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tyler.durden

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Remember 3 years ago when some guy took a knee over injustice and the president called him a son of a bitch? Its saddening to see whats happening but I fucking get it. But during a pandemic? Shit
I believe the pandemic, combined with the long lock down, loss of jobs, battered economy, and lack of leadership, is a huge factor in the degree and scope of the violence of these protests. On top of all this misery, we are supposed to put up with our unarmed citizens being blatently murdered by police? I don't think so...
 

raratt

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citizens being blatently murdered by police
Police are being blatantly murdered by citizens also because they wear a badge. I do not agree with what happened in Minn at all, the lack of empathy was beyond disgusting, however all cops aren't bad. I sure as well wouldn't want to have to restrain someone so tweaked out that they are eating other peoples faces for fun. Edit: just an example, not related to the death of George Floyd.
 
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tyler.durden

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Police are being blatantly murdered by citizens also because they wear a badge. I do not agree with what happened in Minn at all, the lack of empathy was beyond disgusting, however all cops aren't bad. I sure as well wouldn't want to have to restrain someone so tweaked out the they are eating other peoples faces for fun.
Please post links from credible sources of police being murdered by citizens, bonus points if said citizens were unarmed. Police are generally armed, and they voluntarily sign up for dangerous duty. These citizens being murdered are generally unarmed and have not volunteered for any such duty. I did not say that all police are bad, very few make that claim. But a disturbing percentage of them apparently are. People are not expecting that there be no rotten apples on the force, that is inevitable in any job. They are asking that when a bad cop rears its ugly head, the police themselves admit it and prosecute them. Instead, it is normal for these murdering cops get a paid vacation while an 'investigation' is done, which almost always results in finding the murderers were justified in whatever horror they committed. When good cops cover the actions of bad cops, how are we to tell them apart? How much of this are we supposed to tolerate?
 
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raratt

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Please post links from credible sources of police being murdered by citizens, bonus points if said citizens were unarmed. Police are generally armed, and they voluntarily sign up for dangerous duty. These citizens being murdered are generally unarmed and have not volunteered for any such duty. I did not say that all police are bad, very few make that claim. But a disturbing percentage of them apparently are. People are not expecting that there be no rotten apples on the force, that is inevitable in any job. They are asking that when a bad cop rears its ugly head, the police themselves admit it and prosecute them. Instead, it is normal for these murdering cops get a paid vacation while an 'investigation' is done, which almost always results in finding the murderers were justified in whatever horror they committed. When good cops cover the actions of bad cops, how are we to tell them apart? How much of this are we supposed to tolerate?
The cop in Minn was fired and is in state prison awaiting trial, which is where he should be. I do not condone use of excessive force, however if someone shoots at me I will shoot back.
 

cannabineer

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Please post links from credible sources of police being murdered by citizens, bonus points if said citizens were unarmed. Police are generally armed, and they voluntarily sign up for dangerous duty. These citizens being murdered are generally unarmed and have not volunteered for any such duty. I did not say that all police are bad, very few make that claim. But a disturbing percentage of them apparently are. People are not expecting that there be no rotten apples on the force, that is inevitable in any job. They are asking that when a bad cop rears its ugly head, the police themselves admit it and prosecute them. Instead, it is normal for these murdering cops get a paid vacation while an 'investigation' is done, which almost always results in finding the murderers were justified in whatever horror they committed. When good cops cover the actions of bad cops, how are we to tell them apart? How much of this are we supposed to tolerate?
The four officers struck by a vehicle qualify for the bonus point.

 

tyler.durden

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The cop in Minn was fired and is in state prison awaiting trial, which is where he should be. I do not condone use of excessive force, however if someone shoots at me I will shoot back.
Thank you for the links, I was too lazy to do the research.

The four officers struck by a vehicle qualify for the bonus point.

Perhaps. The law does consider vehicles in this context as deadly weapons. It also seems that a large percentage of the officers listed in your link died from causes that were not related to exchanges with armed criminals, but from heart attacks, traffic accidents, the rona, etc..


I do not mean to move the goal posts here, but I feel most of my point still stands. I believe that the public outrage is at police murdering unarmed citizens, not crazed armed criminals. I don't think anyone has a problem with that. And again, police signed up for this potential danger, they are armed, and took an oath to serve and protect citizens. These murdered citizens that are the subject of the protests had no obligation to protect anyone, and were unarmed...
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Thank you for the links, I was too lazy to do the research.



Perhaps. The law does consider vehicles in this context as deadly weapons. It also seems that a large percentage of the officers listed in your link died from causes that were not related to exchanges with armed criminals, but from heart attacks, traffic accidents, the rona, etc..


I do not mean to move the goal posts here, but I feel most of my point still stands. I believe that the public outrage is at police murdering unarmed citizens, not crazed armed criminals. I don't think anyone has a problem with that. And again, police signed up for this potential danger, they are armed, and took an oath to serve and protect citizens. These murdered citizens that are the subject of the protests had no obligation to protect anyone, and were unarmed...
I don’t like it either, but it’s a bit like crying for gun control after a multiple shooting. The ten crazies per annum don’t justify penalizing the hundred million good-faith gun owners.

Similarly, I deplore excessive use of force by police. However that doesn’t translate into resentment against the other 99% of law enforcement officers who do a difficult job under often adverse conditions. Those folks earn, or should earn, our respect and support. Cops generally see people at their worst behavior. The media delight in showing us police officers at their worst also. Nothing sells like a shit show.

While every now and then news of more systematic corruption sees the light of day, this is still very much the exception. The media tend to downplay that, as it doesn’t sell papers, air time or clicks.

In this specific instance, two facts tend to escape notice.
1) The knee hold is extraprocedural.
2) Chauvin and Floyd had worked together at the El Nuevo Rodeo club. They may have known each other, and that opens the possibility that Chauvin abused his status to carry out a personal grudge.

Finally, at this time I am led to believe that Chauvin murdered Floyd needlessly and in cold blood. If found guilty via careful due process, he should get a life sentence in general population. Unless other evidence comes to light, which it may yet. I will leave the job of trier of facts to the judge who will hear this case. I have no confidence that what I can Google contains the whole story or even the right overall direction.
 
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pabloesqobar

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Please post links from credible sources of police being murdered by citizens, bonus points if said citizens were unarmed. Police are generally armed, and they voluntarily sign up for dangerous duty. These citizens being murdered are generally unarmed and have not volunteered for any such duty. I did not say that all police are bad, very few make that claim. But a disturbing percentage of them apparently are. People are not expecting that there be no rotten apples on the force, that is inevitable in any job. They are asking that when a bad cop rears its ugly head, the police themselves admit it and prosecute them. Instead, it is normal for these murdering cops get a paid vacation while an 'investigation' is done, which almost always results in finding the murderers were justified in whatever horror they committed. When good cops cover the actions of bad cops, how are we to tell them apart? How much of this are we supposed to tolerate?
In Oakland during the riots on Friday. I don't believe it was related to the riots.
 

curious2garden

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I do not mean to move the goal posts here, but I feel most of my point still stands. I believe that the public outrage is at police murdering unarmed citizens, not crazed armed criminals. I don't think anyone has a problem with that. And again, police signed up for this potential danger, they are armed, and took an oath to serve and protect citizens. These murdered citizens that are the subject of the protests had no obligation to protect anyone, and were unarmed...
It just breaks my heart. I watched Watts burn from my roof. I watched Rodney King with my heart in my mouth and now this. We have gunfire, M80s and sirens in my neighborhood long into the night. My son is under a 1 PM curfew and he has a 4 month old baby at home.

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The only equalizer, vote the straight Cthulhu ticket this November. Because if no lives matter, all lives are equal.
 

Kushash

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It just breaks my heart. I watched Watts burn from my roof. I watched Rodney King with my heart in my mouth and now this. We have gunfire, M80s and sirens in my neighborhood long into the night. My son is under a 1 PM curfew and he has a 4 month old baby at home.

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The only equalizer, vote the straight Cthulhu ticket this November. Because if no lives matter, all lives are equal.
The truck going into the crowd in Minneapolis reminded me of Reginald Denny when he was pulled out of the truck, I watched it live on a local Minn station that was streaming the protest live. I'm glad this guy was protected and not beaten to death.
Sad to see a Vegas cop was shot in the head last night and is in critical condition. I could go on about last night.
I'll just post something covid and smoke my bong.
I'll play Crystal Blue persuasion again and do some California Dreaming for a better future. Bong and Bongos for the win.
Thanks for the tip about turning your back to someone when passing them or when being near someone.


 
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curious2garden

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The truck going into the crowd in Minneapolis reminded me of Reginald Denny when he was pulled out of the truck, I watched it live on a local Minn station that was streaming the protest live. I'm glad this guy was protected and not beaten to death.
Sad to see a Vegas cop was shot in the head last night and is in critical condition. I could go on about last night.
I'll just post something covid and smoke my bong.
I'll play Crystal Blue persuasion again and do some California Dreaming for a better future. Bong and Bongos for the win.
Thanks for the tip about turning your back to someone when passing them or when being near someone.


I enjoyed that era of music too. I'm looking forward to next week when they release the second part of the Laurel Canyon documentary. Then I plan to watch both part 1 and 2 back to back

 

Laughing Grass

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I went clothes shopping at The Bay today, first time I've been back since the start of covid. They're not allowing you to use fitting rooms which didn't make any sense since the lady told me to take it home, try them on and I return the items that don't fit. Why anyone would pay department store markup and have to guess about sizing is beyond me. No wonder the store was empty.

Still no word on hair salons in Ontario... might have to start start my job looking like Sia.
 
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