Can soil compete with hydro yields? Please read

Rrog

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meangreengrowinmachine

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What is soil/hydro hybrid? The definition of hydroponics is a subset of hydroculture, the method of growing plants without soil, using mineral nutrient solutions in a water solvent.
So what you are talking about is just SOIL + irigation with nutrient solution...
I would not be using nutrient solutions but rather using the soil food web and possible compost teas for irrigation. I guess no it is not a hydro hybrid technically.. I have tasted bud grown in soild an hydro that were both great but i feel that hydro is in fact harder to get right and is just not for me atm, each to their own though! The taste of dirt.. that's just silly... do your vegetables from your garden taste like dirt? nope lol
 

The_Enthusiast

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But for natural soil you have to have about 1 gallon soil/ month of bloom/ plant. I don't see the space in my room for that.

I did grow organically about 1000 olive trees on about 35.000m2, but I wouldn't grow it organically indoor
 

redi jedi

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These soil comments are not simply wrong, they're ignorant. Taste of dirt? Everyone knows that complete bullshit - jesus man.

Less pesticides and fungicides? Maybe if you're not growing in real soil. Otherwise you have billions upon billions of helpers
Its not bullshit...

Peoples tastes are obviously very different...so why argue about it?
 

Tim Fox

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What is soil/hydro hybrid? The definition of hydroponics is a subset of hydroculture, the method of growing plants without soil, using mineral nutrient solutions in a water solvent.
So what you are talking about is just SOIL + irigation with nutrient solution...
Sure but you get all the benefits I listed and you get hydro results without all the hydro work
 

redi jedi

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You must be a novice ;)
I would not be using nutrient solutions but rather using the soil food web and possible compost teas for irrigation. I guess no it is not a hydro hybrid technically.. I have tasted bud grown in soild an hydro that were both great but i feel that hydro is in fact harder to get right and is just not for me atm, each to their own though! The taste of dirt.. that's just silly... do your vegetables from your garden taste like dirt? nope lol
Grow a tomato in soil...then grow a tomato in hydro..eat them and then come back and describe the difference in flavour.
 

Tim Fox

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A sip uses no electricity no pumps no drips does not need air stones , yet half the roots sit in a water res drinking all they need the other half of the roots are in the soil doing all the wonderful things soil does they come by many names and can be diy mine happens to be the earthbox they sale them on build. A soil web site
 

Rrog

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Been done. Not only can you taste a difference, you can test a difference. TDS and brix.

Part of the real problem with commercial food is that while it looks similar, it's lacking in nutrient density
 

The_Enthusiast

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Sure but you get all the benefits I listed and you get hydro results without all the hydro work
You don't get any of benefits of hydro...
There is no hard work in hydro only expensive start.
Okay I believe this are the key concepts we all can agree upon:

a) it's harder to do hydro right than do soil right
b) plants in hydro can thrive better than soil (if all factors are good) and they spend less energy/time to dig nutrients vs soil so they can yield more and grow larger in same time
c) plants eat inorganic matter not organic so all you organic growers - i suppose you know that you need some bacteria or other microbes to convert your ogranic fertilizer to inorganic form...
 

Rrog

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And with a natural soil running the way it wants, you enlist billions of microbial helpers.

Run the grow the way YOU want and the plant / microbe relationship is tossed in the shitter. You can add all the bottles microbes you want - you just made soup is all. No microbe functionality / protection when you go hydro.

I like how people call soil "dirt," and microbes "bugs" Again, very telling as to the knowledge base
 

Tim Fox

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You don't get any of benefits of hydro...
There is no hard work in hydro only expensive start.
Okay I believe this are the key concepts we all can agree upon:

a) it's harder to do hydro right than do soil right
b) plants in hydro can thrive better than soil (if all factors are good) and they spend less energy/time to dig nutrients vs soil so they can yield more and grow larger in same time
c) plants eat inorganic matter not organic so all you organic growers - i suppose you know that you need some bacteria or other microbes to convert your ogranic fertilizer to inorganic form...
I used to spend countless hours filling and draining gallons upon gallons in reservoir , pH IMG water checking tdds having to keep a res cool make sure timers were right and on and on I found it to be tiresome and time consuming with a sip you don't do any of that

And yes my sip IS getting hydro results I can say that because I have done both
 

Rrog

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Similar soil results with constant drip. Soil work better when constantly mist, not wet / dry / wet / dry
 

The_Enthusiast

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I didn't say microbes = bugs, I just said that you need to build a little eco system if you are going natural soil route. I like permaculture as a concept but you need a lot of plant diversity to take a full advantage of it
 
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