DEA in Violation of Federal Scheduling Law

Tanuvan

Well-Known Member
Has anyone been following this?
Drug Law Blog: DEA Accepts Petition To Consider Removing Marijuana From Schedule I

I think it's important to get clarification, although I really think the law is clear on this.
If you look at the two cases everyone cites, Gonzales v. Raich (2005), and United States v. Oakland Cannabis Buyers Cooperative (2001), the Supreme Court seems to be saying that Congress put marijuana into Schedule 1 and it can't be removed because Congress put it there. That argument is nonsense and could not possibly be what the Supreme Court intended to say.
No one would suggest that marijuana cannot be rescheduled. In fact, several marijuana rescheduling petitions have been filed over the past 38 years since the Controlled Substances Act was enacted.
The DEA has just accepted my petition to reschedule marijuana. If Congress had locked marijuana into Schedule I, the DEA would not have just now accepted my petition to reschedule it. It's obvious that marijuana can be rescheduled.
If you look at 21 U.S.C. 812(c), it says “Initial schedules of controlled substances.”
Then it goes on to require the amendment of the schedules: 21 U.S.C. 811(a)(1) (“transfer between such schedules”); 21 U.S.C. 811(b) (“remove a drug or other substance entirely from the schedules”).
It's obvious that Congress didn't intend to reject rescheduling of marijuana simply because Congress initially put marijuana into Schedule I.
So, the question is then: what triggers the rescheduling. In 1991, the U.S. Court of Appeals in Alliance for Cannabis Therapeutics v. DEA, answered that question. The court said there is no federal definition of accepted medical use, and that in the absence of such a defition, the court defers to the DEA's opinion.
In Gonzales v. Oregon (2006), the Supreme Court explained why there is no federal defintion of accepted medical use, saying that Congress never intended to occupy the field of medicine and the states determine accepted medical use. So, there actually is a federal definition of accepted medical use - whatever the states say it is.
In 1991, there was no accepted medical use of marijuana, because the states did not start accepting medical use of marijuana by state statutes until 1996 (California and Arizona).
So, today, there are 12 states that have accepted the medical use of marijuana. These laws are binding on the federal government and the DEA has no discretion in the matter. The DEA's opinion isn't relevant any more.


I guess I should answer your question. Both state (Iowa) and federal law say marijuana has no accepted medical use in treatment in the United States. Although Iowa has the power to say marijuana has no accepted medical use in treatment in Iowa, it cannot speak for the other states. As explained previously, the federal government has no power to say marijuana has no accepted medical use in treatment in the United States. Twelve states say it does have accepted medical use in treatment and that means "in the United States" as explained by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit in 1987 in Grinspoon v. DEA.


Iowans for Medical Marijuana is part of a coalition of groups that filed a rescheduling (in 2002) which is still pending with the DEA: Marijuana Research: The Members of the Coalition for Rescheduling Cannabis
My current petition is different. My current petition is actually just a notice to let the DEA know they are in violation of federal law. There's nothing for them to do but obey federal law and remove marijuana from Schedule I now that it no longer fits the definition of a Schedule I substance. Congress gave the power to determine accepted medical practice to the states (see 21 U.S.C. 903) and not to the DEA. 21 U.S.C. 903 says clearly that Congress did not intent to occupy the field of medicine, and that's how the U.S. Supreme Court interpreted it in 2006 in Gonzales v. Oregon, 546 U.S. 243 (2006). My current petition is purely a matter of law and fact. The law says the stated determine accepted medical use under the federal Controlled Substances Act, 21 U.S.C. 801 et seq., and the fact is that twelve states have determined that marijuana has accepted medical use. The DEA is in violation of federal law for maintaining marijuana in a schedule that says it has no accepted medical use in the United States. My petition merely gives them notice that they are in violation of federal law. The next step is federal court.





Lengthy read, but interesting nonetheless.
 

blazin waffles

Well-Known Member
Has anyone been following this?
Drug Law Blog: DEA Accepts Petition To Consider Removing Marijuana From Schedule I

I think it's important to get clarification, although I really think the law is clear on this.
If you look at the two cases everyone cites, Gonzales v. Raich (2005), and United States v. Oakland Cannabis Buyers Cooperative (2001), the Supreme Court seems to be saying that Congress put marijuana into Schedule 1 and it can't be removed because Congress put it there. That argument is nonsense and could not possibly be what the Supreme Court intended to say.
No one would suggest that marijuana cannot be rescheduled. In fact, several marijuana rescheduling petitions have been filed over the past 38 years since the Controlled Substances Act was enacted.
The DEA has just accepted my petition to reschedule marijuana. If Congress had locked marijuana into Schedule I, the DEA would not have just now accepted my petition to reschedule it. It's obvious that marijuana can be rescheduled.
If you look at 21 U.S.C. 812(c), it says “Initial schedules of controlled substances.”
Then it goes on to require the amendment of the schedules: 21 U.S.C. 811(a)(1) (“transfer between such schedules”); 21 U.S.C. 811(b) (“remove a drug or other substance entirely from the schedules”).
It's obvious that Congress didn't intend to reject rescheduling of marijuana simply because Congress initially put marijuana into Schedule I.
So, the question is then: what triggers the rescheduling. In 1991, the U.S. Court of Appeals in Alliance for Cannabis Therapeutics v. DEA, answered that question. The court said there is no federal definition of accepted medical use, and that in the absence of such a defition, the court defers to the DEA's opinion.
In Gonzales v. Oregon (2006), the Supreme Court explained why there is no federal defintion of accepted medical use, saying that Congress never intended to occupy the field of medicine and the states determine accepted medical use. So, there actually is a federal definition of accepted medical use - whatever the states say it is.
In 1991, there was no accepted medical use of marijuana, because the states did not start accepting medical use of marijuana by state statutes until 1996 (California and Arizona).
So, today, there are 12 states that have accepted the medical use of marijuana. These laws are binding on the federal government and the DEA has no discretion in the matter. The DEA's opinion isn't relevant any more.


I guess I should answer your question. Both state (Iowa) and federal law say marijuana has no accepted medical use in treatment in the United States. Although Iowa has the power to say marijuana has no accepted medical use in treatment in Iowa, it cannot speak for the other states. As explained previously, the federal government has no power to say marijuana has no accepted medical use in treatment in the United States. Twelve states say it does have accepted medical use in treatment and that means "in the United States" as explained by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit in 1987 in Grinspoon v. DEA.


Iowans for Medical Marijuana is part of a coalition of groups that filed a rescheduling (in 2002) which is still pending with the DEA: Marijuana Research: The Members of the Coalition for Rescheduling Cannabis
My current petition is different. My current petition is actually just a notice to let the DEA know they are in violation of federal law. There's nothing for them to do but obey federal law and remove marijuana from Schedule I now that it no longer fits the definition of a Schedule I substance. Congress gave the power to determine accepted medical practice to the states (see 21 U.S.C. 903) and not to the DEA. 21 U.S.C. 903 says clearly that Congress did not intent to occupy the field of medicine, and that's how the U.S. Supreme Court interpreted it in 2006 in Gonzales v. Oregon, 546 U.S. 243 (2006). My current petition is purely a matter of law and fact. The law says the stated determine accepted medical use under the federal Controlled Substances Act, 21 U.S.C. 801 et seq., and the fact is that twelve states have determined that marijuana has accepted medical use. The DEA is in violation of federal law for maintaining marijuana in a schedule that says it has no accepted medical use in the United States. My petition merely gives them notice that they are in violation of federal law. The next step is federal court.





Lengthy read, but interesting nonetheless.

So your Carl?

:peace: ~~TLB
 

Seamaiden

Well-Known Member
I will need to time to really chew on this, but usually if Congress enacts something (this time declares a substance to be rated at a particular Schedule), it usually requires Congress to change it. To my own mind it's rather like administrative types making medical decisions (insurance carriers), in other words, they have NO business making such decisions or distinctions. However, my opinion doesn't really change much in matters of fact.
 

Seamaiden

Well-Known Member
Here's a good place to start chewing (as good as any!): US CODE: Title 21,812. Schedules of controlled substances

TITLE 21 > CHAPTER 13 > SUBCHAPTER I > Part B > § 812
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§ 812. Schedules of controlled substances

(a) Establishment There are established five schedules of controlled substances, to be known as schedules I, II, III, IV, and V. Such schedules shall initially consist of the substances listed in this section. The schedules established by this section shall be updated and republished on a semiannual basis during the two-year period beginning one year after October 27, 1970, and shall be updated and republished on an annual basis thereafter.

(b) Placement on schedules; findings required Except where control is required by United States obligations under an international treaty, convention, or protocol, in effect on October 27, 1970, and except in the case of an immediate precursor, a drug or other substance may not be placed in any schedule unless the findings required for such schedule are made with respect to such drug or other substance. The findings required for each of the schedules are as follows:
(1) Schedule I.— (A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
(B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
(C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

(2) Schedule II.— (A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
(B) The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States or a currently accepted medical use with severe restrictions.
(C) Abuse of the drug or other substances may lead to severe psychological or physical dependence.

(3) Schedule III.— (A) The drug or other substance has a potential for abuse less than the drugs or other substances in schedules I and II.
(B) The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
(C) Abuse of the drug or other substance may lead to moderate or low physical dependence or high psychological dependence.

(4) Schedule IV.— (A) The drug or other substance has a low potential for abuse relative to the drugs or other substances in schedule III.
(B) The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
(C) Abuse of the drug or other substance may lead to limited physical dependence or psychological dependence relative to the drugs or other substances in schedule III.

(5) Schedule V.— (A) The drug or other substance has a low potential for abuse relative to the drugs or other substances in schedule IV.
(B) The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
(C) Abuse of the drug or other substance may lead to limited physical dependence or psychological dependence relative to the drugs or other substances in schedule IV.

(c) Initial schedules of controlled substances Schedules I, II, III, IV, and V shall, unless and until amended [1] pursuant to section 811 of this title, consist of the following drugs or other substances, by whatever official name, common or usual name, chemical name, or brand name designated:
(for post brevity I cut out the listed scheduled drugs, you can follow the first link for the full schedule listings)

 

Tanuvan

Well-Known Member
Basically what I gather from it is that at the time (Before Prop 215) there was no evidence to support a reschedule even though several attempts had been made.

Since there was no state approved Medical MJ, congress deferred to the DEA for scheduling recommendations. Now, there is proof that MJ has medicinal benefits both from the volume of states implementing MMJ and the fact that the government itself took out a patent on Cannabinoids.

" The Dept. Of Health and Human Services actually holds a patent (#6.630.507) on the use of cannabinoids for the prevention and treatment of a wide variety of diseases including stroke, trauma, auto-immune disorders, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and HIV dementia"

The decision of rescheduling as indicated by U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit in 1987 in Grinspoon v. DEA. should then lie with the state. The fact that there is a patent for cannabinoids should at the very least require a reschedule from I to II.


Neither the DEA nor Congress are experts in the field of medicine and therefore should not have the sole authority to override medical research and medical doctor recommendations. That is why there is a process for rescheduling...in the event that more research and information is obtained to overturn preconceived notions about a substance.
 

Seamaiden

Well-Known Member
Basically what I gather from it is that at the time (Before Prop 215) there was no evidence to support a reschedule even though several attempts had been made.
Which, of course, is a little problematic if testing and research isn't even allowed.
Since there was no state approved Medical MJ, congress deferred to the DEA for scheduling recommendations. Now, there is proof that MJ has medicinal benefits both from the volume of states implementing MMJ and the fact that the government itself took out a patent on Cannabinoids.
And, "oddly" enough, one must assume that the states that approved for medical use did so using "illegal" research, yes? (Discounting the research done in other countries, as apparently the U.S. won't recognize that which doesn't suit it.)
" The Dept. Of Health and Human Services actually holds a patent (#6.630.507) on the use of cannabinoids for the prevention and treatment of a wide variety of diseases including stroke, trauma, auto-immune disorders, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and HIV dementia"
I believe someone recently posted a Google patent search; someone has patented cannabinoids as antioxidants.
The decision of re-scheduling as indicated by U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit in 1987 in Grinspoon v. DEA. should then lie with the state. The fact that there is a patent for cannabinoids should at the very least require a reschedule from I to II.
Agreed.
Niether the DEA nor Congress are experts in the field of medicine and therefore should not have the sole authority to override medical research and medical doctor recommendations. That is why there is a process for rescheduling...in the event that more research and information is obtained to overturn preconcieved notions about a substance.
EXACTLY! Now, I need to send this to my reprehensible representative. :D
 

Tanuvan

Well-Known Member
If you get a chance, download and read the actual petition of the notice to cease and desist pdf. It is really succinct.
 

Seamaiden

Well-Known Member
If you get a chance, download and read the actual petition of the notice to cease and desist pdf. It is really succinct.
:o No KIDDING! Wow, he's cited FOUR cases to make his argument and declaration as well. FUCK ME BLEU! :hump:

I cannot wait to see the DEA's response. They will balk at this, surely, as much of their funding and activities are focused specifically on mj.
 

blazin waffles

Well-Known Member
Rules of the Attorney General under this subsection shall be made on the record after opportunity for a hearing pursuant to the rulemaking procedures prescribed by subchapter II of chapter 5 of title 5. Proceedings for the issuance, amendment, or repeal of such rules may be initiated by the Attorney General
(1) on his own motion,
(2) at the request of the Secretary, or
(3) on the petition of any interested party. . . . . .. . . .. .

(c) Factors determinative of control or removal from schedules In making any finding under subsection (a) of this section or under subsection (b) of section 812 of this title, the Attorney General shall consider the following factors with respect to each drug or other substance proposed to be controlled or removed from the schedules:
(1) Its actual or relative potential for abuse.
(2) Scientific evidence of its pharmacological effect, if known.
(3) The state of current scientific knowledge regarding the drug or other substance.
(4) Its history and current pattern of abuse.
(5) The scope, duration, and significance of abuse.
(6) What, if any, risk there is to the public health.
(7) Its psychic or physiological dependence liability.
(8) Whether the substance is an immediate precursor of a substance already controlled under this subchapter.


So should we start a petition and send it to the Attorney General?
That may get the ball rolling, eh?

:peace: ~~TLB
 

Tanuvan

Well-Known Member
I believe it is already being done.

Olsen v. DEA - 2008

Their website in the link has the status on the progress of the petition. All we can do is stay informed, and support the organization that is filing it.

I think they are asking for some donations to help cover the filing fees in their fundraiser letter.
 

SafariAri

Active Member
This has been tried before. In fact, a federal judge recommended, to the DEA, that marijuana be rescheduled.

Erowid Cannabis Vault : Francis L. Young Ruling - Index

That's the full report of the judge's findings. This was back in 1988. As much as I would like to see this happen, the more I research people's previous attempts, the more discouraged I become.

BTW rescheduling really wouldn't do much, and it is not what we should be aiming for. While I know that the medical approach to the legalization of marijuana is seemingly the easiest road, rescheduling marijuana to Schedule 2, for instance, would put it in the same category as Cocaine, Opium, and Amphetamines. We need complete legalization.

We need the government to realize that marijuana is a harmless intoxicant that can be used responsibly by consenting adults. It is a much safer alternative to tobacco and alcohol, which have been legal for years. And we need to make it clear that is absolutely ridiculous that billions of our tax dollars go to fighting a useless war against this amazing plant, which only incarcerates hundreds of thousands of otherwise law-abiding citizens, costing even more tax dollars, when it should be used as a revenue stream instead.
 

Seamaiden

Well-Known Member
This has been tried before. In fact, a federal judge recommended, to the DEA, that marijuana be rescheduled.

Erowid Cannabis Vault : Francis L. Young Ruling - Index

That's the full report of the judge's findings. This was back in 1988. As much as I would like to see this happen, the more I research people's previous attempts, the more discouraged I become.

BTW rescheduling really wouldn't do much, and it is not what we should be aiming for. While I know that the medical approach to the legalization of marijuana is seemingly the easiest road, rescheduling marijuana to Schedule 2, for instance, would put it in the same category as Cocaine, Opium, and Amphetamines. We need complete legalization.

We need the government to realize that marijuana is a harmless intoxicant that can be used responsibly by consenting adults. It is a much safer alternative to tobacco and alcohol, which have been legal for years. And we need to make it clear that is absolutely ridiculous that billions of our tax dollars go to fighting a useless war against this amazing plant, which only incarcerates hundreds of thousands of otherwise law-abiding citizens, costing even more tax dollars, when it should be used as a revenue stream instead.
I completely agree with those points, and when arguing in favor of medical mj I point out that my own ultimate goal is to see it handled as tobacco and alcohol are. Just as big a problem, though, are the constituents who continue to be subjected by the anti-drug rhetoric, some of it apparently well-supported and thusly, quite believable.

How is the Average Joe to distinguish when he's been hit with so much information? That's part of the problem, too, this whole Information Age and how it affects the aged who are the fastest growing segment of the voting population. These are the people who also must be reached, as they're often the ones who can be bothered to vote (thus taking the reins for those who can't be bothered to vote). People like my own grandparents, who I've been warned to NEVER tell that I smoke as it would just be too upsetting for them. Honestly, were they just a little bit younger (and physically stronger, mentally back where they used to be) I would sit them down and talk to them about it. I can see my cousins laughing their asses off at me right now. Still, though, I have hope.

I recently learned that my MOTHER has gotten her medical mj card! She smokes to reduce tension and her blood pressure. Between the weed and yoga she's managed to lower her BP enough that she's been taken off two of the four meds she was on. I think that's pretty impressive, m'self. She's 69 years old, and she's the people we want to reach.
 

Seamaiden

Well-Known Member
You are correct. Especially given the flavor of the first paragraph. :rolleyes:
(Washington, DC)—Today, the Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) released its largest-ever compilation of data relating to marijuana. The 2008 Marijuana Sourcebook contains important data on marijuana in the United States including the latest use patterns and trends, health effects, criminal justice aspects, supply sources, and information regarding so-called “medical marijuana.” The publication draws from a wide variety of national scientific and research-based data sources.
They even put it in fucking quotation marks? You know, sometimes, I would LOVE to give some of these assholes the pain in my back. Better yet! The pain in my hips! YEAH! The bastards would never fucking sleep AGAIN without the use of heavy duty pain pills. That's the ticket. :lol:
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
Propaganda.....anti-weed propaganda is what that is.

Should we all file a petition? What should we do? How should we help with this?

Personally I think the sneaky way it was made illegal in the first place is a crime.
 

NewGrowth

Well-Known Member
It's amazing how long marijuana propaganda has sucessfully covered up scientific evidence in support of marijuana. At this point re-scheduling marijuana would mean legalization in MMJ states. Even if re-scheduled to a class II would force a stop to all DEA raids on Medical grows/dispensaries. How is marijuana considered a drug with "high potential for abuse"?:wall:
 
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