Clones

youraveragehorticulturist said:

Can you trust those guys? A dude who sold seeds might be more likely to tell you that clones lose vigor.

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Lol Can you trust Bodhi this guy asks.
Never met the man and probably never will but Id trust him with my children. Little but of research and you will see

Thc-ch-ef said:

I kept the same 2 strains going for 3 years, kept the mom of each strain a year before budding her and replacing with one of her babies. The first moms were grown from seed, never noticed any difference what so ever throughout the three years. Smoke was always as good.

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3 years is nothing. Most people dont start talking about genetics degrading until after a decade or two.

The more you clone the more potency lost

Also depending on the ago of the mother.

Clones are clones. I think there's probably an argument that in some conditions seeds will produce more yield, as they make a tap root and can gather nutrients more efficiently. However, when we grow indoors we give our plants easy access to nutrients anyhow so I can't imagine it makes _that_ much difference in these circumstances.

I think more likely than genetics "degrading" after just a few runs with one phenotype, other changing grow conditions are leading to a reduction in yield. Maybe the temperature is off or the training is different, something that has changed other than the genetics.

Craigson said:

Lol Can you trust Bodhi this guy asks.
Never met the man and probably never will but Id trust him with my children. Little but of research and you will see

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This is true, Bodhi is really well respected. I was just joking around, like there was some kind of conspiracy, stirring up some B.S. Bad-mouthing Bodhi seeds was an accident.

JimmyDeezNutz said:

The more you clone the more potency lost

Also depending on the ago of the mother.

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Who told you this?

a mongo frog said:

Who told you this?

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Someone who doesnt know.

JoeBlow5823 said:

I notice seed plants seem to be the only ones to put on GIANT fan leaves. Those bigass fans store lots of energy for the plant down the road. Seems like they go through a more natural growth process than clones.

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Not true my clones have leaves with 9 and eleven blades on them and are as big as you're hand...

I got a random question?
Anyone ever had a clone bleach out like this?? It’s literally peach and cream and light pink. It’s alive and starting to green up now. It’s gonna live for sure just weird?? Never seen this happen before. Only yellow a bit.
One pic under the burple othe normal light
Makes me think of some flower on an alien planet of something

Thc-ch-ef said:

I got a random question?
Anyone ever had a clone bleach out like this?? It’s literally peach and cream and light pink. It’s alive and starting to green up now. It’s gonna live for sure just weird?? Never seen this happen before. Only yellow a bit.
One pic under the burple othe normal light
Makes me think of some flower on an alien planet of something

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Is it rooted or rooting?

Roots fully out of jiffy puck when planted as I normally do. It’s greening up, you can see it at the nodes. So it’s definitely going to live. I’ve just never had a clone bleach out like that before??? Have any of you?

Romeo7701 said:

Not true my clones have leaves with 9 and eleven blades on them and are as big as you're hand...

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Im talking leaves significantly bigger than a hand.

a mongo frog said:

Who told you this?

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Common knowledge plants get old like people.

JimmyDeezNutz said:

Common knowledge plants get old like people.

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I don't follow? This is a thread about clones?

Thc-ch-ef said:

I got a random question?
Anyone ever had a clone bleach out like this?? It’s literally peach and cream and light pink. It’s alive and starting to green up now. It’s gonna live for sure just weird?? Never seen this happen before. Only yellow a bit.
One pic under the burple othe normal light
Makes me think of some flower on an alien planet of something

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Lol this is it now 5 days later. An ugly lil bitch but lot of green now. I knew it would live but that strange bleaching/pink/peachy colour was weird. ?? I’d never had or seen a clone do that before. Looks like alien or strange deep sea plant.

People have clones probably older than most of the posters here. I mean just think of it logically. You take a clone off a plant and grow it out and grow them together...besides structure are they any different? Why would that ever change unless a virus or disease got ahold of it. The genetics don’t change.

Thc-ch-ef said:

Lol this is it now 5 days later. An ugly lil bitch but lot of green now. I knew it would live but that strange bleaching/pink/peachy colour was weird. ?? I’d never had or seen a clone do that before. Looks like alien or strange deep sea plant.

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Ive seen this before,i think too much humidity when it was rooting.Not 100% sure though.

myke said:

Ive seen this before,i think too much humidity when it was rooting.Not 100% sure though.

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Maybe??
She’s freaky looking but growing 100%. Just wait till her roots hit all the organic goodness I amended that soil with. Mycorrhizae included

Coalcat said:

People have clones probably older than most of the posters here. I mean just think of it logically. You take a clone off a plant and grow it out and grow them together...besides structure are they any different? Why would that ever change unless a virus or disease got ahold of it. The genetics don’t change.

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I wonder if some of this comes from the Dolly the sheep cloning experiments, or if it predates this. There was some scientific discussion of DNA aging in animal clones. This obviously doesn't relate to plants directly, but I suppose this could support a theory of molecular age and degradation over time.

I'm searching for actual plant studies on similar topics. Best way to un-bro-science something is to find actual scientists doing actual peer reviewed science.

Here's some Dolly info, first section discusses Telemere length and molecular age.

Just look at grapes. Grapes for wine are a usually clones. The plants get to be older and woody so they clone and restart. There are probably grapes that are hundreds of years old. Plants are very different from animals. You can’t cut off an arm and grow a human.