Clones Not Rooting

Bernie420 said:

Stop it with the tea FFS. You dont have any microbes to break the organic shit down so its available to the plant and you dont have any roots to uptake the shit that the microbes break down so its available to the plant anyways. .

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I thought when you bubble/brew tea you were generating and breeding microbes and draining 1/4 - 1/2 of the ezcloners Rez with every application keeps the qty of broken down materials to a healthy minimum.

I have a bit of UC Roots left over which is expensive clearRez and I trust this forums members and have already established I’m no expert with my OP so I’ll do a sterile test run using physan 20 beforehand and then UC Roots as water treatment. I’m just not sure how much or how often I should put it in. The bottle system 5-10ml per gallon but like I said I’ve had bad luck. What should I do if the cloner starts to smell bad even though the plants stems are okay? Stay the course or add a little more uc roots in qty or frequency or both?

I also would like to thank everyone again. This is the furthest and best turnout I have ever had.

Renfro said:

I am not recommending this but once my clones have roots I start splashing them with full strength nutes at around 1000 - 1100 PPM and a hydro pH of 5.8 since they don't have any medium except the rapid rooter. They love it and for me it's easy lol. I don't know why it works for me but it does. Perhaps it's because I take large cuttings off fat tops and I don't cut off all the leaves or nodes instead dipping them in an antiwilt solution and doming them. Once they get roots I open the vents in the dome to start hardening them and I give them food and move them closer to the light.

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I have been thinking about some of the ppms that you throw out and I'm having a hard time comprehending. If I go over 1200ppm on a 2ft plant in mid bloom I'll burn it. I use a 700ppm scale. I never go over 1000ppm lately and my results have improved. I see people throw out really high numbers all the time, but that has never worked for me.

Therrion said:

I have been thinking about some of the ppms that you throw out and I'm having a hard time comprehending. If I go over 1200ppm on a 2ft plant in mid bloom I'll burn it. I use a 700ppm scale. I never go over 1000ppm lately and my results have improved.

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I have thought about that also. Some growers would be over fertilizing with those #'s IMO.
My guess is that it works for him because he is dialed in and grows massive plants compared to the rest of us.
That's my guess.

Therrion said:

I have been thinking about some of the ppms that you throw out and I'm having a hard time comprehending. If I go over 1200ppm on a 2ft plant in mid bloom I'll burn it. I use a 700ppm scale. I never go over 1000ppm lately and my results have improved. I see people throw out really high numbers all the time, but that has never worked for me.

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Every grow is different for sure. I try lower numbers and I get problems. I think it has a lot to do with strain of course but also environment. If one is pushing a cuts metabolism harder (temp/co2/light/water usage are all up) then feed needs to be up when compared to a grow thats not pushing as hard. Now if any one of those things is out of balance then you start to see problems. Having dialed in my rooms to really push the plants as hard as I have figured out how to do, I need the higher feed to keep all the numbers in line. As flowering progresses I am raising the PPM and the other numbers initially and at the end I am bringing them back down. When a grower has all their numbers dialed in for a strain the results can be amazing. The more strains you put in the mix the more of a compromise things become.

When I say compromise, some strains are perfectly fed, others a little light perhaps on one specific nutrient at a certain point in time, others maybe a little tip burn... When pushing plants really hard the pH becomes super critical as the plants need easy access to stuff. For example, I move my plants from veg rooms to flowering rooms to veg more. Same feed but more intense light and warmer and higher CO2 levels. If the pH is off on any of the soil's then it will show up fast as a nute deficiency while it wasn't an issue in the veg room because the plants weren't being pushed as hard they got 'enough' feed despite the pH limiting uptake. Usually shows on magnesium first. Fix the medium pH is all it takes to get them happy until I start dialing up the lights, co2, temp more... Then I need to add another couple hundred PPM.

Basically there is much less forgiveness on the feed PPM and pH the harder you are pushing the plants.

Kushash said:

I have thought about that also. Some growers would be over fertilizing with those #'s IMO.
My guess is that it works for him because he is dialed in and grows massive plants compared to the rest of us.
That's my guess.

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My room is really dialed in . I just got my first 2g/w. Maybe it's just my strains.

Therrion said:

My room is really dialed in . I just got my first 2g/w. Maybe it's just my strains.

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No, I didn't mean you specifically about being dialed in, I meant Renfro grows bigger plants in general.
Adding CO2 is playing a roll and most don't use CO2.

Have you seen his thread.

I don't know of anyone else getting 40 lbs with 12 plants.

Woody purple stems are harder to clone anyways. I grow them out more till theres soft green growth.

Kushash said:

No, I didn't mean you specifically about being dialed in, I meant Renfro grows bigger plants in general.
Adding CO2 is playing a roll and most don't use CO2.

Have you seen his thread.

40+ lbs with 12 Plants in 2 Rooms on a Flip

Here is a day 50 shot of some glue. A few leaning colas about to lay down on the trellis to bask in the light, as some others already have.

www.rollitup.org

I don't know of anyone else getting 40 lbs with 12 plants.

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I have seen it and I use co2 in a sealed room. I don't have the time nor the space to maintain a garden that big. His power bill alone would have the police knocking on my door. I don't understand your point. My original inquiry was wondering how he runs ppm so high without burning. I run perfect VPD. My ph goes in at 5.8 and the run off is 6.0 with every watering.

Therrion said:

I have seen it and I use co2 in a sealed room. I don't have the time nor the space to maintain a garden that big. His power bill alone would have the police knocking on my door. I don't understand your point. My original inquiry was wondering how he runs ppm so high without burning. I run perfect VPD. My ph goes in at 5.8 and the run off is 6.0 with every watering.

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No problem.
My text obviously doesn't read the way I meant it.
Happy Growing!