Discouraged from the foam... advice please!

36OhBuds

36OhBuds

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firsttimeARE said:
I think if you weren't using all those additives that wouldn't of happened.

Your res temperatures sound fine.

You could run bennies. I have used them before to clear out problems and they work great. Unless your roots are brown and slimey feeling I think all you will get is a nice sleep at night from it. If you rinsed your roots of foam and made a clean res, you should be fine. You're feeding way too much though. At this stage I would not be using nutrients at all and if I was it would be something like my water is .12EC out of tap and i'd do like .2EC total. So not even a .1EC so something like 50ppm.

I've gotten the foam before and everything stayed healthy. Just changed the res every 1-2 weeks.

Oh and stop PHing tap water. PH balance is only relevant when nutrients are present to absorb.
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Sounds good. I cleaned out the foamy res hardcore yesterday as I said with iso and h202, then soap, then tons of hot water until it smelled like plastic bucket again. The foam is gone in the other two like I said, but they're still stunted out.

Should I just take ALL the nutes out of the other two buckets and give them tap water too? One bottom cotyledon on the Snow White plant is literally half yellow, but since I changed the bucket to just water it seems to have stopped. Not lime green, yellow, and it stops in an abrupt line, not gradually throughout the leaf.

They're not brown, but the net pots had some clear slime on them. I tried wiping them off the best I can until I can get bennies in there.

The plants are definitely stunted. Today is day 11 or 12 above ground and they don't even have two full leaf sets... plus they've been frozen at the size they're at for like 4-5 days now.
 
firsttimeARE

firsttimeARE

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Try leaving the plants in their starter cubes next time. Let them fill those out with roots before you transfer to buckets.

I would do a tea and pour it through your medium. It will help root growth out.

11-12 days I would have the first set of single blades and then I would have a 2nd set coming out of 3 leafers. The bottom of the starter cube(I used RW) would be covered in roots and ready for transplant.

Your plant is likely stunted because its working on sending its tap root out and more than likely your nutrient levels were kind of high. But this is just a guess.
 
36OhBuds

36OhBuds

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firsttimeARE said:
Try leaving the plants in their starter cubes next time. Let them fill those out with roots before you transfer to buckets.

I would do a tea and pour it through your medium. It will help root growth out.

11-12 days I would have the first set of single blades and then I would have a 2nd set coming out of 3 leafers. The bottom of the starter cube(I used RW) would be covered in roots and ready for transplant.

Your plant is likely stunted because its working on sending its tap root out and more than likely your nutrient levels were kind of high. But this is just a guess.
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I would have waited but the peat plugs were literally falling apart down the middle so I said fuck it. Using rapid rooter plugs now and germed two seeds, they're sprouting the surface today.

Cool - thanks for all the advice I really appreciate it. Should have let them go longer for sure so I could plant them higher. I think a light leak is an issue too. Trying to stretch them just out of the net pot lol but they're stunted
 
firsttimeARE

firsttimeARE

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I plant down in the netpot with the bottom of starter cube a .5inch-1inch (12mm-25mm) . If you have slots up high it kind of sucks, because you cannot fill the pot up to cover all the slots. But once the plant grows you can cut the bottom branches off and fill it up more with medium and the plant will grow more roots from where the branches were cut off.

Planting so low you also want the water like 2 inches below the netpot so it doesn't become too soaked and the plant can breath.

Light leaks will definitely cause that foam.
 
M

machead

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I have it in my reservoir at the min an i can not get rid of it no matter what i do. I am to far into flowering to just start again!. I'd go on to say this been my hardest grow to date with it as its first time i have hit this problem.

I normally change reservoir once every two weeks but cant with this the amount of build up in my tank is unreal. Tried that liquid oxogen stuff an just keeps coming back.

I cant clean out each pot individually as i have a net over the flood an drain system so cant lift each pot an give them a good clean out.

Also to scared to flood with the liquid oxogen as its a pretty big system an takes ages to flood an drain.

Plants still looking mighty fine thou.
 
36OhBuds

36OhBuds

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firsttimeARE said:
I plant down in the netpot with the bottom of starter cube a .5inch-1inch (12mm-25mm) . If you have slots up high it kind of sucks, because you cannot fill the pot up to cover all the slots. But once the plant grows you can cut the bottom branches off and fill it up more with medium and the plant will grow more roots from where the branches were cut off.

Planting so low you also want the water like 2 inches below the netpot so it doesn't become too soaked and the plant can breath.

Light leaks will definitely cause that foam.
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Yeah the net pots I wish they made with less holes. I may have the water too high then. The hydroton is staying wet like 3-4 almost 5 layers of rocks up.

So after manually inoculating them yesterday with ZHO I see the first growth in like a week lol. I put 20 mL of Aquashield in each res, and dissolved 1/4 tsp of ZHO into water and poured it over the roots. At 3 PM I'll pour a small amount of tea over the hydroton too.

The B2 plant already starting sprouting a new leaf set
 
36OhBuds

36OhBuds

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Are they hungry or refusing to eat? Hope res change tomorrow helps. For example:

B2 today and when I first posted in thread

4 Days Ago - Today

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Def a LITTLE bit lighter. But nothing to worry about too much?
 
36OhBuds

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Res change for all three, actually removed ALL the rocks from B2 and Sabrina, pulled em out and got a picture of Sabrina's roots. Small, rotted, but she sprouted a second tap and is moving quick. Cleaned em off and it might actually just be after slime since the benes are probably starting to work.

Re-dosed the Aquashield and ZHO with the new res and at 3:30 they get some tea poured down through the Hydroton.

Tomorrow at 3:30 they get 3 cups each.

Sabrina and B2 look much better replanted and up a ways and lowered my water levels a bit to make sure they don't suffocate per some advice from other veterans.

When I post pictures in my journal I'll post them here too. I think Sabrina had some after slime from just a full strength aquashield/ZHO treatment. I'll get pictures up, it's cool, you can see where she sprouted a second tap.
 
70's natureboy

70's natureboy

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Those plants are too small to be transplanted in the rocks imo. I know you said yur plugs fell apart but being that small takes a lot of tlc. I probably would have put them in rockwool to grow some more roots before going to the rocks. I can't stand to look at brown or black sewer water in my buckets either so I ditched my beloved floranova for some cleaner nutes (Dynagro) and I'm lovin' the nice clean resevoirs.
 
36OhBuds

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Yeah the color was bothersome but the other two buckets weren't dark like that one yet. After the res change B2 is taking off. I'll get pictures tomorrow.

I dumped approx 1 cup of 24 hour brewed tea into the hydroton and roots of each plant. B2's root system was quite large and had tons sideroots and shoots so I'm confident he's fine. The snow white's was small but one portion was brown/slimey like the after slime they show in the benes thread and there was a new tap growing. Going to send the picture over to my cpu shortly.

But overall since the fresh res and full strength aquashield/zho, replanted them up top and cleaned up light leaks, they're doing awesome in just tap water out of the bath tub.

Going to give them each the 3 cups tomorrow right into the res and watch em grow. The 3 leaf set for the biggest plant is coming in fast, has gone from barely visible to 3 distinct leaves just today. So fun to check every 4 hours and see the difference. Doing a mini time lapse with myself on my phone lol

Happy things are turning around though and hopefully the full strength tea helps them thrive instead of dive!
 
36OhBuds

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They get some tea today in about 3 hours. But there's an issue with Sabrina.

First picture is B2, is he getting hungry? Nute time?

Second picture is Sabrina, got some yellow blotches/one tip looks not so happy. They're just in tap water with tea and aquashield/ZHO right now. Getting tea treatment today like I said.

(The powder on his leaves is just dried up ZHO from when I poured it onto the rocks around, got some on him and it dried on the leaves)
 
Malevolence

Malevolence

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36OhBuds said:
I've used Technaflora Sugar Daddy, Root 66 and Thrive Alive B1 thus far. Buckets get new water on Sunday, but since it's in the hydroton and what not am I stuck with this the whole grow?

I'm tempted to just kill the plants, bleach everything and start over. I don't want to spend my first grow miserable and get shitty gross weed from nasty buckets.

Advice?
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Clean the inside of your buckets, air stones, and the portion of air line that is in your bucket with hot bleach water... no need to go balls out.

Make new buckets of water; stick with base nutes and aquashield/benes for now, until you get your grows dialed in. Add silica like pro-tekt or silica blast when they recover and start vegging. PPM sounds ok, make sure ph stays in the 5.6 - 6.1 range; aim for 5.8.

Ensure no light leaks, wrap buckets with reflectix or duct tape.

Don't put anything "organic" in a dwc bucket like molasses or organic nutes unless you are a fucking scientist or something. Heisenberg says don't use enzymes like pond-zyme or hygrozyme when you potentially have root rot shit in your res because the enzymes will feed the pathogens.

If you really don't want to fuck around mix up some aquashield or great white, and earthworm castings (ancient forest humus) and let it bubble in a 5g bucket for a couple days, then add it to your res. But I would just try cleaning with hot bleach water, gently flush roots with tap water if there is any shit on them, and just try aquashield or great white. That will most likely stop any problems as long as you keep using benes.
 
36OhBuds

36OhBuds

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Malevolence said:
Clean the inside of your buckets, air stones, and the portion of air line that is in your bucket with hot bleach water... no need to go balls out.

Make new buckets of water; stick with base nutes and aquashield/benes for now, until you get your grows dialed in. Add silica like pro-tekt or silica blast when they recover and start vegging. PPM sounds ok, make sure ph stays in the 5.6 - 6.1 range; aim for 5.8.

Ensure no light leaks, wrap buckets with reflectix or duct tape.

Don't put anything "organic" in a dwc bucket like molasses or organic nutes unless you are a fucking scientist or something. Heisenberg says don't use enzymes like pond-zyme or hygrozyme when you potentially have root rot shit in your res because the enzymes will feed the pathogens.

If you really don't want to fuck around mix up some aquashield or great white, and earthworm castings (ancient forest humus) and let it bubble in a 5g bucket for a couple days, then add it to your res. But I would just try cleaning with hot bleach water, gently flush roots with tap water if there is any shit on them, and just try aquashield or great white. That will most likely stop any problems as long as you keep using benes.
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Just finished the tea yesterday and going on 24 hours with it in the res/in the system. We'll see how it does! There was a weird white foam instead of brown so I think it's killing something. I'll just run benes this time around. Better than shitty plants. lol
 
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