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hippy132

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Sounds like you could have seasoned the nail already with the bits you lost:) Chuck that glass thing tae fuk man. It's kind of like a Spanish tent, "doesn't do what it says on the tin!"
To season your nail. Heat the nail until super red hot. Have a small glass of water on the side, using plyers or something, dip the hot nail into the water. Then heat and do 2 dabs, without inhaling, then you are ready to go.....
Hey I dont inhale anything, but how do you get hi?
 

moondance

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Seems like a pretty good deal. Your staying near the airport right? I wonder how much it would be for me since my hotel is so close to the dispensaries. Hell they can just drop me off, I'll find my way. I have a local homie that should be there a few days before me. We're gonna have a blast, bro.
I guess for that weekend they are adding tax on, initially 40 wake up today now 75, fuck it I am still going to do it, be a rock star and go in style. I still get 10% off my dispensary visit. We are defiantly going to have a blast.
 

moondance

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I researched the fact that I had to season my nail, rig whatever - still didn't work very well - I went back to topping bowls with my hash, then I ran out (of hash) weird. I should have a good amount of dry sift and water hash after the run going now.

Quick newbie question when pollinating a bunch of girls with a male is a fan in front of it plenty or should I like drag the male tops over the girls tops hehe I love it when it sounds so dirty. Thanks MD
 

DST

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What is the scientific thought behind seasoning the nail? I just go straight from purchase to smoking.
Oh don't get started on all that scientific shit again, lol.....I would hazard a guess at it being like seasoning a good pan, or something to do with making the taste of what you smoke nicer when you start smoking it, the nails are manufactured in some way, and probably not cleaned...who knows. I done it because of a guy I know form the US who has been dabbing for some time was over when I got my first nail....the fukkin sheep that I am!:)
 

moondance

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What they say is that it will create a friction base in the nail so the DAB doesn't roll around, so you get the hit without chasing the dab around. Still not for me lol.
 

giggles26

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The purpose of seasoning the nail is to remove any metallic taste that may come across when heating metal. It will also remove the polish. It's just like seasoning a good cast iron pan like @DST said.

I love to dab, especially low temp dabs with carb cap. The tastes are out of this world!!
 

shishkaboy

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What they say is that it will create a friction base in the nail so the DAB doesn't roll around, so you get the hit without chasing the dab around. Still not for me lol.
I dont know about dabbing, but I do know a little about the transference of heat, from soldering components. It seems to me that a clean piece of metal would get hotter faster.
If your soldering iron isnt cleaned with flux, it just wont get hot enough to melt the metal.
Not sure how any of this matters tho, just tryna stay relevant.
 

RM3

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I researched the fact that I had to season my nail, rig whatever - still didn't work very well - I went back to topping bowls with my hash, then I ran out (of hash) weird. I should have a good amount of dry sift and water hash after the run going now.

Quick newbie question when pollinating a bunch of girls with a male is a fan in front of it plenty or should I like drag the male tops over the girls tops hehe I love it when it sounds so dirty. Thanks MD
empty bread bag (plastic bag bread comes in) put over branch, twist tie the open end closed around the branch. small hole in end, place pollen in straw, insert straw in hole blow on straw. If using different pollen for different branches,,,change straw & bag

If you want lots of seeds, and only usin one male a fan works great
 

moondance

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I dont know about dabbing, but I do know a little about the transference of heat, from soldering components. It seems to me that a clean piece of metal would get hotter faster.
If your soldering iron isnt cleaned with flux, it just wont get hot enough to melt the metal.
Not sure how any of this matters tho, just tryna stay relevant.
I'm thinking something in the make up of the titanium makes it heat slower and dissipate quick, not sure on the make up. Damn now I got look it up shit. I do like the sizzler up take rigs I could use that I bet.
 

HydroGp

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from highly educated TI blog
You want to know the secret to proper seasoning?

Paint the oil on at a fairly mild temperature. Dropping larger amounts on super heated surfaces is less effective as the material tends to vaporize before it has an opportunity to season.

The reason most people have a bad experience with brand new titanium is because they get it way too hot. Titanium and glass have relatively low thermal conductivity levels when compared to materials such as aluminum, steel, or copper. Low thermal conductivity means that it takes longer for the energy to travel through the material, therefore materials with low thermal conductivity also take a longer amount of time to lose that energy, or, cool down.

Borosilicate glass, and quartz alike, have relatively low thermal conductivity values; their values are 1.14 W/(m·K) for borosilicate and 1.3 W/(m·K) for quartz. Pure titanium, in comparison, has a value of 21.9 W/(m·K). What does this mean? Well, for one it means that everyone who told you titanium retains heat better than quartz or glass was wrong, myself included as I have said it in the past without researching it (egg all over my face). Titanium merely heats up faster.

Its easy to see why we could incorrectly assume titanium retains heat longer than glass or quartz because with daily use we notice the titanium gets much hotter after 30 seconds of heating than the glass does. This isn’t because the glass couldn’t retain the heat, its because the glass wasn’t heated long enough to get to temperature in the first place due to its low thermal conductivity value. Look at those numbers again, you would probably want to torch glass or quartz at least 5x longer if not more to reach the same temperature levels you reach with titanium. So the fallacy we have heard so often that “titanium retains heat better than boro or quartz” needs to be corrected to “titanium has a higher thermal conductivity value than boro or quartz”.
I explained all of that so that we could get back to discussing seasoning.

People get brand new titanium way too hot. The thermal conductivity allows it to get hot very quickly and it can still retain heat very well as many of you already know. Dont let the 21.9 value fool you into thinking it cant retain heat, its still relatively low when compared to other high conductor metals like aluminum (237). This means you will need to allow a significant amount of time for your nail to cool before applying your seasoning material.

For the seasoning process to work best the metal needs to be cooled below the materialsleidenfrost point. The leidenfrost point may be slightly different for each material being used and also the vaporization surface is an actual variable. In a study to determine waters leidenfrost point a group determined it to be at 339.8º F for a polished surface, and 505.4º F for a rough surface. This means that with a brand new ti nail there is going to be a much lower temperature point at which your material will experience the leidenfrost effect. This effectively prevents it from being able to season the titanium. The only effect it seems to yield is slightly roughing the surface.

That group study remarked

“Surface deposits left from previous drops tend to serve as vapor nucleation sources when making contact with newly deposited drops. It is intuitively obvious that surface contamination from previous drops will act to increase the roughness on a polished surface”.[source]

So what temperature should you apply it at for best seasoning? Its hard to say an exact number as I haven’t conducted thorough experiments with controlled variables. Water boils around 212º F depending on atmospheric pressure, it’s critical point is 705º F, and it was experiencing the leidenfrost at temperatures as low as 339.8º F on a polished surface. If I were to guess I would say essential oils probably have a slightly higher leidenfrost point than water, but that is only a guess, and I would assume painting and spreading oil on a brand new nail around 400-700º F will season it much more effectively than temperatures exceeding that.

tl;dr

Titanium doesnt retain heat longer than quartz or glass. You’re getting it too hot when you season it.
 

moondance

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Cool this will be my first not by accident seed run, I will let them do what they do! Thank you. Sweet I should be harvesting both tents just after I get back from Colorado.
 

Dezracer

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When going for lots of seeds, I usually stick both male and female in a big trash bag. Once sealed up, I shake the male around real good and leave it be for a few days. When I remove the female from the bag I spray with water to help avoid accidental dusting of the rest of my plants that are in the flower room. A large enough clear trash bag would work great but I always have the black ones on hand. I get lots of seeds this way.

When doing individual branches or buds, I use a bag method similar to RM3 or a makeup brush. I just never thought of using a straw.
 

RM3

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When going for lots of seeds, I usually stick both male and female in a big trash bag. Once sealed up, I shake the male around real good and leave it be for a few days. When I remove the female from the bag I spray with water to help avoid accidental dusting of the rest of my plants that are in the flower room. A large enough clear trash bag would work great but I always have the black ones on hand. I get lots of seeds this way.

When doing individual branches or buds, I use a bag method similar to RM3 or a makeup brush. I just never thought of using a straw.
I use a makeup brush, when I just want a few seeds
 

moondance

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I got the two grows separated by two floors in the house, I was thinking of rubbing the tops with the male tops easy enough for me to do. I got a fan right in front of it blowing on the girls I think we will have an awesome amount of seeds, that's the plan for that tent. Next run has a QQ male and 6 girls, all doing well. Clones are going to have to be re potted soon.
 
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