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Fogdog

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Bugeye said:
I doubled the size of my gh this past year and dropped my plant count to 5. Now I have room for a cigar lounge, dab bar, and water feature in my greenhouse while still pulling 10 elbows. Like you, I don't sell. Number one question from every visitor, why do I need so much then? Sort of a weird question I think, but everyone asks it.

A lot of reasons why I do, but at the heart of it is taking the rules that have been put in place and pushing them as far as I can while staying legal. Feels good after watching our gov fuck people over for pot for my whole life.
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rkymtnman

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Fogdog said:
For sure. My legal four outdoors cost me about 70 bucks to grow and produced almost 7 pounds, enough to last me 60 years at my lightweight one-hit-done rate of consumption. I'm turning a lot of it into edible coco-oil and hash for long term freezer storage. I can't sell but can gift. Nobody is going to have to go to the dispensary very soon. We just give it away.

I really can't empathize with people who feel this is somehow unfair. Get a growing license if you want to scale up to commercial quantities. Don't fuck us up by sneaking around the regulations and going black market. Someday weed will be treated like home-brewing. Until that day, stick to the state regs and don't give the Feds an excuse to roll up the state systems.

Last year it was Indica. Next year it will be a Sativa-leaning hybrid. After that, I'm not sure. Not saying I grow the best fire, just saying it tastes really good, is really strong, costs next to nothing and I know what was sprayed on the plants (answer: nothing). Over time, I'll accumulate a nice selection that can be replenished by planning ahead.

To jerks like, @Rob Roy , I don't subscribe to your weird ass anarchocapitulationism. A rec grower can easily live within constraints with plenty for family and the friends who don't grow or want to trade gifts for the sake of variety.



@spandy is a narc or an informant. He's complaining that people can make money legally selling weed. No wonder. It cuts into the vig he gets from the DEA confiscation money. No wonder he's happy with Trump and his Trump's appointee for Attorney General.
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i gotta do an outdoors in 2017. that sounds like the ticket. one grow, one harvest and a shit ton to last the rest of the year!
 
JaJaJaJa

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Bear420 said:
Sessions will be coming to everyone's door sooner or later, Weed Will Be illegal again The Feds are coming don' t matter if your State Passed the law or not, the Feds don't see it that way and all they see is money in there pockets with Non Violent grower and smokers easy money, HEY !!
I don't care what anyone say's here Trump will make sure Sessions tells the feds to go after it no matter whether it is legal or not.
You will be brought to federal court and thrown in prison, They love the Non Violent People with lots of money and things to steal and sell for there own Purposes.

I am really hoping I am wrong but I've been around a long time seen stuff happen that should of never, but I think we are on our way to a new all time low. I hope I am wrong.
Most of the people that voted for trump were in diapers when Bill Clinton had the U.S. on the way back from the brink of depression, and had us with a Surplus, then the other bush fought daddies war and had us in a downfall like we have not seen in 50 years, then Obama Started to get us out of the ditch, only to be fought every step of the way to get us back towards the right direction, Only to have Trump come in a hire a bunch of Billionaires and Deniers both Green house and Wage, Lets wait and see what happens I hope I am wrong, But like I said seen this before.

If the People we choose for our Government Cannot get along what the fuck good does it do us, we all know right from wrong, But yet the two parties Hate each other so much common Sense don't mean a freaking thing, Hate Trumps all and that is just messed up.

Those people whom we select for running our Country need to quit with the hate and negative bull crap, to deny our planet has a green house effect is nonsense and keep burning coal is going to harm us more and more every year we can't get more Wind , Sun, Water, energy. that alone will put thousands of People to work with much better jobs then digging coal out of a hole in the ground.

We need to wake up no matter who is our President or in the cabinet.
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Calm down, and take a deep breath or two. Trump would literally gain nothing from that, and it would lose him tons of support. Also I tend to think the cat is too big to just put back in the bag at this point. Public support is at an all time high, and tens of thousands of legal businesses are involved with wealthy owners and lobbyists. A full-scale crackdown like you suggest would become a gigantic mess leading to demonstrations, potential violence between the DEA enforcers and business owners, and maybe even motivate some states to try and leave the union.
 
doublejj

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JaJaJaJa said:
Calm down, and take a deep breath or two. Trump would literally gain nothing from that, and it would lose him tons of support. Also I tend to think the cat is too big to just put back in the bag at this point. Public support is at an all time high, and tens of thousands of legal businesses are involved with wealthy owners and lobbyists. A full-scale crackdown like you suggest would become a gigantic mess leading to demonstrations, potential violence between the DEA enforcers and business owners, and maybe even motivate some states to try and leave the union.
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Fogdog

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JaJaJaJa said:
Calm down, and take a deep breath or two. Trump would literally gain nothing from that, and it would lose him tons of support. Also I tend to think the cat is too big to just put back in the bag at this point. Public support is at an all time high, and tens of thousands of legal businesses are involved with wealthy owners and lobbyists. A full-scale crackdown like you suggest would become a gigantic mess leading to demonstrations, potential violence between the DEA enforcers and business owners, and maybe even motivate some states to try and leave the union.
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Dude, he'll sell you out in a heartbeat if by doing so he can get more favors for the Kleptocracy that he heads. This kind of sell-out is happening with women's rights, which I would also say is going to lead to demonstrations and protests. He doesn't really care about abortion-rights. He's selling women's rights out in order to curry favor from religious conservatives. MJ users only account for about 15%-25% of the population. Minorities are prime targets for dictators to squash for their own purposes. He also ran as the "law and order" candidate too. Promised expansions in police forces. They need something to do. How about stomping down those dirty hippie pot smokers? He'll gut you and sell your carcass to the highest bidder if it gets him some more goodies for his kleptocracy.
 
Bugeye

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JaJaJaJa said:
Calm down, and take a deep breath or two. Trump would literally gain nothing from that, and it would lose him tons of support. Also I tend to think the cat is too big to just put back in the bag at this point. Public support is at an all time high, and tens of thousands of legal businesses are involved with wealthy owners and lobbyists. A full-scale crackdown like you suggest would become a gigantic mess leading to demonstrations, potential violence between the DEA enforcers and business owners, and maybe even motivate some states to try and leave the union.
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hope you're right, but anyone that thinks they have a read on Trump is still guessing. Time will tell.
 
JaJaJaJa

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Fogdog said:
Dude, he'll sell you out in a heartbeat if by doing so he can get more favors for the Kleptocracy that he heads. This kind of sell-out is happening with women's rights, which I would also say is going to lead to demonstrations and protests. He doesn't really care about abortion-rights. He's selling women's rights out in order to curry favor from religious conservatives. MJ users only account for about 15%-25% of the population. Minorities are prime targets for dictators to squash for their own purposes. He also ran as the "law and order" candidate too. Promised expansions in police forces. They need something to do. How about stomping down those dirty hippie pot smokers? He'll gut you and sell your carcass to the highest bidder if it gets him some more goodies for his kleptocracy.
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15% of the population is capable of shutting the country down if they choose to. Lots of easy things to do if it came to such a thing ;) I guess they might get away with it if everyone just cried like babies and didn't actually fight back.

FFS 58+% of the public supports legalization. How are they gonna react if they see the Trump administration starting a full scale crackdown? It would make Republicans look like the biggest hypocrites in the world.
 
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Fogdog

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JaJaJaJa said:
15% of the population is capable of shutting the country down if they choose to. Lots of easy things to do if it came to such a thing ;) I guess they might get away with it if everyone just cried like babies and didn't actually fight back. FFS 58+% of the public supports legalization. How are they gonna react if they see the Trump administration starting a full scale crackdown? It would make Republicans look like the biggest hypocrites in the world.
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Yeah.

You voted for Trump and are just like many others just hoping that he won't do something that affects you while giving the shiv to others.

I don't know and you don't know what Trump is going to do. What we do know is he appointed a rabidly anti MJ Attorney General. You can spin it how you like. But I've seen reports of how Trump supporters go totally ballistic on simple tweets. They show up and menace people Trump just refers to in a negative way. Trump uses this dangerous and corrupt means of intimidation on the slightest whim. If Trump sees an advantage in going against pot then he'll do so and won't give a thought to cracking down on "law breaking marijuana users". He'd be glad to give his doubled in size police force something to do. It will make him look tough on crime.

You go ahead and wishfully think what you want. But I say he'll gut you and leave you to rot if it gets him and his more wealth.
 
JaJaJaJa

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Fogdog said:
Yeah.

You voted for Trump and are just like many others just hoping that he won't do something that affects you while giving the shiv to others.

I don't know and you don't know what Trump is going to do. What we do know is he appointed a rabidly anti MJ Attorney General. You can spin it how you like. But I've seen reports of how Trump supporters go totally ballistic on simple tweets. They show up and menace people Trump just refers to in a negative way. Trump uses this dangerous and corrupt means of intimidation on the slightest whim. If Trump sees an advantage in going against pot then he'll do so and won't give a thought to cracking down on law breaking marijuana users. It will make him look tough on crime.

You go ahead and wishfully think what you want. But I say he'll gut you and leave you to rot if it gets him and his more wealth.
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Which is where I fail to see what he would get out of it.
-Trump supports business: why would he go out of his way to destroy a new business sector which is creating jobs, contributing to state economies and bringing in lots of tax money?
-Trump has stated that it should be a state right issue. His AG pick is worrisome, but Trump can easily keep Sessions in line on certain issues if he chooses to.
-Who gives a shit about 'tough on crime'? That's not even 10% of the reason why Trump was elected. Most Republicans I know who are under 50 don't even agree with cannabis prohibition. The only people he'd win over would be the evangelicals and other hardcore social conservatives, while losing other voting groups.
 
srh88

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JaJaJaJa said:
Which is where I fail to see what he would get out of it.
-Trump supports business: why would he go out of his way to destroy a new business sector which is creating jobs, contributing to state economies and bringing in lots of tax money?
-Trump has stated that it should be a state right issue. His AG pick is worrisome, but Trump can easily keep Sessions in line on certain issues if he chooses to.
-Who gives a shit about 'tough on crime'? That's not even 10% of the reason why Trump was elected. Most Republicans I know who are under 50 don't even agree with cannabis prohibition. The only people he'd win over would be the evangelicals and other hardcore social conservatives, while losing other voting groups.
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theres more federal money to be made by locking people up. theres no federal money to be made with weed still being federally illegal.
 
doublejj

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JaJaJaJa said:
Which is where I fail to see what he would get out of it.
-Trump supports business: why would he go out of his way to destroy a new business sector which is creating jobs, contributing to state economies and bringing in lots of tax money?
-Trump has stated that it should be a state right issue. His AG pick is worrisome, but Trump can easily keep Sessions in line on certain issues if he chooses to.
-Who gives a shit about 'tough on crime'? That's not even 10% of the reason why Trump was elected. Most Republicans I know who are under 50 don't even agree with cannabis prohibition. The only people he'd win over would be the evangelicals and other hardcore social conservatives, while losing other voting groups.
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why would trump pick sessions if he's not going to let him do his thing?... doesn't make sense
 
Fogdog

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JaJaJaJa said:
Which is where I fail to see what he would get out of it.
-Trump supports business: why would he go out of his way to destroy a new business sector which is creating jobs, contributing to state economies and bringing in lots of tax money?
-Trump has stated that it should be a state right issue. His AG pick is worrisome, but Trump can easily keep Sessions in line on certain issues if he chooses to.
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I'll give you an example of why you are just engaging in wishful thinking when it comes to an unpopular action that Trump will do for his benefit.

Trump is front and center on breaking the court's Roe V Wade ruling. He doesn't care about abortion. Not too long ago he supported the right of a woman to choose. For political purposes he's siding with conservative Christians. He sold out the rights of half the population to get elected. He's not one bit afraid of backlash or protests which will certainly occur. Already have occurred as a matter of fact.

As you say, Trump is a "big business president". He basically ran against big business but now it's clear that he's going to be the best big business president that big business ever had. So we already have an example of how Trump flipped positions now that he's the presumptive president. Can you name a big business that has interests in stopping medical MJ in it's current form? How about Big Pharma? Big Pharma is threatened by legal and low cost availability of medical mj. Their whole business model depends on monopoly and industrial chemical drug production. I absolutely can see how Big Pharma and the Trump Kleptocracy would benefit from shutting down legal rec and medical MJ.
Again, Trump doesn't care about controversy. He uses any means to snuff negative comments. Will use police action too.

Not saying this is going to happen. But am saying you ignore Trump's actions while cherry picking his words which even his own people say are worthless.

JaJaJaJa said:
-Who gives a shit about 'tough on crime'? That's not even 10% of the reason why Trump was elected. Most Republicans I know who are under 50 don't even agree with cannabis prohibition. The only people he'd win over would be the evangelicals and other hardcore social conservatives, while losing other voting groups.
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This is where you go off the deep end. Did you forget his law an order speech at the RNC? Don't you remember the illegal endorsements he received from law enforcement unions when he promised doubling police forces? You are making shit up about "10% of the reason why Trump was elected". @Flaming Pie was all about fear of crime and Trump supporters when interviewed said they feared going into cities where they would get shot. Trump absolutely ran up the false flag of increasing crime and death in cities. His supporters ate that shit up.

And just like every damn Trump supporter I talk to, you all cherry pick Trump's words, conveniently forget what he said and ignore the only real evidence of what he plans to do, which is his assembling a militaristic cabinet, stacked with people who have harsh views on "law breakers" including pot heads.
 
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JaJaJaJa

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doublejj said:
exactly!......trump won't care about pot because he likes other things about sessions....he'll take the good with the bad. Trump don't want to do the AG's job.....he will just turn sessions loose.
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Unless it caused a massive backlash and Trump saw it hurting his reelection chances in 2020, or hurting republicans in 2018. If Trump truly doesn't care about anything then yeah, we might have some very real issues.
 
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