cleanin your honey oil for smooth perfection
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No dude, that would be awesome. What is lame is that the 99% pure smoke is being held over our heads tauntingly. What I'm saying is I'm content with 80% until the douchebags stop trying to keep secrets.
inval
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Purifying the oil alcohol extract of marijuana:
The alcohol extract of marijuana contains water soluble terpenes and other impurities. To get rid of them and create pure "honey oil", combine equal amounts of the extract with distilled water containing approximately 60 ml/liter of potassium hydroxide in a columnar separatory tube preferably with a stopcock on the bottom. Shake the mixture vigorously. The green terpenes and impurities will be separate into the water layer which will sink to the bottom of the tube. Use the stopcock to discard the water layer. Save the alcohol honey colored layer and drive off the solvent to dry it.
The alcohol extract of marijuana contains water soluble terpenes and other impurities. To get rid of them and create pure "honey oil", combine equal amounts of the extract with distilled water containing approximately 60 ml/liter of potassium hydroxide in a columnar separatory tube preferably with a stopcock on the bottom. Shake the mixture vigorously. The green terpenes and impurities will be separate into the water layer which will sink to the bottom of the tube. Use the stopcock to discard the water layer. Save the alcohol honey colored layer and drive off the solvent to dry it.
jberry
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i gotcha, and im with you as far as HO already being super good as is...
but other people besides the shop in BC must have learned how to make budder by now and i think that mr.budder was hinting that he has the knowledge to make this so called "budder".
inval
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Of course this works with any solvent extract: alcohol, acetone, petroleum ether. And of course butane is too volatile to use this method.
EVERYONE- read mrbudders profile and see the comments left by fdd.
This guy was so infuriated, by my truthful comments, that he banned me. vindictive to say the least.
You can run every time you get your toes stepped on, but it only makes you trip.
Ive had 5 +reps and 7 pms agreeing with me, not about oil, but about you being a hypocrite. Pushing people around, then crying like a little girl when you get pushed down is not a good behavior. you need to over come that. Its a week emotion.
As for this.... this is old. Some are in the know, some are not. REP to BUDDER!!!!!
Budder churning
"Cannabinoids are tricky substances. In the cannabis plant, they exist in an "acid" form that has no effect on humans.
Internally, the plant uses one cannabinoid as a precursor to another. Externally, cannabinoids altered by temperature, light or other factors can molecularly mutate into different, possibly more or less effective cannabinoids.
Cannabinoids have to be heated or otherwise altered so they will produce psychoactive effects in humans. Depending on how plants are processed and ingested, individual cannabinoids can exist in different chemical forms, and can interact with each other to produce a wide range of effects.
Solvent extraction involves combining cannabis with alcohol, ethanol, acetone, chloroform, butane or other solvents that extract cannabinoids and other byproducts from raw marijuana. Then, the solvent, byproducts and cannabinoids are separated and further manipulated. The goal is to create a finished material that only contains essential cannabinoids, especially THC.
The processing of cannabis into concentrate often involves multiple steps, but at minimum the manufacturer must use temperature controls and/or "wash" the cannabinoid-solvent mixture to remove solvent and other impurities. Products containing traces of solvent cause negative health effects, and can be detected by testing, taste, and odor. The degree to which solvents are absent is a key factor in judging the quality of a cannabis extract.
The details of solvent extraction are voluminous and complex. The process usually involves heat, volatile chemicals, lab equipment, meticulous record keeping, safety vigilance, and patience. Careless or inexperienced experimenters have been injured or killed when their labs blew up or caught fire."
This guy was so infuriated, by my truthful comments, that he banned me. vindictive to say the least.
You can run every time you get your toes stepped on, but it only makes you trip.
Ive had 5 +reps and 7 pms agreeing with me, not about oil, but about you being a hypocrite. Pushing people around, then crying like a little girl when you get pushed down is not a good behavior. you need to over come that. Its a week emotion.
As for this.... this is old. Some are in the know, some are not. REP to BUDDER!!!!!
"Cannabinoids are tricky substances. In the cannabis plant, they exist in an "acid" form that has no effect on humans.
Internally, the plant uses one cannabinoid as a precursor to another. Externally, cannabinoids altered by temperature, light or other factors can molecularly mutate into different, possibly more or less effective cannabinoids.
Cannabinoids have to be heated or otherwise altered so they will produce psychoactive effects in humans. Depending on how plants are processed and ingested, individual cannabinoids can exist in different chemical forms, and can interact with each other to produce a wide range of effects.
Solvent extraction involves combining cannabis with alcohol, ethanol, acetone, chloroform, butane or other solvents that extract cannabinoids and other byproducts from raw marijuana. Then, the solvent, byproducts and cannabinoids are separated and further manipulated. The goal is to create a finished material that only contains essential cannabinoids, especially THC.
The processing of cannabis into concentrate often involves multiple steps, but at minimum the manufacturer must use temperature controls and/or "wash" the cannabinoid-solvent mixture to remove solvent and other impurities. Products containing traces of solvent cause negative health effects, and can be detected by testing, taste, and odor. The degree to which solvents are absent is a key factor in judging the quality of a cannabis extract.
The details of solvent extraction are voluminous and complex. The process usually involves heat, volatile chemicals, lab equipment, meticulous record keeping, safety vigilance, and patience. Careless or inexperienced experimenters have been injured or killed when their labs blew up or caught fire."
Secret Jardin
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That is a conversation between Mr.Budder and Fdd. He did not just
Go to that guys profile and start talking shit. Anyway, I know it may seem
like Fdd is coming across as a jerk or whatever, But guess what he can, He is a mod, He can do whatever he likes. You think your the first person to try and sully his rep? He may be crass at times but more often than not he is extremely helpful. The step by step tuts Fdd puts on this site are great.
Go to that guys profile and start talking shit. Anyway, I know it may seem
like Fdd is coming across as a jerk or whatever, But guess what he can, He is a mod, He can do whatever he likes. You think your the first person to try and sully his rep? He may be crass at times but more often than not he is extremely helpful. The step by step tuts Fdd puts on this site are great.
420 swede
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If u want a guide to make budder check a danish guy out on youtube named "hashbean420" he is posting videos every now and then and some of his old ones is about various methods of getting budder, kief, oil and similar stuff out of MJ, they should still be on his profile unless they removed them due to his background music interfearing with copyright laws, i dunno which but some of them got removed.gotta back fdd here.... as far as extractions go (such as "essential oil" extractions), methods such as this (the butane) are at the forefront of the technology in the field.... the only "purer" thing you could conceive to extract with would be pure CO2, which requires a load of upwards of 5times that of propane or butane.... that coupled with the very low boiling point (evaporation) of butane and propane, make them an extremely effective method of extraction for the home user......
I've been damn interested in this "budder" since in first heard about it on here over a year ago...... but i've made honey oil via butane extraction on a few occasions..... some as ghetto as out of a plastic pop bottle.... and yet NO ONE CAN/WILL explain what the hell makes this "budder" so much "better"..... and this is the first time i've seen anyone attempt to explain what makes it different.....
until you present some VALID, SCIENTIFIC evidence, I have to say that you are full of shit.
oh and he talks english, dont worry =)
RickWhite
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I had to skip a few pages and jump to the end on this one.
What the OP is trying to do, or thinking he is doing is separating any potential polar substances from his non-polar oil.
The principle behind an oil extraction is that butane being a non-polar solvent is very good at dissolving non-polar substances (THC laden plant oils). And since there is no polar solvent like water involved, one should not have any polar substances in their extracted oil. Isopropyl is both polar and non-polar, plus often mixed with water. If one does an Isopropyl extraction they might want to do a final separation to get an oil that is more pure.
The best way to do this is to put your oil in water hot enough to melt it, put it in a jar and stir trying not to make it stick to the jar. Then allow water to cool until oil hardens and can be removed.
Now, it is possible that the extraction removes some finely powdered plant matter or the like. And it is possible that some water soluble substances are extracted simply by the mechanical action of your extraction. But this should be minute if you are extracting carefully using the right screen and so forth. Impurities in the butane are unlikely to be washed away because they are likely non-polar like the butane it self. Residue on a mirror is quite likely dust fro the air that attaches to the liquid and then deposits on the mirror. If it was an impurity of the butane it would likely be an oil of some type. Even a drop of distilled water placed on a mirror will leave a white spot.
Anyway, there could be something to this washing step but I would be surprised if it accomplished much over and above a well done extraction.
P.S. I think the OP will get a lot further in life spending more time learning how to communicate effectively and less time making honey oil. If you act ignorant, people will treat you that way, and if you do not demonstrate that you have respect for your self, you should not expect others to respect you.
What the OP is trying to do, or thinking he is doing is separating any potential polar substances from his non-polar oil.
The principle behind an oil extraction is that butane being a non-polar solvent is very good at dissolving non-polar substances (THC laden plant oils). And since there is no polar solvent like water involved, one should not have any polar substances in their extracted oil. Isopropyl is both polar and non-polar, plus often mixed with water. If one does an Isopropyl extraction they might want to do a final separation to get an oil that is more pure.
The best way to do this is to put your oil in water hot enough to melt it, put it in a jar and stir trying not to make it stick to the jar. Then allow water to cool until oil hardens and can be removed.
Now, it is possible that the extraction removes some finely powdered plant matter or the like. And it is possible that some water soluble substances are extracted simply by the mechanical action of your extraction. But this should be minute if you are extracting carefully using the right screen and so forth. Impurities in the butane are unlikely to be washed away because they are likely non-polar like the butane it self. Residue on a mirror is quite likely dust fro the air that attaches to the liquid and then deposits on the mirror. If it was an impurity of the butane it would likely be an oil of some type. Even a drop of distilled water placed on a mirror will leave a white spot.
Anyway, there could be something to this washing step but I would be surprised if it accomplished much over and above a well done extraction.
P.S. I think the OP will get a lot further in life spending more time learning how to communicate effectively and less time making honey oil. If you act ignorant, people will treat you that way, and if you do not demonstrate that you have respect for your self, you should not expect others to respect you.
rubberguard
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Im canadian living now in california for some time, Cali scene destroys anything Canada has going. I love the fact Budder blew up over in canada and was probably widely popularized over there before California even. Yes the shit existed but it was just on the low and people kept it as head smoke.
Now you can find budder in alot of clubs in Cali , i make a shit ton of it.
Im about to brak down 2 and half zones of some outdoor sourd D and see what i get. I have never washed it like such , i will possibly try it today as i know the water cant hurt anything.
Now you can find budder in alot of clubs in Cali , i make a shit ton of it.
Im about to brak down 2 and half zones of some outdoor sourd D and see what i get. I have never washed it like such , i will possibly try it today as i know the water cant hurt anything.
dankillerbs
Active Member
Everyone keeps asking whats to gain by washing with water?
When the better question is, whats to lose?
Dont knock it before you rock it friends!
When the better question is, whats to lose?
Dont knock it before you rock it friends!
gogrow
confused
because there is really NO reason to wash butane extracted honey oil..... enjoy my next post
gogrow
confused
this is from a company called eden labs.... you can read it in its entirety here...
http://www.edenlabs.org/supercritical_extraction.html\
Ethyl Alcohol or Ethanol- The majority of extracts are made with ethanol and it is the most widely accepted method in use. There are many ways of extracting with alcohol but high pressure is the best. It is faster, does a more thorough job and requires less alcohol per volume of herb than other methods. It is a good idea to purchase vacuum distillation equipment with your high pressure alcohol extractor so that you can remove alcohol from the extract. High pressure alcohol equipment can also utilize compressed water which is very effective in many cases.
Propane- There is a little known school of thought in the natural products industry which believes that propane is the ultimate solvent for extracting botanicals. Eden Labs has tested this theory thoroughly and we have come to the conclusion that there is something to it. Although propane cannot be as widely manipulated through temp. and pressure as CO2, it produces very similar results, sometimes better. It has an amazingly small loading ratio 1-4 volumes and it can be recovered quickly. This means much faster production times. It leaves no toxic residues and it is an all natural, organic solvent. The material data safety sheet, MSDS, says it is harmless except for the fact that is flammable. Because it works at relatively low pressures, 80-150 psi, the technology costs much less than a full supercritical CO2 system and can be very competitive in terms of quality and speed of production.
The downsides to propane is that it is highly flammable so precautions such as sparkless rooms with powerful ventilation are a must. The fact that is is not widely understood or accepted can also be an issue.
Butane/IsoButane- In some cases where propane doesn't do the job, butane works better. It has all the pros and cons of propane and requires identical equipment for utilization.
Dimethyl Ether- This is the ultimate extraction solvent. It strips everything out of plant material almost instantly. All of the same equipment and precautions as propane should be used as it is also highly flammable. Has a vapor pressure slightly above propane.
R134a and other refrigerant gases- There has been a lot of talk in recent years about using R134a and related gases in natural product isolation. Our experience has shown that R134a has similar extraction properties to low pressure CO2. It works better than anything for isolating fragrance and perfume essences.
The downsides are that it becomes highly toxic if overheated and there a number of conflicting patent and intellectual property claims regarding its use.
emphasis on the bold and underlined parts...... there is no need to wash it
http://www.edenlabs.org/supercritical_extraction.html\
Ethyl Alcohol or Ethanol- The majority of extracts are made with ethanol and it is the most widely accepted method in use. There are many ways of extracting with alcohol but high pressure is the best. It is faster, does a more thorough job and requires less alcohol per volume of herb than other methods. It is a good idea to purchase vacuum distillation equipment with your high pressure alcohol extractor so that you can remove alcohol from the extract. High pressure alcohol equipment can also utilize compressed water which is very effective in many cases.
Propane- There is a little known school of thought in the natural products industry which believes that propane is the ultimate solvent for extracting botanicals. Eden Labs has tested this theory thoroughly and we have come to the conclusion that there is something to it. Although propane cannot be as widely manipulated through temp. and pressure as CO2, it produces very similar results, sometimes better. It has an amazingly small loading ratio 1-4 volumes and it can be recovered quickly. This means much faster production times. It leaves no toxic residues and it is an all natural, organic solvent. The material data safety sheet, MSDS, says it is harmless except for the fact that is flammable. Because it works at relatively low pressures, 80-150 psi, the technology costs much less than a full supercritical CO2 system and can be very competitive in terms of quality and speed of production.
The downsides to propane is that it is highly flammable so precautions such as sparkless rooms with powerful ventilation are a must. The fact that is is not widely understood or accepted can also be an issue.
Butane/IsoButane- In some cases where propane doesn't do the job, butane works better. It has all the pros and cons of propane and requires identical equipment for utilization.
Dimethyl Ether- This is the ultimate extraction solvent. It strips everything out of plant material almost instantly. All of the same equipment and precautions as propane should be used as it is also highly flammable. Has a vapor pressure slightly above propane.
R134a and other refrigerant gases- There has been a lot of talk in recent years about using R134a and related gases in natural product isolation. Our experience has shown that R134a has similar extraction properties to low pressure CO2. It works better than anything for isolating fragrance and perfume essences.
The downsides are that it becomes highly toxic if overheated and there a number of conflicting patent and intellectual property claims regarding its use.
emphasis on the bold and underlined parts...... there is no need to wash it
dankillerbs
Active Member
bubble hash has a LOT more plant matter and other impurities other than THC which will lead to mold under the right conditions... Im thinking the high THC content of oil would totally prevent anything funky from growing... but maybe im wrong... But personally I have used warm water poured directly on my oil for years to make for an easier collection and have never had ANY go bad... but maybe I just smoke it to fast....haha...
jberry
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there is nothing to lose, i have done it for over a decade and never had anything but good experiences... anyone who has tried it knows a quick wash with water will never make the oil mold... ive never even heard of moldy oil, has anyone else? not Bubble but Honey Oil.
but i do agree that the difference between rinsed oil and unrinsed oil is going to be minimum so if u dont want to try it then dont, but i know from experience that the oil wont mold.
but i do agree that the difference between rinsed oil and unrinsed oil is going to be minimum so if u dont want to try it then dont, but i know from experience that the oil wont mold.
dankillerbs
Active Member
"there is nothing to lose, i have done it for over a decade and never had anything but good experiences... anyone who has tried it knows a quick wash with water will never make the oil mold... ive never even heard of moldy oil, has anyone else? not Bubble but Honey Oil.
but i do agree that the difference between rinsed oil and unrinsed oil is going to be minimum so if u dont want to try it then dont, but i know from experience that the oil wont mold." -jberry
Exactly what I thought... water and oil dont mix... water and plant matter do
but i do agree that the difference between rinsed oil and unrinsed oil is going to be minimum so if u dont want to try it then dont, but i know from experience that the oil wont mold." -jberry
Exactly what I thought... water and oil dont mix... water and plant matter do
gogrow
confused
everyone on the other side of the fence seem to be ignoring the scientific/chemistry aspect of the subject.....i'm 43, been smoking since i was 18, i have never heard of rinsing my oil. so, ...
isn't thc an oil? and you see a film of oil on the surface of the water?
isn't terpene responsible for a lot of the smells and flavors? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terpene why would i want to remove that?
i am NOT arguing, simply trying to learn.
propane and butane are great solvents, that BOIL at room temp., and are completely safe, and dont strip out plant matter such as chlorophyll.... you people have yet to present qualitative evidence as to what/why you are "washing out"...... all you can say is "dont knock it if you havent tried it".....
its one of those odd parts of chemistry, that can be done by anyone at home, but at the same time, is advanced chemistry.....
in summation, I guess what i'm saying is how much more can you improve, practically, and at home, super-critical fluid extraction??
jberry
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"and dont strip out plant matter such as chlorophyll"
what is your source of information for such a statement?
it may not be in a lab but why dont you try running butane through the same batch over and over again and then tell me how it tastes okay?? it will definitely strip other stuff out
and how is youir side of the fence being scientific?? by saying im older and have more posts?
please teach me all the scientific facts you know about this subject!!