold to the average joe who has no clue what hes doing, only those knowledgeable enough to know how to use it.
You didnt read those attched pdf files.... read them i attached them below..... they are proof the chemicals used in these products are not for use in human crops/consumption ....

why would you use them on marijuana

Paclobutrazol and Daminozide are widely used in horticulture, but the fact is although paclo is registered for use with edible crops there is a withholding period. Daminozide is only registered for use on ornamental plants, not for human consumption. Given the toxicity of a number of chemicals that are allowed for use in agriculture a fair bit of weight must be given to the fact that daminozide can not be registered for anything other than ornamentals.
Glyphosate, the most widely used herbicide in the world since it was marketed in 1974 is now starting to raise a lot of questions about it's toxicity and persistence in the environment.

The facts are that paclobutrazol and daminozide are not disclosed as ingredients in these products. These products have not been registered for use in hydroponics for a reason

I am a licensed commercial pesticide/herbicide applicator....hmmm I guess I dont know shit

Regulations for fertilizer labeling in the USA is strict but varies from state to state. Despite these regulations, formulators are not always required to list every ingredient in their products; these recipes are protected as “trade secrets”.

For this reason formulators have been allowed to market known toxins to unsuspecting farmers for some time. Fortunately a formal inquiry conducted by the California Department of Food and Agriculture (CDFA) has revealed the truth behind these insidious products. The CDFA tested several products, and the findings have since been made public, thanks, in part to the Freedom of Information Act. Below is a summary of the lab results, to view the full report simply click the product name.

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Bushmaster
: 271ppm Paclobutrazol
Gravity: 516ppm Paclobutrazol
Flower Dragon : 18,400-18,650ppm Daminozide, 30-46.3ppm Paclobutrazol
TopLoad: 3,467ppm Daminozide
Phosphoload: 17,800ppm Daminozide, 20.6ppm Paclobutrazol
Recall Notice

So the secret is out. These guys have been marketing poison to the marijuana growing community for years and have been getting away with it. Lets take a look at some of the ridiculous claims and out right lies made by these not so reputable vendors.
Here is the sales pitch used by Emerald Triangle’s marketing department to sell their product called “Gravity”:

“Our uniquely prepared kelp extract and phosphorus based additive will harden your flowers from the top to the bottom. A little goes a long way. Use once or twice about 3 weeks before the end of a plant’s cycle. Adds size and weight to flowering plants.”


Thanks to the CDFA report, we now know that Gravity is in fact a PGR called Paclobutrazol. This chemical retards internode length and reduces maturation time significantly. When used on marijuana, this results in tighter flowering tops that can be harvested earlier. This has made Gravity an attractive fertilizer additive to many unsuspecting growers.

The makers of Phosphoload, Dutch Masters market their product with these out-right lies;

“Dutch Master PhosphoLoad utilizes a new technology which extracts unique isolates from coal derived humates. These are powerful earth elements that unlock the floodgates for a fast & powerful flowering response. When used, PhosphoLoad produces dramatically larger and heavier yields of flowers with an average yield increase of 25 to 30%.”


While Phosphoload may contain “powerful earth elements” it also includes; 17,800ppm Daminozide and 20.6ppm Paclobutrazol. These two dangerous chemicals are not approved for crops intended for human consumption, and should never be used for growing medicine.

Products known to contain Paclobutrazol and Daminozide have been banned for sale in California and Oregon but are still readily available through Internet distributors, and who knows how much is still in the hands of marijuana growers. In truth this regional ban will have very little effect on the availability if these PGRs. The good news for users of medical cannabis is that companies now offer testing for these dangerous chemicals. SC Laboratory’s in Santa Cruz California is one of these companies currently testing PGR’s in medical marijuana.

Daminozide


IUPAC name: N-(Dimethylamino)succinamic acid
Molecular formula: C[SUB]6[/SUB]N[SUB]2[/SUB]H[SUB]12[/SUB]O[SUB]3[/SUB]
Commercial trade names: Alar, Kylar, B-NINE, DMASA, SADH, B 995
Consumer Products: Flower Dragon, Top Load, Phosphoload
Daminozide has been shown to promote early fruit set, blossom set, and enhance color in apples, tomatoes, grapes, stone fruit and ornamental plants.
Daminozide was approved for sale in the USA in 1963 and was popularized by apple farmers until 1989 when it was nearly banned by the FDA as a suspected carcinogen. At that time it’s manufacturer Uniroyal Chemical Company withdrew it from the market for use on food crops but continued to offer it for use on ornamental plants. That same year the television program 60 minutes featured a segment outlining concerns of the use of Daminozide and cancer causing apples. This created a terrified public that refused to buy apples resulting in a law suit filed by apple producers against CBS, NRDC and Fenton Communications for 100 million dollars in damages.
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) currently lists Daminozide as a probable human carcinogen. At present, further testing is required to clarify how dangerous it really is.
Paclobutrazol


IUPAC name: (2S,3S)-1-(4-chlorophenyl)-4,4-dimethyl-2-(1,2,4-triazol-1-yl)pentan-3-ol
Molecular Formula: C[SUB]15[/SUB]H[SUB]20[/SUB]ClN[SUB]3[/SUB]O
Commercial Trade names: Cultar, Astar, Bonzi, Clipper, Holdfost, Klipper, MET, Parlay, PP333
Consumer products: Bushmaster, Gravity, Phosphoload, Flower Dragon
Paclobutrazol retards plant growth by inhibiting the plants natural production of natural growth hormones called Gibberellins. This results in shorter internode length, greater root development, early fruit set, enhanced fruit set, and a reduction in frost sensitivity. Paclobutrazol is also marketed as a fungicide
Paclobutrazol is banned in most European countries while the US EPA lists it as “Moderately Hazardous” and states, “This substance has not undergone a complete evaluation and determination under US EPA’s IRIS program for evidence of human carcinogenic potential”. At this time it appears that Paclobutrazol has not been banned but has no food use registrations in the USA.
I encourage readers to investigate the use of PGRs in greater detail. It’s important to understand that these chemicals dramatically alter the natural behaviour of plants. PGR’s in comparable doses used different plant species can have very different effects. The exact biology of some of these complex hormone-like interactions is still under study. It’s possible that we will never fully understand the effects of PGRs on produce intended for consumption via combustion
 

Silicity

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im talking about chlormequat chloride, paclobutrazol has a way longer half life than chlormequat chloride, a licensed pesticides dealer doesnt make you a scientist, just a retailer. im done replying to thread as you havent done enough actual research about the pgr.
 

colonuggs

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Im not a dealer.... im a applicator for over 15 yrs ....I have to read the lables.. know what chemicals to use.. how much and when to use the chemicals legally and keep records of use

any chemical deemed not for use in human crops should not be used for marijuana period...if you want to go ahead but I would never buy anything off you.

That is why i suggest to all my friends to grow thier own... that way they know whats in their weed

im talking about chlormequat chloride, .
where do you see chlormequat as an ingredient in these additives??

that chemical is not in these products...the chemicals I'm reffering to are in these products

that is why California has banned its use and sale


Bushmaster contains 271ppm Paclobutrazol
 
do some more research, that guy is an idiot, sorry to say.

bushmaster contains a plant growth regulator called chlormequat chloride that altars plants auxins, it actually works and isnt just phosphoric acid... do some research on plant growth regulators and you'll be introduced to a whole new ball game.

also do some research of the health effects of these products as they can be carcinogenic (cancer causing) and then you decide wether or not its for you.
Thanks. That's sort of what I was getting at. I was trying to find a PGR that is not toxic in consumeables.
 

cues

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I too am licenced (PA1/PA6 in UK).
Spent time and money getting it, also about 15 years back and the rest of the time since learning how to avoid using it.
First rule. Reaching for the chemical cupboard is a LAST resort and a sign that you are doing something wrong somewhere.
 

dbkick

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Bushmaster is nothing more than .1 (1/10 of 1%) phosphoric acid. That's it!

You could get the same result with a little pH down. Most of them use phosphoric acid as a base.

Learn how to research these rip offs. ~$30/8oz for something that is 99.9% water?!!!??

Wet
actually bushmaster contains Paclobutrazol which is a carcinogen . There's a new prodcut out by NPK called Stack that's supposed to reduce stetch. this cycle I used the bushmaster (even though it contains a carcinogen) . I'm also using the Stack, it's said to put all focus into flower growth and and mature smaller flowers plus is a hardener.
 
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