Clone Bubbleponics -- Stem rot / dapping off -- Help needed

@athomegrowing I think the degree of blade sharpness is the least of my worry at the moment. The same scissor technique used with an aerocloner last round was a 100% success rate with 40 cuttings. What has me stumped in this change to the bubble cloner everyone raves about.

Lose the scissors
Lose all additives
Stop trying to use the same cuts
Wait 2 weeks
TA DA

jjng5 said:

@athomegrowing I think the degree of blade sharpness is the least of my worry at the moment. The same scissor technique used with an aerocloner last round was a 100% success rate. What has me stumped in this change to the bubble cloner everyone raves about.

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I’m running a bubbler cloner, and it really is fool proof. I didn’t let my stems sit in the water since that didn’t make sense.

You really shouldn’t use scissors. They crush the outside of the stem which is a two way transport tube. The edges of the stem are very important.

Okay, if it makes a difference. I obviously need something to press against to make the cut though, so aren't I still crushing the stem some? Will give it a go next time.

athomegrowing said:

I’m running a bubbler cloner, and it really is fool proof. I didn’t let my stems sit in the water since that didn’t make sense.

You really shouldn’t use scissors. They crush the outside of the stem which is a two way transport tube. The edges of the stem are very important.

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How often do you change the res?

jjng5 said:

How often do you change the res?

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I don't add anything and I add a little bleach every couple weeks
Same water allowing for evaporation for months

Herb & Suds said:

I don't add anything and I add a little bleach every couple weeks
Same water allowing for evaporation for months

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You don't get any pathogen growth in your bubble cloner??? I didn't change my res for 2 1/2 weeks and noticed an almost invisible fungus growing on the inside of the lid (which I know now is what causes stem rot damping off in many of the clones). Multiple coats of white krylon spray paint was used to help make the lid more light proof. Grr

jjng5 said:

You don't get any pathogen growth in your bubble cloner??? I didn't change my res for 2 1/2 weeks and noticed an almost invisible fungus growing on the inside of the lid (which I know now is what causes stem rot damping off in many of the clones). Multiple coats of white krylon spray paint was used to help make the lid more light proof. Grr

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Read my post I add bleach every couple weeks
Even when plants are present
KISS

aero cloner / tap water ( has chlorine/chloramine )
CFL/ Flouro @ 16 - 18 "
10 - 14 days of no fuckin' with
patience
99 - 100%

BobBitchen said:

aero cloner / tap water ( has chlorine/chloramine )
CFL/ Flouro @ 16 - 18 "
10 - 14 days of no fuckin' with
patience
99 - 100%

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All the same as me except I use bubble cloner. Every week or so I just add a little bit of h202 to help keep things in check. No res change for a month I can leave them in there, in the end I'll have long roots that have already started tangling together. Usually take most of them out at the 3rd week mark though.

jjng5 said:

Okay, if it makes a difference. I obviously need something to press against to make the cut though, so aren't I still crushing the stem some? Will give it a go next time.

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It's a razor blade. It will cut through most things you rub it across like a hot knife through margarine. Hold the stem between your fingers and slice on an angle.

I'm convinced that the entire crop of 60+ clones needs called. There's more clone casualties daily and upon closer inspection I pulled a few more that showed the beginnings of mushy stem. I have no idea how this shit got in the bubbler, but it's senseless to keep going thru pulling clones only to have the sick ones infect the healthy ones. The mothers are running out of clone shoots to take from too...

I figure on giving it until Friday and anything with established roots can get removed and transplanted and anything else gets scrapped. What do you think? I'm just wondering if it's worth going back to aeroponics since this was never an issue before. What do you guys think? ... I can't figure out which system is more painful... aero with all it's leak issues and difficulty to clean res or bubbler with this nonsense. Grrr

weekly res change
clean cuts
65-70degree, highly oxygenated water
a t5 or fluoro 12-16" away

you are just carrying the pathogens with your clones, into the next res change. You should run a set of clones, and not keep adding other clones gradually and instead you keep adding clones to the bad infected clones so even though you cleaned your bubbler its going to keep getting infected from your bad cuts that you didnt change the water for 2 1/2 weeks

take a batch of clones and change that water every week and no need for any BS. just be patient and dont be lazy trying to add shit there is no need for

and get rid of the dome you seem to be ignoring that you dont need a dome or misting

I don't know how an aerocloner would leak. The store bought ones don't leak. I got a store bought bubble cloner and couldn't make it work at all; different strokes for different folks.

70's natureboy said:

I don't know how an aerocloner would leak. The store bought ones don't leak. I got a store bought bubble cloner and couldn't make it work at all; different strokes for different folks.

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What's needed is a 60 + and most of those are near $300 which is crazy for a plastic bucket with a pump and sprayer heads. What's being used now is a shorter version of this container for a bubble cloner. Probably going to go to home depot and make sure the lids are interchangeable and then put my manifold with aero pump in this for the next run. I think part of the problem with bubbler cloners might be that on the lid water isn't constantly moving, it just lays damp in certain places on a bubble cloner increasing the chance of pathogen growth like was experienced... grrr

Save the headache of the DIY cloner !!
get a clone king...

Christ. Just buy a fucking bubbler cloner lid on ebay for $8 and put it on top of a black bucket. Why is this so drawn out and overcomplicated? Could you not be fucked to read anything on here? I imagine people are getting tired of spoonfeeding you, and you coming back with a new ridiculous question or invention every ten minutes.

Ouch. Take a deep breath my friend. This is what DIY is... obviously I've read and followed instructions in the construction and have valued others suggestions and hearing what has worked for them. No one enjoys having to throw out a tray of cutting... my apologies if my thinking out loud annoys you? This is frustrating for me, but I accept that as it's DIY. It's not life and death though.

Good luck man, I just skimmed through and although I'm not convinced it's the difference, I'd try the razor blade approach.

How much pool shock are you adding in? It seems unlikely if using pool shock that changing to H2O2 will have any noticeable difference. I'm leaning towards what you were saying about the bubbler being too stagnant or more "still" water contact, leading to mold growth (unless you have too high Cl levels).

Not to hijack the thread, but here I go anyways.

What's the general consensus on the post-successful use of a bubblers cleaning?

A bubbler with 2x 12" long Wally world cheapo airstones and 5x 2" netpots and collars? The cloner had clonex solution and Orca added to it once the roots struck. And won't be used for months again.

Also to the OP, I think you should listen to all the other brothers advice. No offense, not trying to be mean.

68-70°F water. Tap or RO water,plain with no additives.A couple of 23 watt cfl's, or a 40 watt florescent 10-14" away from the foliage. No humidity dome, no misting. Generally stable room temperatures thecloner is sited in. Once roots have struck add some clonex then or weak veg nutes. If your leaves are yellowing move the light a little higher and foliar feed like 1/4 strength veg nutes. Seriously it'll work. Just stop throwing new clones in a contaminated environment and let your mother's beef back up and start again. Good luck bro! It'll work!

Edit: Also I'm no expert,nor claim to be lol.