Deal is a Deal....

were not just talking about your truck and wood they come and throw your family out on the street and say it was bought with "drug" money.

If you're a caregiver and don't know about tort and forfeiture laws, you might want to familiarize yourself with them.

CountGlochula said:

were not just talking about your truck and wood they come and throw your family out on the street and say it was bought with "drug" money.

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sorry to say but if you gonna play hard ball you better have a good coach . . .. . . .

i.e. get a very good lawyer and you will get off with everything might even get some property back, at least in washington state thats how it works

This is and always will be a "meat puppet" issue.

Things I read in threads like this that make me laugh:
High plant counts..
High growing costs.
Fear of the law.
All of the precious time it take..
Free meds.
Patients need caregivers, caregivers don't need patients.

Any real grower can get plants to harvest more then the meat puppets ever will. So a high plant count isn't even needed.
Any real grower was already growing and over their learning curve so the additional costs are minimal at best.
Any mature adult knows even if growing for just themselves there is the chance of issue with local authorities. So we stay legal to protect ourselves.
Any real grower will tell you how much they love tending to their babies.
They are "no cost" meds to the patients, they are not free by any means.
With out the patients you are not a caregiver.

8 1K lights 12 400w lights, Water reserviors, nutes, flood trays (4 x 8 ), A/Cs, dehumidifiers, Olds Bravada, house, 2 acres, an the list goes on. I got caught. Theres a thread on it. Got the property and house back, but the case is still ongoing.

Well, this is Michigan and it's rated among if not the worst of the states in that respect. Why should some one have to pony up $$$ for a good attorney to begin with and what if they can't afford a stellar defense? Victims are what they'll be...

So should caregivers build in a legal defense fund into the price point? How much will it cost to mount a defense and win a case, just a nominal fee I guess.

Samwell Seed Well said:

sorry to say but if you gonna play hard ball you better have a good coach . . .. . . .

i.e. get a very good lawyer and you will get off with everything might even get some property back, at least in washington state thats how it works

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In the final analysis, my own ego got me in the ass. My state isn't TOO bad on it, but I am looking at prison time if things don't go just right.

God damnit what happened. :O

Jack Harer said:

In the final analysis, my own ego got me in the ass. My state isn't TOO bad on it, but I am looking at prison time if things don't go just right.

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cephalopod said:

So should caregivers build in a legal defense fund into the price point? How much will it cost to mount a defense and win a case, just a nominal fee I guess.

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its the risk you take, the risk i take, and the risk my patients take

not everyhting in life is free, some things require sacrfice if your not worthy then step back

Caregiver risk>Patient risk. Anything worth doing isn't typically easy. When you live in a state with medical laws, you register and follow the law, where should the risk come from? Yes, we all know the FED, JH are you medical and was it a FED group that visited you?

For an expert you find to say white, you'll undoubtedly be able to find one to say black. I'm from the school of, if the people don't harm or wrong anyone, live and let live. IMO cannabis prohibition does far more harm than cannabis would ever be capable of and yet it remains illegal.

Yes the only way I can stay under my plant count and under my dry med count is harvest weekly and patients get the meds the following week. There is also a huge grey area with how much dry USABLE meds you can have. I don't want to risk getting checked in on and having 2-4lbs of meds in jars and try to explain to LEO.." These are CURING..their not USABLE yet....." Yeah cause that will fly in court..I know alot of guys doing this too...Stupid.

Patients really need to educate themselves.
An informed patient isn't going to sign a meat puppet with a couple of lights and a good line of bullshit to be their caregiver.
This will remove 90% of the issue we discuss around here about patients and caregivers.

cephalopod said:

Caregiver risk>Patient risk. Anything worth doing isn't typically easy. When you live in a state with medical laws, you register and follow the law, where should the risk come from? Yes, we all know the FED, JH are you medical and was it a FED group that visited you?

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Nope. I thought about moving before, but the situation was so uncertain what with the feds and state bumping heads, that I figured I was better off at least knowing where I stood. Not the feds. It was a 2 state bust. Don't want to derail this so I'll PM with the details OK Ceph?

Organicgold said:

Yes the only way I can stay under my plant count and under my dry med count is harvest weekly and patients get the meds the following week. There is also a huge grey area with how much dry USABLE meds you can have. I don't want to risk getting checked in on and having 2-4lbs of meds in jars and try to explain to LEO.." These are CURING..their not USABLE yet....." Yeah cause that will fly in court..I know alot of guys doing this too...Stupid.

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I agree, however if LEO's could get educated on methods of harvesting and drying/curing, making concentrates and the amounts of dried flowers it takes to make a useable concentrate etc, then they might be a little more lenient when it comes to checkin in in someone who may be a little over.

I just listened to a radio talk show (planet Greentrees) and they had Lapeer Co's prosecuting attorney as a special guest and he seemed like a pretty cool guy for a PA... His biggest issue was that there's not enough education pertaining to MMJ for the LEO's and rest of the legal system. It's a good listen if you get a chance.

I'm just saying...hope everything works out all right for you and sorry about your luck.

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Nope. I thought about moving before, but the situation was so uncertain what with the feds and state bumping heads, that I figured I was better off at least knowing where I stood. Not the feds. It was a 2 state bust. Don't want to derail this so I'll PM with the details OK Ceph?

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For the patients who don't grow I wonder is it because for what ever reason you can't or is it they don't want to take that risk for themselves?

The names of these states?

Jack Harer said:

Nope. I thought about moving before, but the situation was so uncertain what with the feds and state bumping heads, that I figured I was better off at least knowing where I stood. Not the feds. It was a 2 state bust. Don't want to derail this so I'll PM with the details OK Ceph?

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cephalopod said:

For the patients who don't grow I wonder is it because for what ever reason you can't or is it they don't want to take that risk for themselves?

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The first patient I signed tried, and between having a black thumb and little time to commit to his grow, he found it easier to find a quality caregiver.
My other patient is too flighty or on the go to be tied down and committed.

The issue of the law (which I find to be fear mongering) has never come up in any of our conversations.