Covid-19

neosapien

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That has to be really tough on you. :hug:
The south is not a place to be right now. You can hide statistics but you can't hide bodies. Ok maybe you can if you have access to backhoes, an army of backhoes. History will not look kindly on our retreat to the dark ages. We knew better.
Yeah. My wife and mom can coexist peacefully but neither really likes the other, even if they don't say it, I know lol. There's 2 grandkids in the family. Mine and my sister's. But my sister is completely estranged from us because her husband is a brainwashing psycho. We haven't seen/heard from them in 5-6 years. So my mom just has my kid to dote on. And we usually let her, because now that we're parents, we can now imagine what it must feel like to have your kid hate you. But we just don't feel comfortable with all the old, sloppy retirees down there. And my mom is just twisted in her "I moved down here to enjoy my twilight years and you're ruining it with your fake bullshit flu" mindset. I really think the only thing that will wake her up is if my immune compromised dad gets it. Fuck.
 

curious2garden

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Yeah. My wife and mom can coexist peacefully but neither really likes the other, even if they don't say it, I know lol. There's 2 grandkids in the family. Mine and my sister's. But my sister is completely estranged from us because her husband is a brainwashing psycho. We haven't seen/heard from them in 5-6 years. So my mom just has my kid to dote on. And we usually let her, because now that we're parents, we can now imagine what it must feel like to have your kid hate you. But we just don't feel comfortable with all the old, sloppy retirees down there. And my mom is just twisted in her "I moved down here to enjoy my twilight years and you're ruining it with your fake bullshit flu" mindset. I really think the only thing that will wake her up is if my immune compromised dad gets it. Fuck.
Wow, I hope she's not planning on moving in with you if the 'fake flu' gets him. That's a horrible place to be in. I keep thinking about quotes from Lenin and Stalin

A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic
-Stalin

Better fewer but better
-Lenin

Hopefully there will be some 'self' selection in this thinning of the herd.
 

Singlemalt

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Wow, I hope she's not planning on moving in with you if the 'fake flu' gets him. That's a horrible place to be in. I keep thinking about quotes from Lenin and Stalin

A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic
-Stalin

Better fewer but better
-Lenin

Hopefully there will be some 'self' selection in this thinning of the herd.
I suspect there will be. Weds my county started 1st phase of reopening; more businesses were allowed to open, restaurants etc with "cautions" and safe practices. I went and paid my car loan at the bank; I was the only customer with a mask and just one bank employee had a mask. On to Lowes and bought a new weed whacker. Two employees, myself and one other customer with masks. Most of the customers were old and older fucks like me most had a smug expression and smugger when they saw my mask. I had words with one coot when he smirked at me.
 

Laughing Grass

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Same thing happening here, Wed was 1st phase in reopening and positive cases going up; which basically means people were cheating 10 days before
This all seems absolutely hopeless. I realize we can't hide in our homes forever, but why did we wreck our economy, throw millions of people out of work and permanently destroy hundreds of local businesses if we're just going to open up and let it run rampant now? We've wiped out our savings, run up a bunch of credit card debt and the net result will be the same if we were to do nothing. It doesn't feel like anyone has a plan.
 

curious2garden

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I suspect there will be. Weds my county started 1st phase of reopening; more businesses were allowed to open, restaurants etc with "cautions" and safe practices. I went and paid my car loan at the bank; I was the only customer with a mask and just one bank employee had a mask. On to Lowes and bought a new weed whacker. Two employees, myself and one other customer with masks. Most of the customers were old and older fucks like me most had a smug expression and smugger when they saw my mask. I had words with one coot when he smirked at me.
In LA County if you're out you have to be in a mask. I wear an N100 with eye shielding, hair and body covering. I've had a couple looks but that's the beauty of living in OR world. I pass them as I do in an OR; turn my back and exhale and never look back.

Always remember sterile team passes unsterile with their backs to them, exhaling!

I'd love to see you in a mask. I have visions dancing in my head LOL.
 

curious2garden

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This all seems absolutely hopeless. I realize we can't hide in our homes forever, but why did we wreck our economy, throw millions of people out of work and permanently destroy hundreds of local businesses if we're just going to open up and let it run rampant now? We've wiped out our savings, run up a bunch of credit card debt and the net result will be the same if we were to do nothing. It doesn't feel like anyone has a plan.
Precisely, why all this pain if the plan was to go for herd immunity all along. The saddest part is even during the flu pandemic of 1918 when they had no choice but to go for herd immunity at least they embraced the public health policy of harm reduction. Instead we appear to be going for max casualties via deriding harm reduction behavior.

Sadly my answer is relatively political. So I won't air it here. But this is extraordinarily tragic.
 

curious2garden

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Wife and I may be fully retired before we planned. Some customers in restaurants have been very rude to servers etc. here. A lot of “mask whining” and crap. These folks are already in a very exposed line of work without that shit.
I'm sorry to hear that. I'd suggest your wife getting a reusable respirator with N100 filters and a speaking valve but my guess is even if she did they wouldn't let her wear it.

Something like this:

I'd add a washable filter/cartridge combination. Best of luck. These are trying times.
 
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Laughing Grass

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Precisely, why all this pain if the plan was to go for herd immunity all along. The saddest part is even during the flu pandemic of 1918 when they had no choice but to go for herd immunity at least they embraced the public health policy of harm reduction. Instead we appear to be going for max casualties via deriding harm reduction behavior.

Sadly my answer is relatively political. So I won't air it here. But this is extraordinarily tragic.
I think all these closures have put us on the brink of economic collapse much faster than they thought it would. And now we have to choose between sacrificing our seniors or our future. Ontario released a roadmap in April, detailing criteria that must be met prior to opening the economy. Luckily our hospitals were never overrun, but our cases are going up, daily testing numbers are embarrassingly low, contact tracing is all but non existent and they cannot determine the source of the majority of cases. My partner goes back to work on the 26th, I was happy when I heard that two weeks ago when we were trending down. Now I'm freaking out a little and think it's too soon.

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doublejj

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California mountain resort city won't enforce state orders

BIG BEAR LAKE, Calif. (AP) — A popular Southern California mountain resort city headed into the Memorial Day weekend with a decision to not enforce Gov. Gavin Newsom’s orders aimed at slowing the spread of the coronavirus, arguing it has kept COVID-19 cases manageable and there has been significant economic harm.
 

curious2garden

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How are we to expect our citizens to have a cautious attitude, and to take the proper precautions when our 'leader' refuses to even wear a mask (@ 3:40 in)? What the actual fuck is going on???


Ugh, no politics especially about the vector in chief! However I will say this. All we had to do was lay in MASSIVE PPE when we first got wind of this. Disseminated PPE and eye protection everywhere and do 60 second commercials teaching people how to use it.

Then the only things that would have needed shut down is where people would have to remove their masks, like dining in. Even dining outdoors is viable if you space people apart and strategically place fans etc.... to control airflow.

This is a tragedy that did not have to happen. I could go on but I won't. Let's take these deserved criticisms to politics, sigh. Thanks Tyler and congrats on surviving your birthday!
 

curious2garden

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I think all these closures have put us on the brink of economic collapse much faster than they thought it would. And now we have to choose between sacrificing our seniors or our future. Ontario released a roadmap in April, detailing criteria that must be met prior to opening the economy. Luckily our hospitals were never overrun, but our cases are going up, daily testing numbers are embarrassingly low, contact tracing is all but non existent and they cannot determine the source of the majority of cases. My partner goes back to work on the 26th, I was happy when I heard that two weeks ago when we were trending down. Now I'm freaking out a little and think it's too soon.

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It's a false dilemma too. We could have done better, sigh......
 
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