Clone only strains

bankcee said:

but say you found your pride and joy.. can't you take two cuttings of that and then use colloidal silver to grow sacks and pollinate one? to create feminized seeds of your fave pheno?

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Yeah, you could totally do that, I think a lot of people just like the speed of cloning. I think it's much easier to do than start seeds once you get a reliable method down. Seeds are great for mobility though, if you want to send genetics around long distances, I would definitely recommend doing a s1.

And don't let anyone tell you that seeds made from feminized pollen are unstable, that's not how plants work. S1s are crucial, you need to do some reversals to stabilize the phenotype before doing, say, like a reversal back onto a parent. You can be very successful with that method, much better than going by regular generational cycles in some cases.

91 cem( big one that's getting cloned and flowered as soon as it out of isolation ) pit bull( back left ) 89 romulan ( back center) white diesel ( back right ) forumcookies ( front left ) and pink lemonade ( front right )

lol this chemdawg review from leafy :

"Dawg. Now hear me out. You're elegantly floating through space and time while receiving a mad hand job. You look down and see that the hand job is, in fact, coming from a small nug of chemdawg. Frightened, the nug hops away leaving a trail of residue from his many trichomes. The trichomes suddenly start forming a cocoon around your body until you are completely surrounded in a blanket of kief. You blink, as one tends to do, and you find that you've emerged from this cocoon as a nug yourself. A nug of- that's right- chemdawg. DAWG. The weed becomes you, or better yet, you become the weed. I am a ribbon."

few pics of the F-cut @ 34 days

kgp said:

Well I must not be a GOOD grower but I've grown real Chem d. Ironically those that know how to really grow it never had it. From my experience Chem crosses don't show variegation. I seen it more in veg. Here's a pic of real Chem d grown by yours truly.

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Well what's you guys opinion? It looks close to kgp's even looks like that same finger is trying to be funky. Ready to get it up potted and flowered to know for certain

Queece said:

And don't let anyone tell you that seeds made from feminized pollen are unstable, that's not how plants work. S1s are crucial, you need to do some reversals to stabilize the phenotype before doing, say, like a reversal back onto a parent. You can be very successful with that method, much better than going by regular generational cycles in some cases.

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I'm completely lost lol the whole reversal and so terms flipped me upside down

Well, you reverse a plant by taking a mother and a father, producing seeds, and then taking say a male from the seed crop and crossing it with the mother. It's just incest, essentially. Helps stabilize what you want in a crop, and you do that five times (according to DJ Short) and you have a "commercialized seed". It'll basically only throw one pheno, like most of Dutch Passion's selection will really only grow one or two ways, all of the beans you pop will finish around the same time. If you don't use a commercialized seed crop, you might have 1/3 of your garden ready two weeks before the other 2/3, etc.

Queece said:

Well, you reverse a plant by taking a mother and a father, producing seeds, and then taking say a male from the seed crop and crossing it with the mother. It's just incest, essentially. Helps stabilize what you want in a crop, and you do that five times (according to DJ Short) and you have a "commercialized seed". It'll basically only throw one pheno, like most of Dutch Passion's selection will really only grow one or two ways, all of the beans you pop will finish around the same time. If you don't use a commercialized seed crop, you might have 1/3 of your garden ready two weeks before the other 2/3, etc.

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That is wrong from the very beginning. That is a first generation back cross. If you crossed two of the offspring you would have an in line bread. If you take a female and using one of many methods turn it male that is a reversal. You take said pollen and hit an identical clone you get a s1. You take the same pollen and hit a different female and you have a feminized cross.

bankcee said:

I'm completely lost lol the whole reversal and so terms flipped me upside down

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Look at the above post buddy and that is your answer

Dr.D81 said:

That is wrong from the very beginning. That is a first generation back cross. If you crossed two of the offspring you would have an in line bread. If you take a female and using one of many methods turn it male that is a reversal. You take said pollen and hit an identical clone you get a s1. You take the same pollen and hit a different female and you have a feminized cross.

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man i was telling you this guys a troll ... 5 years of collage on him too ... lolz
glad you caught this shit . he's all talking backcrossing ....lolz
lets do some s2's of the chem lines and SVF's we got and see if tom hill is right about triangle kush

See I've heard people call reversals "X plant back to it's parent", while I know that's a BX, I guess my confusion is people calling the act of changing the sex a reversal. Also what you should be doing. Here's my method:

1.Pop seeds
2.remove males
3.take clones of all females
4.Flower the mothers
5.Make the clones of good mothers into mothers
6.take clones of the new clone mothers
7.put one clone into flower 10-14 days before the rest of your breeding partners
8.CS application to a female clone from the same mother the same day as the other plant gets flipped early.
9.Wait until anthers form before introducing the feminized pollen producing male to the flowering females.
10. Collect the feminized offspring, grow that out, and really isolate the phenotype you're looking for. Repeat until desired results are achieved, probably 2-5 generations.

Finally I always like to do a BX to the parent male just to have the proper chromosomal make-up in the event that I would want to out-cross. Seeds made from feminized pollen aren't any more likely to be intersex than any other plant, plants that herm can be regular or feminized. My goal is to have the female seed-bearing plants to be pollinated around day 11-14 of flip, whatever schedule I use to collect female pollen doesn't really matter. The day you pollinate is the difference between 300 and 3000 seeds. And always pollinate at the node, I use an inoculation loop to be as precise as possible.

And never keep your pollen in the freezer, I see people do that a lot. Cool and dry place, in a paper bag. Any condensation or moisture buildup destroys pollen activity. So if you ever want to keep a male plant from dropping pollen all over the room and fucking everything up, keep it wet. Mist the plant several times a day, it's like hosing down a construction site to keep dust from blinding people on the road.

Joedank said:

man i was telling you this guys a troll ... 5 years of collage on him too ... lolz
glad you caught this shit . he's all talking backcrossing ....lolz
lets do some s2's of the chem lines and SVF's we got and see if tom hill is right about triangle kush

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I am already doing it. Been thinking about that shit since we talked.

@Dr.D81

In making your F2s, how do.you choose a good F1 male?

Do you only pollinate the best females from F1 with pollen from one male, or would you choose all the best males and mix their pollen together and pollinate that way?

I want to give myself a nice F2 gen to work with, and I'm thinking that using a few of the best males will give me more variability, but I also won't know which stud did what...

What say you?

Queece said:

And never keep your pollen in the freezer, I see people do that a lot. Cool and dry place, in a paper bag. Any condensation or moisture buildup destroys pollen activity. So if you ever want to keep a male plant from dropping pollen all over the room and fucking everything up, keep it wet. Mist the plant several times a day, it's like hosing down a construction site to keep dust from blinding people on the road.

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I would give up regurgitating information you don't understand in a failed attempt to convince us you are some kind of weed expert

a senile fungus said:

@Dr.D81

In making your F2s, how do.you choose a good F1 male?

Do you only pollinate the female from F1 with pollen from one male, or would you choose all the best males and mix their pollen together and pollinate that way?

I want to give myself a nice F2 gen to work with, and I'm thinking that using a few of the best males will give me more variability, but I also won't know which stud did what...

What say you?

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I pick two males and make half for one and half from the other. I like having two as males don't always pass on the traits you want

Dr.D81 said:

I pick two males and make half for one and half from the other. I like having two as males don't always pass on the traits you want

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Thank you! Makes sense... And that way you can track which stud contributed which traits...

A guy ( thanks, you know who you are!) has passed me along a breeding project. I've got a bunch of F1s. I'm going to cross them and make F2s and start seeing what phenos are in the selection. I'd like my F2 to be as varied as possible to increase my phenotypic variability.

Thanks again

Yeah, like how you've been objectively wrong about everything you've tried to call me out for thus far. You're a joke, and your weed looks like garbage. Yeah, I really don't know what I'm doing, please. Any amateur can tell by a simple visual inspection that the quality of my herb makes yours look like babbage. Again, check back a few pages, you got served hard young man.

Please, Mr. Expert, lets see some pictures of your best larf. Oh wow, you breed, how cool. You're a pedant, I hope you know, and being a "celebrity" on a weed forum doesn't mean shit to me. I've never heard about you off RIU, if you knew what you were doing, maybe people that aren't personal friends of yours would grow your beans.

There is absolutely no reason to talk to someone like that, especially when they're disseminating information for a community's benefit. You should be ashamed of yourself. If you don't like me, fine. If you don't like my information, please correct it. It's science, not a popularity contest.