Climate in the 21st Century

Will Humankind see the 22nd Century?

  • Not a fucking chance

    Votes: 41 28.5%

  • Maybe. if we get our act together

    Votes: 35 24.3%

  • Yes, we will survive

    Votes: 68 47.2%
  • Total voters
    144
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Revolutionising power transmission.

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The energy transition solutions of the 21st Century will take many forms, with a complex mix of different power producers. Moving energy across ever greater distances will overcome much of the intermittency of renewables like wind and solar. The way we will achieve that is via truly mind boggling high voltage direct current transmission systems. The question is, can we manufacture them quickly enough?
 
Antidote Man

Antidote Man

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Our 'progress' is multiplying exponentially and even though our population increase has plateaued, things are only getting worse. You begin to get a clear picture of what's going on when you stand oh say above the Los Angeles valley and realize those millions of buildings and people, and electricity and sewers, etc was created and accomplished in 200 years. The planet is 4 billion years old! For millions upon millions of years there was nothing in the Los Angeles valley and now there are 4 million people there in just a few hundred years. And there are still rocks in the desert that have been sitting there for millions of years and have never been touched by a human hand. The facts are frightening.

Think of all those cities on the west coast, Seattle, San Francisco, all the smaller cities, same thing. Then move eastward - 300-350 years for all those cities like New York and Boston and then across the ocean, Rome, Cairo, Beijing, all built in mere thousands of years.. but its really in America that's a scary picture of what's going on. In 300 years where will we be?

More facts. The average person takes a shit once a day, that 8 billion shits everyday. There's going to be a day with more shit than soil. When I take my garbage out every few days I have to think, there will be a day when there's more garbage than there is soil.

We can switch our power to something better for the environment but the numbers still say the increase in human bodies and cost of keeping people alive and loss of sustainable habitat and climate change will do us in. We might be here in three hundred years but I'd be willing to bet not in 1,000.

I see a world where northern Canada and Siberia hold large populations of humans and parts of the earth aren't habitable at all..

And I see a world where we are gone and the insects rule the place, after they devour all of us...
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Antidote Man said:
Our 'progress' is multiplying exponentially and even though our population increase has plateaued, things are only getting worse. You begin to get a clear picture of what's going on when you stand oh say above the Los Angeles valley and realize those millions of buildings and people, and electricity and sewers, etc was created and accomplished in 200 years. The planet is 4 billion years old! For millions upon millions of years there was nothing in the Los Angeles valley and now there are 4 million people there in just a few hundred years. And there are still rocks in the desert that have been sitting there for millions of years and have never been touched by a human hand. The facts are frightening.

Think of all those cities on the west coast, Seattle, San Francisco, all the smaller cities, same thing. Then move eastward - 300-350 years for all those cities like New York and Boston and then across the ocean, Rome, Cairo, Beijing, all built in mere thousands of years.. but its really in America that's a scary picture of what's going on. In 300 years where will we be?

More facts. The average person takes a shit once a day, that 8 billion shits everyday. There's going to be a day with more shit than soil. When I take my garbage out every few days I have to think, there will be a day when there's more garbage than there is soil.

We can switch our power to something better for the environment but the numbers still say the increase in human bodies and cost of keeping people alive and loss of sustainable habitat and climate change will do us in. We might be here in three hundred years but I'd be willing to bet not in 1,000.

I see a world where northern Canada and Siberia hold large populations of humans and parts of the earth aren't habitable at all..

And I see a world where we are gone and the insects rule the place, after they devour all of us...
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A paragraph by paragraph rebuttal...
Why is that frightening?
Again, why is that a scary picture?
That's not how bacteria and decomposition work, what you suggest is impossible.
That's your feelings, and feelings are not even in the class of reliable sources of information.
That's quite possible. the population of the earth will soon drop to sustainable levels...But it's going to suck pretty bad for those that die to achieve that sustainability. Hopefully it will teach the survivors a much needed lesson.
We're killing the insects off just as fast, if not faster than we're killing animal species, there's no chance of them devouring all of us, more idle speculation based on feelings and not facts.
 
Ozumoz66

Ozumoz66

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
A paragraph by paragraph rebuttal...
Why is that frightening?
Again, why is that a scary picture?
That's not how bacteria and decomposition work, what you suggest is impossible.
That's your feelings, and feelings are not even in the class of reliable sources of information.
That's quite possible. the population of the earth will soon drop to sustainable levels...But it's going to suck pretty bad for those that die to achieve that sustainability. Hopefully it will teach the survivors a much needed lesson.
We're killing the insects off just as fast, if not faster than we're killing animal species, there's no chance of them devouring all of us, more idle speculation based on feelings and not facts.
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The biomass of arthropods is huge. Not certain they'll consume us though.

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Birds eat half a billion tons of insects annually yet the pesticides being sprayed are killing birds. Bird habitat is being destroyed (for the sake of another bushel), which increases crop damage by insects due to less birds. The solution is more pesticides. :wall:

www.sciencedaily.com

Birds eat 400 to 500 million tons of insects annually

Birds around the world eat 400 to 500 million metric tons of beetles, flies, ants, moths, aphids, grasshoppers, crickets and other anthropods per year. The research highlights the important role birds play in keeping plant-eating insect populations under control.
www.sciencedaily.com
 
Antidote Man

Antidote Man

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cannabineer said:
With this part I agree. We’ll be off-planet and throughout the Kuiper belt, and reaching into the high deserts of the Oortland.
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Are you saying my math is wrong? Remember, there are 8 billion pieces of shit being squeezed out of assholes each day. That's 2.9 trillion poos a year. Forget the little ones. To get an idea of the square footage of that would be fairly easy I should think, but a better analysis is figuring out the diameter of the collective pile and how high it might be, collected all in one spot.

If the average piece of shit is 7 inches long, 3/4 of an inch in diameter, the mass of all those shits could be calculated if given the appropriate input for how a similar pile of sand, or mud, or granola cerial can reach upright at a 40 degree angle.

I don't have the time to figure all this out, but you get me I think. We are churning out so much shit its almost unreal.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Antidote Man said:
Our 'progress' is multiplying exponentially and even though our population increase has plateaued, things are only getting worse. You begin to get a clear picture of what's going on when you stand oh say above the Los Angeles valley and realize those millions of buildings and people, and electricity and sewers, etc was created and accomplished in 200 years. The planet is 4 billion years old! For millions upon millions of years there was nothing in the Los Angeles valley and now there are 4 million people there in just a few hundred years. And there are still rocks in the desert that have been sitting there for millions of years and have never been touched by a human hand. The facts are frightening.

Think of all those cities on the west coast, Seattle, San Francisco, all the smaller cities, same thing. Then move eastward - 300-350 years for all those cities like New York and Boston and then across the ocean, Rome, Cairo, Beijing, all built in mere thousands of years.. but its really in America that's a scary picture of what's going on. In 300 years where will we be?

More facts. The average person takes a shit once a day, that 8 billion shits everyday. There's going to be a day with more shit than soil. When I take my garbage out every few days I have to think, there will be a day when there's more garbage than there is soil.

We can switch our power to something better for the environment but the numbers still say the increase in human bodies and cost of keeping people alive and loss of sustainable habitat and climate change will do us in. We might be here in three hundred years but I'd be willing to bet not in 1,000.

I see a world where northern Canada and Siberia hold large populations of humans and parts of the earth aren't habitable at all..

And I see a world where we are gone and the insects rule the place, after they devour all of us...
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Predicting the future is hard.

On a side note, animals have been shitting for 800 million years, give or take a few million. Nature has it's ways of recycling it. Mostly it goes into plants after microbes and fungi have had their fill.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Antidote Man said:
Are you saying my math is wrong? Remember, there are 8 billion pieces of shit being squeezed out of assholes each day. That's 2.9 trillion poos a year. Forget the little ones. To get an idea of the square footage of that would be fairly easy I should think, but a better analysis is figuring out the diameter of the collective pile and how high it might be, collected all in one spot.

If the average piece of shit is 7 inches long, 3/4 of an inch in diameter, the mass of all those shits could be calculated if given the appropriate input for how a similar pile of sand, or mud, or granola cerial can reach upright at a 40 degree angle.

I don't have the time to figure all this out, but you get me I think. We are churning out so much shit its almost unreal.
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On the shit front, Roger pointed out that shit is recycled by bacteria and fungi. It is not a durable commodity.

My main point is that with a long-enough view, single planets don’t really matter. In my more pleasant fantasies, man (and its children) leaves planetary Dodge for flatter spaces, and leaves robots behind to remove all traces of our industrial childhood, after we remove bits (the Pyramids, Chartres etc.) for the museums.

Planets are cradles.

We will show that we’ve grown up by cleaning up the place in which we were toddlers.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Antidote Man said:
Are you saying my math is wrong? Remember, there are 8 billion pieces of shit being squeezed out of assholes each day. That's 2.9 trillion poos a year. Forget the little ones. To get an idea of the square footage of that would be fairly easy I should think, but a better analysis is figuring out the diameter of the collective pile and how high it might be, collected all in one spot.

If the average piece of shit is 7 inches long, 3/4 of an inch in diameter, the mass of all those shits could be calculated if given the appropriate input for how a similar pile of sand, or mud, or granola cerial can reach upright at a 40 degree angle.

I don't have the time to figure all this out, but you get me I think. We are churning out so much shit its almost unreal.
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I haven't seen much math, mostly just simple arithmetic. But I can say with certainty that your science is not good.
 
Antidote Man

Antidote Man

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Fogdog said:
I haven't seen much math, mostly just simple arithmetic. But I can say with certainty that your science is not good.
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I was using shit as an example. I take out more garbage in a week than an equal pile of shit a week. Now do the arithmetic (math) on that.

If you go back to world population size 100, and 200 and 300 years ago, the increase is exponentially, like the cities have grown in size in America, and at this rate the planet will be done by the time we figure out how to live sustainably in outer space or some other planet.

I do believe 'slave' robots could do all of the jobs that people don't want to do and then the rest of us can relax and do what we want to do but it will never solve those other issues. We excrete the same energy that we use. There's no way around that.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Antidote Man said:
I was using shit as an example. I take out more garbage in a week than an equal pile of shit a week. Now do the arithmetic (math) on that.

If you go back to world population size 100, and 200 and 300 years ago, the increase is exponentially, like the cities have grown in size in America, and at this rate the planet will be done by the time we figure out how to live sustainably in outer space or some other planet.

I do believe 'slave' robots could do all of the jobs that people don't want to do and then the rest of us can relax and do what we want to do but it will never solve those other issues. We excrete the same energy that we use. There's no way around that.
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You’re still stuck in a planet-centric mindset.

Planets are cradles.
 
Antidote Man

Antidote Man

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cannabineer said:
You’re still stuck in a planet-centric mindset.

Planets are cradles.
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Okay. But none of the other cradles in our solar system can support human life, and the only ones that can aren't reachable with our technology, nor any technology we can accurately theorize. I cant accept there is realistically anywhere else to use as a cradle, especially in under 1000 years of technological advances.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Antidote Man said:
Okay. But none of the other cradles in our solar system can support human life, and the only ones that can aren't reachable with our technology, nor any technology we can accurately theorize. I cant accept there is realistically anywhere else to use as a cradle, especially in under 1000 years of technological advances.
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Once we are done with the cradle, the whole house (solar system out to 10k AU) is our playground.

Watch; wait; see.
 
printer

printer

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Antidote Man said:
I was using shit as an example. I take out more garbage in a week than an equal pile of shit a week. Now do the arithmetic (math) on that.

If you go back to world population size 100, and 200 and 300 years ago, the increase is exponentially, like the cities have grown in size in America, and at this rate the planet will be done by the time we figure out how to live sustainably in outer space or some other planet.

I do believe 'slave' robots could do all of the jobs that people don't want to do and then the rest of us can relax and do what we want to do but it will never solve those other issues. We excrete the same energy that we use. There's no way around that.
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Fertility rate, 2.1 is the replacement rate to keep the population stable. India 2.2, Indonesia 2.3, Iran 2.2, are getting close to breaking even. The rest of the countries have been "incorrectly" labelled "shit hole countries". I would guess their replacement rate might be higher than 2.1. From this it looks like developed countries run a deficit on replacement population.

1China1,439,323,7761.7
2India1,380,004,3852.2
3United States331,002,6511.8
4Indonesia273,523,6152.3
5Pakistan220,892,3403.6
6Brazil212,559,4171.7
7Nigeria206,139,5895.4
8Bangladesh164,689,3832.1
9Russia145,934,4621.8
10Mexico128,932,7532.1
11Japan126,476,4611.4
12Ethiopia114,963,5884.3
13Philippines109,581,0782.6
14Egypt102,334,4043.3
15Vietnam97,338,5792.1
16DR Congo89,561,4036.0
17Turkey84,339,0672.1
18Iran83,992,9492.2
19Germany83,783,9421.6
20Thailand69,799,9781.5
21United Kingdom67,886,0111.8
22France65,273,5111.9
23Italy60,461,8261.3
24Tanzania59,734,2184.9
25South Africa59,308,6902.4
www.worldometers.info

Population by Country (2024) - Worldometer

List of countries and dependencies in the world ranked by population, from the most populated. Growth rate, median age, fertility rate, area, density, population density, urbanization, urban population, share of world population.
www.worldometers.info www.worldometers.info

Or more fun, interactive map. Hover mouse over the country to see the rate. Just looking at the colors on the map says a lot.

 
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Sickofitall420247

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printer said:
Fertility rate, 2.1 is the replacement rate to keep the population stable. India 2.2, Indonesia 2.3, Iran 2.2, are getting close to breaking even. The rest of the countries have been "incorrectly" labelled "shit hole countries". I would guess their replacement rate might be higher than 2.1. From this it looks like developed countries run a deficit on replacement population.

1China1,439,323,7761.7
2India1,380,004,3852.2
3United States331,002,6511.8
4Indonesia273,523,6152.3
5Pakistan220,892,3403.6
6Brazil212,559,4171.7
7Nigeria206,139,5895.4
8Bangladesh164,689,3832.1
9Russia145,934,4621.8
10Mexico128,932,7532.1
11Japan126,476,4611.4
12Ethiopia114,963,5884.3
13Philippines109,581,0782.6
14Egypt102,334,4043.3
15Vietnam97,338,5792.1
16DR Congo89,561,4036.0
17Turkey84,339,0672.1
18Iran83,992,9492.2
19Germany83,783,9421.6
20Thailand69,799,9781.5
21United Kingdom67,886,0111.8
22France65,273,5111.9
23Italy60,461,8261.3
24Tanzania59,734,2184.9
25South Africa59,308,6902.4
www.worldometers.info

Population by Country (2024) - Worldometer

List of countries and dependencies in the world ranked by population, from the most populated. Growth rate, median age, fertility rate, area, density, population density, urbanization, urban population, share of world population.
www.worldometers.info www.worldometers.info


Or more fun, interactive map. Hover mouse over the country to see the rate. Just looking at the colors on the map says a lot.

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Such as? Maybe the Africans need to stop breeding so much?
 
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