Did Ron Paul Win Iowa, Nevada, Minnesota, Colorado and Missouri?

UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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FilthyFizzle said:
I'll take Paul over the governor of Mass any day. Also Romney cant beat Obama sooooo... Its either Ron Paul or Obama
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ron paul does even worse head to head with obama...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html#polls <---romney 4 points behind on average

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_paul_vs_obama-1750.html#polls <-------paul 6.2 points behind on average

why do paulbots feel compelled to lie so often?
 
NLXSK1

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FilthyFizzle

FilthyFizzle

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UncleBuck said:
ron paul does even worse head to head with obama...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html#polls <---romney 4 points behind on average

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_paul_vs_obama-1750.html#polls <-------paul 6.2 points behind on average

why do paulbots feel compelled to lie so often?
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Every poll is biased, you must know that... Especially polls about the presidential nominee that the establishment is trying to avoid at all cost
 
UncleBuck

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FilthyFizzle said:
Every poll is biased, you must know that... Especially polls about the presidential nominee that the establishment is trying to avoid at all cost
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yep, it's all just a conspiracy against ron paul, eh?

it's not like those same polls got it right time after time after time after time now, have they?

what's really happening is that thousands of people over decades of time in dozens of organizations from rasmussen to gallup to PPP to local newspapers have ALL been falsifying data in a massive conspiracy to stop the old gold bug with a history of racism.

seems legit.

:clap:
 
FilthyFizzle

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UncleBuck said:
yep, it's all just a conspiracy against ron paul, eh?

it's not like those same polls got it right time after time after time after time now, have they?

what's really happening is that thousands of people over decades of time in dozens of organizations from rasmussen to gallup to PPP to local newspapers have ALL been falsifying data in a massive conspiracy to stop the old gold bug with a history of racism.

seems legit.

:clap:
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You are trying to play my point down with sarcasm. I'm just sayin I haven't voted on any polls this year and I'm pretty sure very few people under 30 voted on Gallup polls either... Therefore the polls are biased. Every poll is biased whether it is intentional or not. What about the people that do not use the internet?
It's not just a conspiracy against Ron Paul. Ron Paul is just a threat to the agenda and you are watching the establishment's defensive tactics. It happens to anything that threatens the shot callas. I dont think RP will get the nomination. Like Londonfog said, the GOP wont allow it. They are paid, everybody is paid. It's just going to happen....
The corruption is everywhere like cancer and it takes over the country more and more every day. Not only the country but the world. It's happening UncleBuck, whether you want to admit it or not.
Obama is going to get reelected and the country is going to be fucked raw.
 
deprave

deprave

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UncleBuck said:
ron paul does even worse head to head with obama...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html#polls <---romney 4 points behind on average

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_paul_vs_obama-1750.html#polls <-------paul 6.2 points behind on average

why do paulbots feel compelled to lie so often?
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I think if anyone is "lieing" or "misrepresenting" the truth then that would be you.

In many polls Ron Paul has done better then Romney head to head vs Obama, Obviously this poll is bias in some way because Rationally and Logically Ron Paul would do better then Romney..its really simple....

1)Ron Paul gets more independent votes and votes from young people then Romney...Many say independent votes are needed. The winner will need to get young people to compete with Obama's young people. Young people don't vote for Mitt Romney.

2)Ron Paul is socially liberal on many issues and he is able to get liberal votes...stealing away from Obama - (additionally anti-war votes) - Republican's conservatives will not vote for obama over Ron Paul obviously.

3) Ron Paul inspires people who do not normally vote.

4) Mitt Romney is the poster child for everything liberals hate.

5) Mitt Romney doesn't inspire anyone - nobody is enthusiastic about Mitt Romney.
 
UncleBuck

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FilthyFizzle said:
...the polls are biased. Every poll is biased whether it is intentional or not....
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the polls may be biased, but they are EXCELLENT predictors. let's take a look so far...

iowa: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/ia/iowa_republican_presidential_primary-1588.html

romney: 22.8 in polls, 24.5 IRL
paul: 21.5 in polls, 21.4 IRL
santorum: 16.3 in polls, 25.6 IRL
gingrich: 13.3 in polls, 13.7 IRL

NH: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/nh/new_hampshire_republican_presidential_primary-1581.html

romney: 37.5 in polls, 39.3 IRL
paul: 17.5 in polls, 22.9 IRL
gingrich: 10.3 - 9.4
santorum: 11.5 - 9.4

SC: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/sc/south_carolina_republican_presidential_primary-1590.html

gingrich: 33.5 - 40.4
romney: 28.5 - 27.9
paul: 13.8 - 13
santorum: 11.8 - 17

florida: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/fl/florida_republican_presidential_primary-1597.html

romney: 41.8 - 46.4
gongrich: 28.8 - 31.9
santorum: 13 - 13.4
paul: 10.3 - 7

in 2008, the average of polls predicted the final outcome within 1 percentage point (there were more and better polls than the scant ones during a primary season where likely caucus voters are harder to identify than general election voters).

the polls are excellent indicators and predictors.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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deprave said:
I think if anyone is "lieing" or "misrepresenting" the truth then that would be you.

In many polls Ron Paul has done better then Romney head to head vs Obama, Obviously this poll is bias in some way...
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"this poll"?

there is not one poll, there are dozens.

romney has finished ahead of obama in many polls, ron paul has finished ahead of obama in not a single poll.

robn paul fares worse vis a vis obama according to all reputable, scientific metrics.

#dealwithit
 
Harrekin

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UncleBuck said:
yep, it's all just a conspiracy against ron paul, eh?

it's not like those same polls got it right time after time after time after time now, have they?

what's really happening is that thousands of people over decades of time in dozens of organizations from rasmussen to gallup to PPP to local newspapers have ALL been falsifying data in a massive conspiracy to stop the old gold bug with a history of racism.

seems legit.

:clap:
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It's CLEARLY the CIA dude, Iv said it before and I'll say it again...
 
deprave

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romney has finished ahead of obama in many polls, ron paul has finished ahead of obama in not a single poll.
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Like I said, who is telling lies? Let me get you started with a few polls where Paul beats or ties obama.

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/Harris-poll-Romney-RonPaul/2011/09/27/id/412375http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/01/09/cbs-poll-independents-prefer-ron-paul-vs-obama/
http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/05/gingrich-leads-but-paul-most-likely-to-beat-obama-in-latest-iowa-poll/http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/287666/20120125/ron-paul-poll-obama-cnn.htmhttp://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/01/16/rel1bb.pdf
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/tabid/447/ctl/ReadCustom Default/mid/1508/ArticleId/870/Default.aspx
http://www.gallup.com/poll/149114/Obama-Close-Race-Against-Romney-Perry-Bachmann-Paul.aspx
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/obama_39_paul_38
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/27/news/la-pn-obama-paul-poll-20110927
http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-12-04/only-ron-paul-can-beat-obama-in-iowa/
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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deprave said:


Like I said, who is telling lies? Let me get you started with a few polls where Paul beats or ties obama.

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/Harris-poll-Romney-RonPaul/2011/09/27/id/412375http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/01/09/cbs-poll-independents-prefer-ron-paul-vs-obama/
http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/05/gingrich-leads-but-paul-most-likely-to-beat-obama-in-latest-iowa-poll/http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/287666/20120125/ron-paul-poll-obama-cnn.htmhttp://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/01/16/rel1bb.pdf
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/tabid/447/ctl/ReadCustom Default/mid/1508/ArticleId/870/Default.aspx
http://www.gallup.com/poll/149114/Obama-Close-Race-Against-Romney-Perry-Bachmann-Paul.aspx
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/obama_39_paul_38
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/27/news/la-pn-obama-paul-poll-20110927
http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-12-04/only-ron-paul-can-beat-obama-in-iowa/
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the first two links go nowhere.

the third link is an ONLINE POLL! LOL!

the fourth one obama wins over paul among RVs AND national adults. FAIL

the fifth one obama wins over paul 39 to 38, another FAIL

the sixth one has obama beating paul by 4 points right in the headline. FAIL^3

the final link is limited to iowa alone, and they TIE.

again, not a single poll in which paul finishes ahead of obama nationally.

:clap:

A for effort, F based on substance.
 
FilthyFizzle

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Errr you can look back through your poll comparisons because they are not that close lol

Santorum going from 16.3 to 25.6 in Iowa for the win.
Paul going from 17.5 to 22.9 in N.H.
Gingrich rising 7 percent in real life in S.C.

No insult but I apologies anyway.. Jw if you are an old sheeple or a young sheeple
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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FilthyFizzle said:
Errr you can look back through your poll comparisons because they are not that close lol

Santorum going from 16.3 to 25.6 in Iowa for the win.
Paul going from 17.5 to 22.9 in N.H.
Gingrich rising 7 percent in real life in S.C.

No insult but I apologies anyway.. Jw if you are an old sheeple or a young sheeple
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santorum and gingrich were surging in polls, which explains the gap.

it is also notoriously difficult to poll caucuses, as a very narrow segment of the population participates, yet they nonetheless get it almost dead right every time.

it is much easier to poll national elections as a wider swath of the population participates, and they nail it dead to rights on that level.

those were the only 3 discrepancies you can name out of dozens of otherwise incredibly accurate results.

the polls are not rigged for sheeple, you just can't accept that ron paul is not wanted by a WIDE, LARGE swath of the population.
 
FilthyFizzle

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UncleBuck said:
you just can't accept that ron paul is not wanted by a WIDE, LARGE swath of the population.
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wide large swath of the population likes Mitt Romney? lol bullshit

The primaries and caucuses do not necessarily support the views of the American citizens. The system is flawed in the puppet masters favor. Also think about the people that were unable to vote because they didn't change to a republican in time..

If there were a legit vote between Obama and Paul tomorrow morning, I believe RP would win
 
deprave

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Romney's lead dips despite wins: Reuters/Ipsos poll



http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/07/us-usa-campaign-poll-idUSTRE81514720120207


Texas Congressman Ron Paul's support grew by 5 percentage points to 21 percent, moving him into second place and ahead of former House of Representatives speaker Newt Gingrich, whose support slipped to 19 percent from 20 percent.

POLLING IS ONLY INCLUDING CONVSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS

[video=youtube;hAINP42Yf2c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAINP42Yf2c[/video]
 
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