Can you use a root stimulant through entire life cycle?

Nutty sKunK · Nov 12, 2017

As the title suggests.. Can you?

My reason being is that my Root stim contains certain micro nutrients which I'd like to incorporate in with my water only days..

Can't see is being much harm? But is it bad to stim roots mid/late flower?

Kingrow1 · Nov 12, 2017

It has been mentioned that stimulating root growth is great but at the cost of energy that would have been used for plant growth :-)

Nutty sKunK · Nov 12, 2017

Kingrow1 said:
It has been mentioned that stimulating root growth is great but at the cost of energy that would have been used for plant growth

Makes sense.. I’ll try plain water. Last time I did they went mental. My rap water is basically RO lol

Roger A. Shrubber · Nov 12, 2017

as long as you're providing them with a healthy environment, you shouldn't have to do anything to stimulate root growth.
i grow in 10 gallon hempy buckets, 75% perlite, 25% promix, and when i chop a plant, there are so many roots i'm lucky to get 2 gallons of my mix back. keep your roots happy, and they'll grow plenty with no special attention

Jeremy Pivens · Nov 12, 2017

auxin(the hormone that stimulates shoot growth) works in a relationship with cytokinin(the hormone that stimulates root growth), if you have too much on one, the other doesn't do its job.

Roger A. Shrubber · Nov 12, 2017

The ratio of auxin to cytokinin plays an important role in the effect of cytokinin on plant growth. Cytokinin alone has no effect on parenchyma cells. When cultured with auxin but no cytokinin, they grow large but do not divide. When cytokinin is added, the cells expand and differentiate. When cytokinin and auxin are present in equal levels, the parenchyma cells form an undifferentiated callus. More cytokinin induces growth of shoot buds, while more auxin induces root formation

Kingrow1 · Nov 12, 2017

Roger A. Shrubber said:
The ratio of auxin to cytokinin plays an important role in the effect of cytokinin on plant growth. Cytokinin alone has no effect on parenchyma cells. When cultured with auxin but no cytokinin, they grow large but do not divide. When cytokinin is added, the cells expand and differentiate. When cytokinin and auxin are present in equal levels, the parenchyma cells form an undifferentiated callus. More cytokinin induces growth of shoot buds, while more auxin induces root formation

It is the amount of one over the other and not that either works on their own you mean :-)

Jeremy Pivens · Nov 12, 2017

Roger A. Shrubber said:
The ratio of auxin to cytokinin plays an important role in the effect of cytokinin on plant growth. Cytokinin alone has no effect on parenchyma cells. When cultured with auxin but no cytokinin, they grow large but do not divide. When cytokinin is added, the cells expand and differentiate. When cytokinin and auxin are present in equal levels, the parenchyma cells form an undifferentiated callus. More cytokinin induces growth of shoot buds, while more auxin induces root formation

I try to dumb everything down for the general population, but nail on head. This guy knows his shit and you should listen to him.

vostok · Nov 12, 2017

Roger A. Shrubber said:
The ratio of auxin to cytokinin plays an important role in the effect of cytokinin on plant growth. Cytokinin alone has no effect on parenchyma cells. When cultured with auxin but no cytokinin, they grow large but do not divide. When cytokinin is added, the cells expand and differentiate. When cytokinin and auxin are present in equal levels, the parenchyma cells form an undifferentiated callus. More cytokinin induces growth of shoot buds, while more auxin induces root formation

bullshit baffles brains

but

I like his bullshit

Odin* · Nov 12, 2017

Can you use a root stimulant through entire life cycle?

“Yes”.

But, do you want to?

“No”.

Nutty sKunK · Nov 13, 2017

Roger A. Shrubber said:
as long as you're providing them with a healthy environment, you shouldn't have to do anything to stimulate root growth.
i grow in 10 gallon hempy buckets, 75% perlite, 25% promix, and when i chop a plant, there are so many roots i'm lucky to get 2 gallons of my mix back. keep your roots happy, and they'll grow plenty with no special attention

Well you're abosutely right. Although I'm not going to be using it for the root stim, it contains trace elements which I'm needing to use as my NPK bloom contains too much nitrogen. So I'm making my own formula of nutrients

Nutty sKunK · Nov 13, 2017

Roger A. Shrubber said:
The ratio of auxin to cytokinin plays an important role in the effect of cytokinin on plant growth. Cytokinin alone has no effect on parenchyma cells. When cultured with auxin but no cytokinin, they grow large but do not divide. When cytokinin is added, the cells expand and differentiate. When cytokinin and auxin are present in equal levels, the parenchyma cells form an undifferentiated callus. More cytokinin induces growth of shoot buds, while more auxin induces root formation

Thanks for the knowledge. I'll take that on board for my plants. My root stim has certain micro nutrients that aren't being supplemented on my water only days. Last time I used plain water my plants threw up a host of micro deficiencies.

Roger A. Shrubber · Nov 13, 2017

Kingrow1 said:
It is the amount of one over the other and not that either works on their own you mean

they're both always present, one just over powers the other temporarily

Roger A. Shrubber · Nov 13, 2017

maybe you need a better base feed? i like Jack's 20-20-20 for veg and jack's citrus for flower. i foliar feed calcium once a week, as neither one contains any, and Jack's has a great micro base with plenty of sulfur

Kingrow1 · Nov 13, 2017

Roger A. Shrubber said:
they're both always present, one just over powers the other temporarily

You know it really fucks me off that these photo-quenching carbon assimilating little bastards are so complex, if you ask me this artificial leaf tech they got going at the moment could't come soon enough so we can bring fire and fury down on them and that fucked up bitch mother nature like they have never seen before and finally eradicate them all from the surface of 'OUR' planet. :-)

SonsOfAvery · Nov 14, 2017

Kingrow1 said:
You know it really fucks me off that these photo-quenching carbon assimilating little bastards are so complex, if you ask me this artificial leaf tech they got going at the moment could't come soon enough so we can bring fire and fury down on them and that fucked up bitch mother nature like they have never seen before and finally eradicate them all from the surface of 'OUR' planet.

Someone's been watching too many presidential speeches!

Nutty sKunK · Nov 14, 2017

Roger A. Shrubber said:
maybe you need a better base feed? i like Jack's 20-20-20 for veg and jack's citrus for flower. i foliar feed calcium once a week, as neither one contains any, and Jack's has a great micro base with plenty of sulfur

Basically my problems stem from using too many worm castings in there seedling/veg stage, i used 50/50 in 1lt pots, then additional 10% in there 1 gal pots, they're now in 5 gal pots with no extra castings haven realised my mistake. Now it's continuing to break down it's throwing the nitrogen balance out of whack in my soil. Not to mention the issues I had with too much calcium as well from them messing with my micro uptake.

I believe the 3-3-4 bloom feed is perfect if those castings didn't exist haha. But since they do I'm having to play around with my nute selection for a balanced profile.

Kingrow1 · Nov 14, 2017

Nutty sKunK said:
Basically my problems stem from using too many worm castings in there seedling/veg stage, i used 50/50 in 1lt pots, then additional 10% in there 1 gal pots, they're now in 5 gal pots with no extra castings haven realised my mistake. Now it's continuing to break down it's throwing the nitrogen balance out of whack in my soil. Not to mention the issues I had with too much calcium as well from them messing with my micro uptake.

I believe the 3-3-4 bloom feed is perfect if those castings didn't exist haha. But since they do I'm having to play around with my nute selection for a balanced profile.

You never need worm casts, there an additive not an essential, just discontinue using all stuff like this and keep it simple with pre bagged soil and bottle of ferts :-)

Nutty sKunK · Nov 14, 2017

Kingrow1 said:
You never need worm casts, there an additive not an essential, just discontinue using all stuff like this and keep it simple with pre bagged soil and bottle of ferts

Aye that was my mistake. Thought they could be used just like soil. I was ironically going for simplicity xD

Mind you they lasted me 4 weeks before I fed them anything. Learnt the hard way

chemphlegm · Nov 14, 2017

best root stimulant I found, organic, edible, can be used to harvest day even with no off flavors or hormones..
water. shit works miracles when I wait for the dirt to dry and then add more, goshdamned cheap too

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