Controlling humidity & why it's important

MichiganMedGrower

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I can't really agree with that. Bringing any plant in from outdoors is definitely a big no-no but growing companion plants with your pot plants can be a big help. Like the RH thing or attracting bugs that wander in to them first then getting them out with the bugs. A lot of plants repel bugs too like garlic and chrysanthemums. Plenty more but I'm not up on all of them.

I grok the using up valuable space thing tho. Wife has two lemon trees in my veg space I want to get rid of. They already survived an "accidental" drying out ;) so it's time they took up space in the shop window or go outside never to see the inside of my grow space again.

:peace:

I agree about those companion plants but I was warning against vegetables in particular.
 

GreenBean 420

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This is a bad idea as different plants attract different pests and disease. Increasing the chances for bringing something harmful into the Grow room in my opinion.

Also. Wasted space under the lights is very expensive. I'm not growing veggies under my hid's.
That's why I said if the pros agree lol. I also agree about the pests. You would obviously have to use an indoor plant. It could be any plant not just a veggie plant. Any house plant. Who care if it lives or dies lol. Also I have a 2x2x4 tent with two 5 gal pots in it and a full canopy...the other two plants sat in the very front not even under the light pretty much (below the canopy). They were 100% in there for the humidity. They didn't do well at all hahaha. And it wasn't wasted light or space and the tent was full. BUT. I did get a caterpillar that I still haven't found. So you my friend are correct there. Prolly should have mentioned that. They were outdoor plants and I'm new. But I don't see why you couldn't just put two indoor plants already in your house in there as well? Just have to be cautious is all. Sorry for the rant was just trying to help :bigjoint:
 

MichiganMedGrower

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That's why I said if the pros agree lol. I also agree about the pests. You would obviously have to use an indoor plant. It could be any plant not just a veggie plant. Any house plant. Who care if it lives or dies lol. Also I have a 2x2x4 tent with two 5 gal pots in it and a full canopy...the other two plants sat in the very front not even under the light pretty much (below the canopy). They were 100% in there for the humidity. They didn't do well at all hahaha. And it wasn't wasted light or space and the tent was full. BUT. I did get a caterpillar that I still haven't found. So you my friend are correct there. Prolly should have mentioned that. They were outdoor plants and I'm new. But I don't see why you couldn't just put two indoor plants already in your house in there as well? Just have to be cautious is all. Sorry for the rant was just trying to help :bigjoint:

You could point a fan at an open pot of water for the same effect. Or buy a humidifier. :-)
 

GreenBean 420

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Don't blindly listen to advice here please. Or on any open forum.

When I read something that interest me here then I go to work cross referencing for actual scientific proof.

Most posters are proven wrong I am sorry to say.

Some examples. Flushing, adding lime to pre limed soil, pk boosters, adding sugar during ripening. Cal mag, Etc.
So funny! Added blackstrap, used calmag, and using boosters haha. Like I said Im new but so far so good lol I'm just gunna duck out the side door
 

GreenBean 420

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You could point a fan at an open pot of water for the same effect. Or buy a humidifier. :-)
Nah I used three pans of water and I tried the hanging a wet towel in a bowl of water as well. None worked for me. I think my negative pressure was too much or something. To much exchange of air? Humidifier was too crazy for me. Second grow I'll try to actually dial things in more professionally
 

Dr. Who

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I was struggling with bringing the humidity up and I added two big broccoli plants to the grow room. Brought the humidity right up. Nothing else worked for me. Removed them last week to drop the humidity back down during flower haha. If you have the room and the pros agree I say just ass other plants to the space
I run a pretty big citronella plant in all three rooms. It to effects RH. It also keeps bugs out of the room.....very well.

A lot of plants repel bugs too like garlic and chrysanthemums. Plenty more but I'm not up on all of them.
 

Dr. Who

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Don't want to hijack the ops thread so I'm done but Michigan feel free to pm me some flushing links or info on what to do instead of flushing etc. As I'm going into week 6 now... would be much appreciated, cheers mate :mrgreen:
I got asked about this in a PM by a member after seeing the disaster another thread became. He asked where to find books and papers on "flushing" and said he might try the "fade".

Here's my answer to him......I felt it needs to be seen,,,,,,again!

Your looking for post grad work. You would do better to search papers......The thing is, NOTHING in agriculture gets 'flushed" and that leads to little to no research in the area. You see, the thing is, the whole "idea" of "flushing is nonsense! Plants don't work that way! They do not take up nutrients or salts as most of you think of them! They do not "store" them in the sense you think of them! Not only that, but the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers! NO amount of "flushing" will "exchange" plant "stored" nutrition back "out" of the plant! Scientifically impossible by the way most of you guys understand......Ok, that's my word on "flushing". (No one listens to this in threads if they don't want to hear it or accept it.)

Now then, you propose the "FADE TO FINISH" method. Great idea in theory but, and this IS a BIG BUT! Remember when I said above that "the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers!" ? This shoots that theory in the ass right away. You see the main amount of stored nutrition is in either the roots and the rest in leaves and some in small amounts in transit in the phloam (the sap that actually moves the nutrients around the plant)......

Now when you "starve a plant" it will draw from it's self by actually breaking down the needed parts of it's self to do an "emergency" attempt to reproduce! (This can happen in certain plants even in veg! A kind of last ditch effort to continue the species.)

With that in mind you take the fact that the plant is not "moving" nutrients "out" of buds,but into them to speed growth and as fast as it can - "reproduce". This single minded process the plant now puts it's self on causes the plant to stress it's self. This self induced stress can, in many cases if done long enough, lead the plant to go bisexual, and produce "banana's" in a last ditch effort to reproduce and "carry on the line" and produce seeds...

Basically put, In reality you are moving nutrients that you're "attempting" to get rid of,,right to where your trying to remove them from! You are also stressing the plant in the way for "Herming" to actually happen easier!

I and many others that have tried to convey this actual plant science, are called everything you can think of and those 'impossible of understanding these facts", fight so hard against us that many of us have simply chosen to avoid the issue or don't fight to hard.

Anyway, there you are in as short and sweet and as simple/understandable as I can...

The thing is you have to understand Botany and Horticulture (and there are LOTS of subsections to those that are involved here) to truly put together the pieces of the puzzle to get your head wrapped around the idea that flushing and the "fade" don't work for what they are intended or alleged to actually do!

There you go Mods, nice, polite and to the point. (Sorry about the other thread Sunni)

There you go, Now have at it!
I'm stepping back to watch the circus.


Read this too!

https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-truth-about-flushing.409622/


Proper dry and cure is what your looking to do.
The dry should be done in 50% RH and at 70 deg F.
The buds should be connected to at least parts of the stem.
They are dried until you can bend the stem and it cracks and not simply bends over.
If it cracks in half and breaks apart - you've dried too much.

At this point - remove the buds from the stems and put them in jars and store in darkness.
Every day, open the cover and let it sit a cpl of min. Recover and put away.
Do this for a week and then every other day for a week.
Now add a Bovida 58 or 62 pack and leave the lid on and only "burp" once a week for 2 weeks.
Now I simply store them in the dark for 4-6 more weeks and then enjoy.

You get more flavor and more potency.

Another variation is to add the Bovita packs at the jarring up and burp every cpl of days for a cpl weeks and store in the dark a total of 6-8 weeks.....The longer the better!
If you had the patience to grow the plant out properly. You owe it to yourself to find the patience to do a proper cure. The difference is night and day.

No shit!

Bone dry weed at 10-15% RH smokes hot and harsh.......While some think that 58-62% RH is high and they have trouble lighting a joint - they simply haven't been doing it long enough to actually learn that you get higher, faster and more effectively by smoking material that is over 50%.
Not to mention that that joint - once you learn the trick to getting it lit - right. Burns much longer and the taste is to die for....

Good luck
 
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Dr. Who

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The only thing that was special about Kind is that it contains seaweed and added sulfer. The calcium is actually a bit high for limed potting mix but they say it's good for all mediums.

Which is just marketing and will cause problems potentially.

It is really a hydro nute with minor organics added. And no dedicated micro nutes.

I did a flowering side by side with 2 sets of plants.

1 set I used base and grow and the other 2 plants got base and bloom.

Virtually identical results in Pro Mix Hp.
I found this so interesting that it's bugged me sense yesterday when I first read it.

You say KIND has no "dedicated" micro's. It has the seaweed - that's micro's, amino's, vit's and the Fulvic chain...... So what else would it need?

Pro mix is not a "soil" - It's a "media" and is run like hydro. This style needs micro's added.

I run soil - period. I build it. It has plenty of micro's already built in. I get no overage problems either.

By running soil, adding silica would be a waste as the plant takes all the silica it needs, from that soil.
In hydro situations, including media's like Peat or Coco. I would, and have, run Silica to boost plant performance in weight support and natural P control...

I'm not really surprised at the side by side results..... I gotta ask this though. Did you see a difference in the starting of trichome set by time? Just interested.

Some 91 chems just got the first KIND at bloom and the early and heavy trich set is cool! I do use some added Mg sulfate and Potassium sulfate but, it's the same for non-Kind plants. So, that is the only variable......I'll have to pay more attention to that in the next run of doggy...

Just started a Ghost and a Superdog in bloom and with KIND - keeping my eye's peeled at that situation....I'll grab some pics - if I can get in before the lights come on.....
 

MichiganMedGrower

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I found this so interesting that it's bugged me sense yesterday when I first read it.

You say KIND has no "dedicated" micro's. It has the seaweed - that's micro's, amino's, vit's and the Fulvic chain...... So what else would it need?

Pro mix is not a "soil" - It's a "media" and is run like hydro. This style needs micro's added.

I run soil - period. I build it. It has plenty of micro's already built in. I get no overage problems either.

By running soil, adding silica would be a waste as the plant takes all the silica it needs, from that soil.
In hydro situations, including media's like Peat or Coco. I would, and have, run Silica to boost plant performance in weight support and natural P control...

I'm not really surprised at the side by side results..... I gotta ask this though. Did you see a difference in the starting of trichome set by time? Just interested.

Some 91 chems just got the first KIND at bloom and the early and heavy trich set is cool! I do use some added Mg sulfate and Potassium sulfate but, it's the same for non-Kind plants. So, that is the only variable......I'll have to pay more attention to that in the next run of doggy...

Just started a Ghost and a Superdog in bloom and with KIND - keeping my eye's peeled at that situation....I'll grab some pics - if I can get in before the lights come on.....

I know the seaweed extract must have a ton of elements. And I realize that in the extract many are available. But Kind has no guaranteed analysis of the micros if I remember right and I have had some issues in flower.

But doc I was a much newer grower and admit my tests then were no where near as stable as they would be now. Fuck I probably overwatered a bit one too many times and caused my own deficiencies.

And the pure Blend Pro likely uses the same seaweed product.


As far as earlier or later onset and ripening. The plants came from a seed pack so I did vary the feed as needed to pairs of similar phenos. So not exactly the same plants admittedly but they bloomed and ripened within the same week start and finish.

I only ever harvest 1 or 2 plants so when it's time I watch the trichomes every day looking for 100% cloudy as possible without too much degradation.

And the colored trichomes sativa heavy hybrids for tons of colors.

So I can say for sure both pairs of plants were unaffected by ratio in pro mix Hp.

I did this test because of the dyna Grow president interview about the bloom bottle being just marketing and the 3-1-2 being all you need in potting mix start to finish.

He actually recommends a low ppm of silica even in a peat mix.

I have not used it but in ocean forest I can't see how it is necessary and in pro mix I tried diatanatious (sp?) earth. I think I read originally in the ed Rosenthal and Mel frank book that it is a good silica supplement. Makes sense. Diatoms are made of silica. Lol.
 

Dr. Who

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@MichiganMedGrower

LOL, mentioned I would get some Ghost and Superdog shots......Today I got 91 Chem and GG4 shots - Frogot what I was shooting and why - lol

Anyway, you always wanted some full plant pics - here's a cpl....

91 Chemdog - 4 weeks... KIND run.....3 plants and some close bud shots.
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Yes they are "supercropped" to run under the light! For those who wonder - look close at this one.
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Bud porn of 4 week old buds - Hows that trich production catch ya?
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Nother full size shot - 2 #4's at 13days.
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MichiganMedGrower

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@MichiganMedGrower

LOL, mentioned I would get some Ghost and Superdog shots......Today I got 91 Chem and GG4 shots - Frogot what I was shooting and why - lol

Anyway, you always wanted some full plant pics - here's a cpl....

91 Chemdog - 4 weeks... KIND run.....3 plants and some close bud shots.
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Yes they are "supercropped" to run under the light! For those who wonder - look close at this one.
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Bud porn of 4 week old buds - Hows that trich production catch ya?
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Nother full size shot - 2 #4's at 13days.
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Super nice work Doc!

Thank you. I did really want to see. Looks like the way I train but yours grow at least a third bigger. Guess learning from old classic growers and books was a good idea. Thanks again.
 

Lola Grows

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@MichiganMedGrower

LOL, mentioned I would get some Ghost and Superdog shots......Today I got 91 Chem and GG4 shots - Frogot what I was shooting and why - lol

Anyway, you always wanted some full plant pics - here's a cpl....

91 Chemdog - 4 weeks... KIND run.....3 plants and some close bud shots.
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Yes they are "supercropped" to run under the light! For those who wonder - look close at this one.
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Bud porn of 4 week old buds - Hows that trich production catch ya?
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Nother full size shot - 2 #4's at 13days.
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She tickles my fancy...simply beautiful
 
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