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Thomahawk

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Anyone have experience with groth that looks like this only new groth afftedcted generally healthy beside this. Vpd is on point ph and ppm run offs is on point wind burn is not an issue the only thing I can say it’s colder then normal lower 70s
Tupar coco feed 700ppms every feed usaly two days at 5.9-.6.3 running full mills line and 1.4ml cal mag from oac seems to me like posible a cal or a sulphar issue any help or advise from anyone that’s experience that type of new growth or if using mills would be a plus
 

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SpideyManDan

SpideyManDan

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i dont want to be that negative nancy but....when i had deformations on growth like that, i concluded that it was a calcium problem. Either from Ph being off, nutrient lock out, or just not enough. There is a possibility it could be boron as well but because its a trace mineral there should be enough if you water with tap water or if you use soil.

And i just read you are using coco....it very well may be calcium...

Only other thing would be to keep a close eye on it and if new growth is still looking pretty funky i could up the dose of calcium maybe just a tiny bit. Im more of a soil person however so im not to familiar with coco, maybe some more familiar can help you out.

edit: i dont care what anyone says, new growth shouldnt look that twisted.
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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smokinrav said:
Lots of people look for problems that don't exist. Wait and see if any other problems develop op.
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It's a mag def. Look at the leaves. Either not enough or ph is blocking uptake. I would suggest raising ph levels to 6.2 - 6.4.
 
Aussieaceae

Aussieaceae

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Doesn't look like magnesium deficiency to me. Magnesium is mobile and no lower leaves are showing symptoms.

More likely it's calcium related. Could be iron, sulphur or zinc too.
Better chance it's calcium.

I think your plants look very healthy. Probably isn't worth trying to address, besides possibly raising ph.
If you try addressing calcium, I think lime will be better than calmag. You don't necessarily want the iron, mag or nitrate, from the calmag either.
Gypsum might be helpful too, for fast calcium, plus sulphur as well.
I just don't want to say go ahead and use gypsum in coco. Never bothered with it in coco, always used dolomite.
But I do use heaps of gypsum in soil. It's a great soil conditioner and doesn't have an immediate impact on ph.

Given the cation exchange in coco, i'd say calcium for sure.
But really they look great. Might be more headache than it's worth chasing it down. They'll probably snap out of it anyway.
Grow so fast sometimes they're just like that temporarily.
 
go go kid

go go kid

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both being benaficiaL and one needed to up take the other, forget which is which why not treat with cal/mag, its only needed in minute quantaties.
you could folier feed it if your worried, that wont mess with ph or anything else
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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Aussieaceae said:
Doesn't look like magnesium deficiency to me. Magnesium is mobile and no lower leaves are showing symptoms.

More likely it's calcium related. Could be iron, sulphur or zinc too.
Better chance it's calcium.

I think your plants look very healthy. Probably isn't worth trying to address, besides possibly raising ph.
If you try addressing calcium, I think lime will be better than calmag. You don't necessarily want the iron, mag or nitrate, from the calmag either.
Gypsum might be helpful too, for fast calcium, plus sulphur as well.
I just don't want to say go ahead and use gypsum in coco. Never bothered with it in coco, always used dolomite.
But I do use heaps of gypsum in soil. It's a great soil conditioner and doesn't have an immediate impact on ph.

Given the cation exchange in coco, i'd say calcium for sure.
But really they look great. Might be more headache than it's worth chasing it down. They'll probably snap out of it anyway.
Grow so fast sometimes they're just like that temporarily.
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Best I can find ATM. I agree with mobile nute. But this is what I see. Have had it from the top a couple times. Cal, or cal/mag either way. But cal may be the culprit. Please read article. Informative at least.

Peace and luck to all.

www.growweedeasy.com

How to fix Cannabis Magnesium Deficiency (Mg) Pics & Symptoms

Does your cannabis plant have yellowing lower leaves between the veins? See pictures of a magnesium deficiency and learn the easy solution.
www.growweedeasy.com www.growweedeasy.com
 
Aussieaceae

Aussieaceae

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go go kid said:
both being benaficiaL and one needed to up take the other, forget which is which why not treat with cal/mag, its only needed in minute quantaties.
you could folier feed it if your worried, that wont mess with ph or anything else
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Why, if it's calcium that's deficient?

Coco is such a calcium hog, calcium deficiency is most likely what's going to show first.

New growth showing deficiency, fast growing plants, yellowing, twisted new growth.
That's calcium all over in my own opinion.

You need a lot more calcium than magnesium in your CEC. Maybe the coco needed more lime when it was buffered? Who knows.
I just don't see the need in adding additional nitrogen, magnesium, or iron, when it doesn't look deficient in any of those things at all. Calmag is immediately available too.

go go kid said:
looks normal to me for ordinary growth.
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Fast growing, coco, hydro, absolutely agree. And it's very likely calcium. Given calcium's own mobility, deficiency symptoms and necessity for nutrient uptake.
 
twentyeight.threefive

twentyeight.threefive

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Thomahawk said:
Anyone have experience with groth that looks like this only new groth afftedcted generally healthy beside this. Vpd is on point ph and ppm run offs is on point wind burn is not an issue the only thing I can say it’s colder then normal lower 70s
Tupar coco feed 700ppms every feed usaly two days at 5.9-.6.3 running full mills line and 1.4ml cal mag from oac seems to me like posible a cal or a sulphar issue any help or advise from anyone that’s experience that type of new growth or if using mills would be a plus
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New growth is often much lighter. Let it grow out and see if the leaves stay that light color. Also plants that size in coco should be fed a minimum of once a day.
 
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EasyGrowerUk

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your plants look very heathy, but there in early flower and still have a lot of stretching so your pots look too small for the plants, I can see you having alot of problems soon

I would pot the plant up asap, not ideal but needs to be done imo.
 
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Thomahawk

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SpideyManDan said:
i dont want to be that negative nancy but....when i had deformations on growth like that, i concluded that it was a calcium problem. Either from Ph being off, nutrient lock out, or just not enough. There is a possibility it could be boron as well but because its a trace mineral there should be enough if you water with tap water or if you use soil.

And i just read you are using coco....it very well may be calcium...

Only other thing would be to keep a close eye on it and if new growth is still looking pretty funky i could up the dose of calcium maybe just a tiny bit. Im more of a soil person however so im not to familiar with coco, maybe some more familiar can help you out.

edit: i dont care what anyone says, new growth shouldnt look that twisted.
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Definitely not suposed to look like that , or I wouldn’t be here asking I study and try to research everything I can before I ask people just can’t find anything on it no tap water using a r/o water supplemented with cal mag before my reg
MICHI-CAN said:
It's a mag def. Look at the leaves. Either not enough or ph is blocking uptake. I would suggest raising ph levels to 6.2 - 6.4.
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Aussieaceae said:
Doesn't look like magnesium deficiency to me. Magnesium is mobile and no lower leaves are showing symptoms.

More likely it's calcium related. Could be iron, sulphur or zinc too.
Better chance it's calcium.

I think your plants look very healthy. Probably isn't worth trying to address, besides possibly raising ph.
If you try addressing calcium, I think lime will be better than calmag. You don't necessarily want the iron, mag or nitrate, from the calmag either.
Gypsum might be helpful too, for fast calcium, plus sulphur as well.
I just don't want to say go ahead and use gypsum in coco. Never bothered with it in coco, always used dolomite.
But I do use heaps of gypsum in soil. It's a great soil conditioner and doesn't have an immediate impact on ph.

Given the cation exchange in coco, i'd say calcium for sure.
But really they look great. Might be more headache than it's worth chasing it down. They'll probably snap out of it anyway.
Grow so fast sometimes they're just like that temporarily.
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ya I was thinking calcium or sulphar my cal mag is straight cal mag no nitrogen or iron by the way I found the two by there self because nitrogen in the botanic care was messing with the nitro in mills
 
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Thomahawk

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EasyGrowerUk said:
your plants look very heathy, but there in early flower and still have a lot of stretching so your pots look too small for the plants, I can see you having alot of problems soon

I would pot the plant up asap, not ideal but needs to be done imo.
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They are not in flower lighting is still 18/6 and they are in 5 gals thank thoe it’s possible one of these pics were taking before transplant on Sunday
 
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Jimbo the Gael

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I had growth like that on one of my outdoor plants last year. She was directly in the ground and had no deficiencies. She grew out of it. The twisty leaves straightened out, and the leaves ended up the same colour as the rest of the plant.
 
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Thomahawk

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MICHI-CAN said:
Best I can find ATM. I agree with mobile nute. But this is what I see. Have had it from the top a couple times. Cal, or cal/mag either way. But cal may be the culprit. Please read article. Informative at least.

Peace and luck to all.

www.growweedeasy.com

How to fix Cannabis Magnesium Deficiency (Mg) Pics & Symptoms

Does your cannabis plant have yellowing lower leaves between the veins? See pictures of a magnesium deficiency and learn the easy solution.
www.growweedeasy.com www.growweedeasy.com
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Appreciate ya I’ve read that whole website allready thoe
MICHI-CAN said:
Best I can find ATM. I agree with mobile nute. But this is what I see. Have had it from the top a couple times. Cal, or cal/mag either way. But cal may be the culprit. Please read article. Informative at least.

Peace and luck to all.

www.growweedeasy.com

How to fix Cannabis Magnesium Deficiency (Mg) Pics & Symptoms

Does your cannabis plant have yellowing lower leaves between the veins? See pictures of a magnesium deficiency and learn the easy solution.
www.growweedeasy.com www.growweedeasy.com
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Thomahawk said:
Won’t throw a un healthy plant in flower
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Wich why I need to fix cause I need to flip ASAP or I will run out of hieght in my tent
 
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