Can vertical growing utilize less space and be stealthy?

Kind Sir

Kind Sir

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A lot of folks just do a low rise grow and then put another tray over the first, etc, so you end up with stacked trays.

Where you said that is what confused me. I have smaller lights but want to utilize my big LED, I feel like i’ve seen pictures of what you’re talking about but my be wrong.

I’m definitely going to check out grow journals, most vert grows Ive seen use a single MH/HPS bulb, Ive never seen an LED on its side which is another “issue” i’ll have to tackle!


ttystikk said:
Where did I lose you?
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Markshomegrown

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Vertical grows will start coming into play in a few years' time, you would be able to double your crop size.
That's what I am going for next time I set my flower room up.

4ft x 4ft flower room, you could grow one massive 2.5ft x 2.5ft x 4ft covered in bud, just like the ones grown outside.
 
Lenin1917

Lenin1917

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If the family you’re moving in with or renting from(but they still wanna check on ya) I’d hold off until I got my own place or a place where the landlords not nosy. (Disregard if Ur legal) but that just sounds super risky too me and I grow in a house I rent from a cop in a prohibition state(he’s an absent slumlord with several dozen properties in my hood)
 
gr865

gr865

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OneHitDone said:
The finished flower quality from a vertical scrog is inferior to horizontal. Think about it - the plants are grivtropic and your hitting the flowers from 1 side with light.
If you were to do a vert grow look at the octagon multi-tier setups with high plant count. Basically drop in clones and flip to bloom.
I also have a journal here in the vertical section if you wanna check out my vert run :peace:

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OnehitDone, my friend, I think you can grow large crop with vertical, here is my last vertical grow.
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That was with two 315W CMH lamps, I am going to try a vert with my new HLG Scorpion Diablo.
 
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vertnugs

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The only difference in "Quality" i ever noticed was one side of a bud looks different from the other,due to the light source coming from the side vs the top.

But "Quality" is subjective isn't it?I grow for terps.He grows for yield,he grow for money,yada yada yada.
 
OneHitDone

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gr865 said:
OnehitDone, my friend, I think you can grow large crop with vertical, here is my last vertical grow.
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That was with two 315W CMH lamps, I am going to try a vert with my new HLG Scorpion Diablo.
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Yes, definitely large crops. It's about the quality vs horizontal.
As I said, if I were to ever do a vertical situation again it would ether be see of green multi-level octagon type thing or the way @PKHydro ran his grow with the big natural type girls

vertnugs said:
The only difference in "Quality" i ever noticed was one side of a bud looks different from the other,due to the light source coming from the side vs the top.

But "Quality" is subjective isn't it?I grow for terps.He grows for yield,he grow for money,yada yada yada.
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The comments are around quality, not quantity or making $$. You just confirmed the lesser quality yourself. In a horizontal setup the whole flower would have beautiful coloration :peace:
 
tuksu6000

tuksu6000

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I did couple of vertical rounds with hid and cmh and i have to say that I didnt really notice any difference on each side of the buds.
@gr865 Are u going to do only one wall vert this time with led or whats ur plan? Your last one looks nice!
 
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gr865

gr865

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tuksu6000 said:
I did couple of vertical rounds with hid and cmh and i have to say that I didnt really notice any difference on each side of the buds.
@gr865 Are u going to do only one wall vert this time with led or whats ur plan? Your last one looks nice!
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Just got an email from HLG and said I could hang the Diablo vertical.
So the plan would be to use one wall of the 5 x 5 and my frames against the wall with the Diablo hung vertical. 5 plants.
 
gr865

gr865

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Kind Sir said:
I’d like to see the set up as I have pretty much the same light. Unsure how to do this correctly!
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I use a 5 x 5 tent, so I would hang the lamp from the roof supports with a draw cord to raise and lower.
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The plants on individual screens can be removed from the tent to work on. The lamp would be adjustable up and down and forward and back.
Since you say you can't use a tent, with the movable screens you can remove the plants from the room when your landlord come, and just unhang the lamp.
I know I am making this simpler than it really is but it would work.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Kind Sir said:
A lot of folks just do a low rise grow and then put another tray over the first, etc, so you end up with stacked trays.

Where you said that is what confused me. I have smaller lights but want to utilize my big LED, I feel like i’ve seen pictures of what you’re talking about but my be wrong.

I’m definitely going to check out grow journals, most vert grows Ive seen use a single MH/HPS bulb, Ive never seen an LED on its side which is another “issue” i’ll have to tackle!
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A few commercial grow facilities grow in shelves. One shelf on the floor, the next maybe a meter high, a third the same distance above that, etc. That's not the approach I've taken in the past but it works.
 
OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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gr865 said:
I use a 5 x 5 tent, so I would hang the lamp from the roof supports with a draw cord to raise and lower.
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The plants on individual screens can be removed from the tent to work on. The lamp would be adjustable up and down and forward and back.
Since you say you can't use a tent, with the movable screens you can remove the plants from the room when your landlord come, and just unhang the lamp.
I know I am making this simpler than it really is but it would work.
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Each plant will be like 12" wide but tall?
 
Kind Sir

Kind Sir

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My landlord is family and knows ive done this multiple times, I just don’t like it in their face. Weird situation. I could grow at the place I moved from but it’s 30 minutes away, and would need to have it semi automated. Was debating on setting up a nice blumat system, but was thinking I’d need to go there like almost every other day.

Do you have a picture of your grow in action so I can get a better idea?


gr865 said:
I use a 5 x 5 tent, so I would hang the lamp from the roof supports with a draw cord to raise and lower.
View attachment 5082648

The plants on individual screens can be removed from the tent to work on. The lamp would be adjustable up and down and forward and back.
Since you say you can't use a tent, with the movable screens you can remove the plants from the room when your landlord come, and just unhang the lamp.
I know I am making this simpler than it really is but it would work.
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Kind Sir

Kind Sir

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That’s the only way i’ve seen vertical grows, the different levels but the plants must be small. Must be a SOG type grow huh? I mean you’d have harvests much quicker, but they’d be much smaller.

Fun way to try new strains. When doing SOG grows (similar to some vert grows I’m thinking,) do you get similar harvests to regular grows overall?

ttystikk said:
A few commercial grow facilities grow in shelves. One shelf on the floor, the next maybe a meter high, a third the same distance above that, etc. That's not the approach I've in the past but it works.
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Kind Sir

Kind Sir

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That’s pretty cool. I actually do have some HPS/MH bulbs, wanted to use my LED instead.. I guess you could do something similar but it would just be plants on one side but more of them…

Interesting. I’m thinking I’ll just look up some grow journals, can’t find much using LEDs besides from cool cats here.
OneHitDone said:
Heres a couple examples. The second is kinda sexy with the Rockwool slabs set up on end :peace:



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tuksu6000

tuksu6000

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OneHitDone said:
Heres a couple examples. The second is kinda sexy with the Rockwool slabs set up on end :peace:



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Kind Sir said:
That’s pretty cool. I actually do have some HPS/MH bulbs, wanted to use my LED instead.. I guess you could do something similar but it would just be plants on one side but more of them…

Interesting. I’m thinking I’ll just look up some grow journals, can’t find much using LEDs besides from cool cats here.
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Second one looks like a spaceship, cool! Looks also pretty expensive.
Here is some pics of my last setup with bulbs in 4x4 space. Its just far away from stealth..
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Kind Sir

Kind Sir

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What’s the difference between yours and having it with a regular light? Having trouble seeing. My one thought was I could have like a 3 foot shelving unit with a trellis between the shelf and my LED.

I was thinking I could have the pots on an angle, train the plants to grow horizontally some and then weave them vertically like a vine through the trellis. I’ve seen something like that but not sure.

Other thought and more doable would to have my LED vertical (like with my other idea,) but use something like this but room for soil and not hydro

https://www.amazon.com/VEVOR-Hydroponic-Layers-Culture-Garden/dp/B0936QYH2F/ref=mp_s_a_1_17?keywords=vertical+grow+system&qid=1644480833&sr=8-17

and do a SOG type grow… Anything to use more vertical space, and maby like 3foot horizontally tops.

Sucks as I just finished a 4x4 bed grow, but i’m thinking the SOG grow could really work.
tuksu6000 said:
Second one looks like a spaceship, cool! Looks also pretty expensive.
Here is some pics of my last setup with bulbs in 4x4 space. Its just far away from stealth..
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