Didnt Flush

Flushing is not a "myth" but a common misconception. That misconception being that it's the nutes that make the bud taste bad or harsh when it is really the starches/sugars. Usually these are broken down while in the drying/curing process. Dry/cure too fast and the starches/sugars don't break down causing bad tasting harsh smoking bud. The only true flush being the "make it rain" technique described in this thread here:

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/409622-truth-about-flushing.html#post5323751

Essentially you drown the roots depriving them of oxygen. When this happens the plant will start to ferment the starches/sugars into alcohol and feed on that (IIRC). With this process the starches/sugars are mostly gone by the time you chop and very smokable after a good slow dry with minimal curing in jars.

cause and effect of a smelly sponge aka ganja= nutewater in= nutewater soaked up. please flush at least one or two waterings wtf its not mad science

Most growers i know flush with molasseses (contains nutes and a lil extra) so they aren't really flushing at all.
Basically just washing some of the salts out of the soil.

Rumple said:

Pretty sure Jorge Cervantes can grow weed better than any of the rocket scientist here on the forums. He says flushing is a good idea, he has the crops and "cannabis cup" growing friends. Not sure why I should doubt him and listen to some rookie grower.

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George Cervantes's books are full of misconceptions and contradictions. Only a moron holds that guy with high regard and name drops the cannabis cup.

I've grown soil, coco, and dwc, flushing, and not flushing. The high was the same, the taste was the same, the burn was the same flush or no flush.

Surprise friend, I don't flush even a tiny bit. You and a many others have smoked my bud and not once has anyone tasted nutes in my weed. I've flushed and I haven't flushed with the same outcome. I can't speak for foxfarm nutes, I don't use them. But I've smoked nugs back to back that I've grown (flushed and not flushed), in joints and in a vape and there was no difference in high, taste, or how it burned.

Bigtacofarmer said:

You are wrong sir! Nug for nug I can tell if its flushed or not by smoking it. I can identify fox farm nutes by taste alone. I agree in a hydro system that you may only need to flush a day or so. But if you think smoking nutes is yummy you should cough up the cash for a sack of kind bud so you can see how much smoother and cooler it burns. I don't care what strain or system your running, FLUSH! If you don't agree, your loss not mine. suckers!

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agree that flushing is a myth............a fable even. read up on how plants take up nutes. botany 101 text will suffice. i use "Principles of Horticulture."

Capt. Stickyfingers said:

Surprise friend, I don't flush even a tiny bit. You and a many others have smoked my bud and not once has anyone tasted nutes in my weed. I've flushed and I haven't flushed with the same outcome. I can't speak for foxfarm nutes, I don't use them. But I've smoked nugs back to back that I've grown (flushed and not flushed), in joints and in a vape and there was no difference in high, taste, or how it burned.

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You don't understand though, we clearly just have inferior palettes or simply don't care as much. How silly of us. I like that he is basing his argument on flushing from a position of ignorance.

I didnt flush this time. I tapered off the nutes and plain watered a couple of times. Last feed was EC 1.2

lahadaextranjera said:

I didnt flush this time. I tapered off the nutes and plain watered a couple of times. Last feed was EC 1.2

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that's what i do. although i'm organic. my soil feeds continuously

tip top toker said:

You don't understand though, we clearly just have inferior palettes or simply don't care as much. How silly of us. I like that he is basing his argument on flushing from a position of ignorance.

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He's not ignorant, he probably smoked some bud that wasn't the greatest and it just happened to be grown in foxfarm and wasn't flushed. Taco's a good guy, I know him personally and he grows some fine weed. Depending where bud is dried and how, can greatly affect the way it tastes. I've smoked a guy's weed once that tasted like wd40, he flushed. I've also seen weed that smelled and tasted like the person's house/carpet.

I am talking of ignorance in that he is claiming that there is a difference and that we just do not care enough of have a lesser palette . He has no idea how much we care of what kind of palette we have. Ignorance. He is also claiming to speak for "any real pot snob",again, ignorance, he doen'st kow if every real pot snob notices it yet he is trying to assure me that they all do.

I didn't see what happened in this thread, if this kind of abusive argumenting happens please feel free to contact the mods.
We don't want this kind of behavior here.

I've deleted a few posts which were very provocative and/or outright offensive.



In regards to the pre-harvest flushing (I assume that is the crux of the argument, not flushing per se) argument, it's very nice to see how people seem to be more enlightened.
It's good to see people thinking for themselves and not just hopping on the bandwagon of some famous author or taking things as fact without proof.

We've had pre-harvest flushing arguments on this site for a long time but I really enjoy seeing the majority lean towards science and understanding instead of listening to people who haven't even smoked weed or celeb cannabis authors who in reality know nothing of biology, chemistry and science in general.

I'm saying in a side by side taste test, one plant flushed, the other one not. You will taste the difference every time. Supersoil recipes are designed to run out of nutes at the end for a reason. Almost every major fertilizer company makes a flush or a finishing formula. In a fast growing system with a nute hungry plant you may only need to flush for a little while, but you still need to. Jason King who wrote the Cannabible series recomends at least 2 weeks or longer with some strains. DJ short says at the very least one full watering with run off and one more after that. Every grow book says flush. Jason and DJ have smoked more kinds of weed than any of us and are known two be some of the most respected people in terms of good weed. I bet even Arjan flushes. I don't think I'm being arrogant, I think your weed is lower quality than it should be and you just don't seem to mind.

As far as in nature, it don't need to flush because everything is growing off of compost and wormcastings. If you want to grow weed old style and not push it to the limit I'm sure flushing is of no use. Go throw some top of the line fertilizer in any natural setting and if it don't burn everything it will explode in growth. I know when buying produce I can taste excess fertilizer sometimes too.

I don't mean to come across offensive but I don't even view it as an arguement so much as a chance to help others have better smoke. My taste buds have prove it to me and my friends thousands of times. Not ripping on your taste buds unless they don't work, then I just feel bad for you, my shit taste awesome (bowl after joint after joint after whatever)!

Capt. Stickyfingers said:

Surprise friend, I don't flush even a tiny bit. You and a many others have smoked my bud and not once has anyone tasted nutes in my weed. I've flushed and I haven't flushed with the same outcome. I can't speak for foxfarm nutes, I don't use them. But I've smoked nugs back to back that I've grown (flushed and not flushed), in joints and in a vape and there was no difference in high, taste, or how it burned.

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Now we have to run us an experiment!

Bigtacofarmer said:

Now we have to run us an experiment!

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Sure, what type of experiment are you thinking?

Bigtacofarmer said:

I'm saying in a side by side taste test, one plant flushed, the other one not. You will taste the difference every time. Supersoil recipes are designed to run out of nutes at the end for a reason. Almost every major fertilizer company makes a flush or a finishing formula. In a fast growing system with a nute hungry plant you may only need to flush for a little while, but you still need to. Jason King who wrote the Cannabible series recomends at least 2 weeks or longer with some strains. DJ short says at the very least one full watering with run off and one more after that. Every grow book says flush. Jason and DJ have smoked more kinds of weed than any of us and are known two be some of the most respected people in terms of good weed. I bet even Arjan flushes. I don't think I'm being arrogant, I think your weed is lower quality than it should be and you just don't seem to mind.

As far as in nature, it don't need to flush because everything is growing off of compost and wormcastings. If you want to grow weed old style and not push it to the limit I'm sure flushing is of no use. Go throw some top of the line fertilizer in any natural setting and if it don't burn everything it will explode in growth. I know when buying produce I can taste excess fertilizer sometimes too.

I don't mean to come across offensive but I don't even view it as an arguement so much as a chance to help others have better smoke. My taste buds have prove it to me and my friends thousands of times. Not ripping on your taste buds unless they don't work, then I just feel bad for you, my shit taste awesome (bowl after joint after joint after whatever)!

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I have done a side by side comparison. As have quite a few other growers on this site.
I saw no difference in taste what so ever.
Where I have seen a difference is during drying & curing.
Having a proper drying period, with proper temperatures, steady humidity and a good airflow as well as having a well thought out cure with attention to detail can bring out the best of the particular strain you are growing (even improve it).
On the other hand, a fast dry with improper burping times in the cure can lead to nasty harsh bud.

I think you are being rather arrogant by saying that the weed people who don't flush grow must be of lower quality (in essence; they should taste a difference because pre-harvest flushing removes the nutrients from the buds (improves the taste)).

I have provided scientific evidence for the false assumption, which it is.

You can search the forum to get every piece of information but a lot of it is here: https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/496111-i-dont-starve-my-plants-15.html

I'm not even going to argue over the "author argument".
It's silly to believe that self proclaimed experts (not educated in science) know everything.
Many of the most celebrated and brilliant famous growers have been proven wrong.
I like Jorge Cervantes but a lot of what he has written and said has been proven wrong by scientific research.

I would prefer if you used the term 'pre-harvest flushing' instead of flushing.
There is a huge difference between the two.
Flushing can be helpful in correcting a salt build up, overfeeding or a pH issue (and many other things).
Pre-harvest flushing is a complete and utter myth, there is no evidence for any of it's proclaimed benefits to work or be factual.
I have seen people say it improves everything from taste (removes harshness), odour, growth, potency and a whole lot of other nonsense.

The important thing is that no proof has been provided.
It's not even a theory, it has been proven incorrect.

What are you talking about; "..grow weed old style and not push it to the limit.."?
I think you seriously underestimate the amazing weed people who visit this site grow.
Especially the veterans.
To me you are talking utter nonsense in that paragraph.

*update*
the plant was harvested on a thursday evening and the first sample smoke was on the saturday evening (two days later). that was the harsh tasting smoke i posted about...
on tuesday, 5 days after the harvest, the smoke is easily 1000X's cleaner and smoother. not sure why.
perhaps it was the chlorophyll ....not sure, but the taste has improved drastically.
thats what i found. hope it helps...

: )

now to soothe any jangled nerves from the debate... PLANT PORN!!!!!

(some outdoor ladies)

...enjoy!

Bigtacofarmer said:

Now we have to run us an experiment!

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Given your previous statements i was under the impression you had a very refined sense of taste and smell, why would you need to run an experiment? You said you could tell nug for nug if they were or were not flushed. "Nug for nug I can tell if its flushed or not by smoking it." And going by the request for experiments, you were not simply keeping quiet about it so as not to displease a friend. So nug for nug it appears you can't tell the difference.

We only match a fatty now and then. And haven't grown any of the same clones. Our systems are completely different, DWC with GH and mine are Soil and AN organic. Personally I do feel mine is better and smoother but that is not to say I don't like his (we have also been choosing the trait we each personally love). I'm sure we can work out a fair scientific experiment and get back to you. I see your point, and respect it, I just don't agree. I have ran these experiments on my own and know why I feel this way. I don't mind displeasing a friend, his herb is nice. Exceptionally nice for the small amount of nutes he buys. That also helps the not flushing I'm sure. GH is a no bullshit hydro company and has been for years. Thinking about it that may make a difference. Any time I haven't flushed I can taste it. I have also been a mostly organic guy from the start. And yes I do think everyones taste buds are different...... and that makes all the difference in the world for some things. Never said I could tell without smoking it. I'm only in it for the smoke, so what a chemy or uncured or whatever nug looks like means nothing until smoking a fatty of it. Also he smokes joints about 1/3 the size of mine.