Do i have Magnesium deficiency? Look at my pis please!
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VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO
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looks like more then mag, maybe N or maybe nute burn.
What are you feeding her?
What are you feeding her?
fred flintstoned
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The first step is always to flush thoroughly. Eliminates any possibility of lockout.
I agree with Victory, several things going on there. Definitely Mg deficiency, but signs of nute burn suggest a lockout/soil toxicity situation.
Flush well with Ph'd water and feed with lower strength nutes. Buy a PPM meter and monitor it and Ph closely. That plant isn't old enough for high strength nutes anyway.
It should clear up pretty quickly. The most damaged leaves won't recover. If the problem persists, you may need to add some Cal-Mag. Aquarium grade Epsom salts also work but can easily cause an Iron overdose.
Hope this helps,
Fred
I agree with Victory, several things going on there. Definitely Mg deficiency, but signs of nute burn suggest a lockout/soil toxicity situation.
Flush well with Ph'd water and feed with lower strength nutes. Buy a PPM meter and monitor it and Ph closely. That plant isn't old enough for high strength nutes anyway.
It should clear up pretty quickly. The most damaged leaves won't recover. If the problem persists, you may need to add some Cal-Mag. Aquarium grade Epsom salts also work but can easily cause an Iron overdose.
Hope this helps,
Fred
Fred Flintstoned I wish you replied to my prob a few weeks back lol, But yea man it seems you got toxic soil, which if you go to counteract a deficiency(adding more food) you will kill your plant, the shit thing is toxic soil gives the impression of a deficiency unless you spot the tip burn which can be slight especially at the earlier stages of toxic soil/PH way out of optimal range problems, at that earlier stage you could sware the plant needs more food. so yea Rinse your soil with at least 100% runoff, off just water at the correct PH
wow great forum and quick respons! Ok so does it mean that the soil is toxic and that the plants dont get enough of food and if i ad more that will kill my plants? i give them hesi after the hesi schedule, rootcomplex, powerzyme, TNTcomplex and SuperVit. I use normal and only soil but a expensive one with high quality . I dont control my PH, dont have a PHmeter but i guess im gonna have to get one. The problem started in the end of week2 in the growth period and its only the first leafs not at the top. If i flush them and let them stay in exampel bathtub for a while, what do i do next? should i fed them next time or not?
thx guys for helping me out!
thx guys for helping me out!
fred flintstoned
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Your soil has organic nutes in it? Adding more nutes, even organics will cause toxicity in these types of soil. Most high quality (expensive) soils are of this type. Premature addition of nutes will definitely cause problems quickly. This causes lockout. The plant can't uptake nutes. Adding more will kill it. A good soil will feed a MJ plant for about 6-8 weeks with no additional feed and a simple compost tea should be almost enough to make it all the way.
Your soil is probably way overferted by now, these type of soils are difficult to flush. Put the pot in the bathtub on a crate or something to elevate it. Add three gallons water per gallon of soil. Obviously it won't take it all at once, so take your time. The last gallon or so should have the proper Ph. Around 6.5 or so. Yes, you have to buy a meter, about $40-80 for a decent one. Go the extra bucks for the waterproof model. You will drop that fucker in a bucket sooner or later. You may get lucky and your tap water is in the correct range. Doubt it though. If you can't get the meter immediately, don't sweat it, flush that bitch anyway and let it drain for an hour or so.
After the flush, be careful with the nutes. Start with 25% percent strength, at most, in a week or so. Slowly. over a month or so. ramp up to 50%. Never use nutes at manufacturer recommended levels. It always causes more problems than it's worth. They are trying to sell you more nutes, right?
Organic growing is much more difficult than most other styles. It's a steep learning curve, but well worth it. Search: Subcool. His super soil mix is basically your soil with some readily available additions. It can carry the plant through it's entire life cycle with only water, no additional nutes other than a little compost tea now and then.
Good luck,
Fred
Your soil is probably way overferted by now, these type of soils are difficult to flush. Put the pot in the bathtub on a crate or something to elevate it. Add three gallons water per gallon of soil. Obviously it won't take it all at once, so take your time. The last gallon or so should have the proper Ph. Around 6.5 or so. Yes, you have to buy a meter, about $40-80 for a decent one. Go the extra bucks for the waterproof model. You will drop that fucker in a bucket sooner or later. You may get lucky and your tap water is in the correct range. Doubt it though. If you can't get the meter immediately, don't sweat it, flush that bitch anyway and let it drain for an hour or so.
After the flush, be careful with the nutes. Start with 25% percent strength, at most, in a week or so. Slowly. over a month or so. ramp up to 50%. Never use nutes at manufacturer recommended levels. It always causes more problems than it's worth. They are trying to sell you more nutes, right?
Organic growing is much more difficult than most other styles. It's a steep learning curve, but well worth it. Search: Subcool. His super soil mix is basically your soil with some readily available additions. It can carry the plant through it's entire life cycle with only water, no additional nutes other than a little compost tea now and then.
Good luck,
Fred
see what your new leaves will do before you do anything because sometimes in the beginning of a grow your plants can suffer from nute burn and alot of people make the mistake by flushing or adding more nute and if you don't need to do anything this can be bad what kind of soil are you useing alot of companys soil have to much nuts for seedlings and can cause nute burn. just wait a couple of days.
Thank you very much Fred! Yes, I have organic nutes in my soil, and now I understand that I must be careful with the nutes from Hesi. For now i dont have the money for the PHmeter so im gona Have to flush Without checking PH But im gona buy one soon. I will do as you said regarding the nutes after the flush. What do you think is best for the next crop, to use a poor organic soilmix with perlite and and feed plants with a normal dose of Hesi or should I use a good soil with organic nutes and only use half the dose of Hesi, I know that people have different views on this but I need to still decide in the end. I will update with new pics (not pis
soon.thx again Fred!
you were here so it worksjust popped in to say this thread has an epic title!
im confused, maby i will flush one of my plants first and see what happens. Thx for the replay!
fred flintstoned
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Sometimes it is best to just wait and see what happens, in fact, that's usually what I do. I don't sweat over every leaf being perfect. Don't have the patience. This isn't one of those times. This is a well advanced deficiency. Notice how the entire leaves are covered. That took a few days to develop. No doubt it's spreading, too.
There's no guarantee it's a lockout/overdose situation. It could be a simple Mg deficiency. The only way to correctly identify the problem is to proceed with the flush and reduction of nute concentration. You could flush from now to next week and you wont be able to flush out the nutes originally in the soil. With time and experience you'll be able to tell the difference between lockout and simple deficiency, most likely it wont happen in the first place. The nute schedule you posted is what causes me to think lockout.
The path to organic nirvana is long, complicated and expensive. It's also well worth it. My entire farm is organic and our produce brings top dollar at market. My organic weed does too. But, understand that it took a lot of years and dollars to get here.
While I hope you will continue down that path, maybe next round you should try synthetics. Makes my head hurt to say that, but, you have to learn the basics before you can move on to more advanced cultivation methods. Indoors is a different world compared to outdoor where organics are a little easier to manage.
Start with a soiless medium like Promix or Sunshine #4. Then use the nutes according to the manufacturers schedule. At max 75% of course. A few rounds this way will give you the skills to jump into organics with both feet. It also gives you the time to build up everything you need to mix a killer soil. Search Subcool's Supersoil. It's not cheap to amass all the stuff but you can reuse it over and over with minimal additives. You also only add plain water, no extra nutes other than some compost tea now and then. The Rev also has a good organic soil mix. Search: True Living Organics or simply go to Skunk magazine.com.
Good luck,
Fred
There's no guarantee it's a lockout/overdose situation. It could be a simple Mg deficiency. The only way to correctly identify the problem is to proceed with the flush and reduction of nute concentration. You could flush from now to next week and you wont be able to flush out the nutes originally in the soil. With time and experience you'll be able to tell the difference between lockout and simple deficiency, most likely it wont happen in the first place. The nute schedule you posted is what causes me to think lockout.
The path to organic nirvana is long, complicated and expensive. It's also well worth it. My entire farm is organic and our produce brings top dollar at market. My organic weed does too. But, understand that it took a lot of years and dollars to get here.
While I hope you will continue down that path, maybe next round you should try synthetics. Makes my head hurt to say that, but, you have to learn the basics before you can move on to more advanced cultivation methods. Indoors is a different world compared to outdoor where organics are a little easier to manage.
Start with a soiless medium like Promix or Sunshine #4. Then use the nutes according to the manufacturers schedule. At max 75% of course. A few rounds this way will give you the skills to jump into organics with both feet. It also gives you the time to build up everything you need to mix a killer soil. Search Subcool's Supersoil. It's not cheap to amass all the stuff but you can reuse it over and over with minimal additives. You also only add plain water, no extra nutes other than some compost tea now and then. The Rev also has a good organic soil mix. Search: True Living Organics or simply go to Skunk magazine.com.
Good luck,
Fred
VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO
New Member
spend 15 bucks and get one dude, hereThank you very much Fred! Yes, I have organic nutes in my soil, and now I understand that I must be careful with the nutes from Hesi. For now i dont have the money for the PHmeter so im gona Have to flush Without checking PH But im gona buy one soon. I will do as you said regarding the nutes after the flush. What do you think is best for the next crop, to use a poor organic soilmix with perlite and and feed plants with a normal dose of Hesi or should I use a good soil with organic nutes and only use half the dose of Hesi, I know that people have different views on this but I need to still decide in the end. I will update with new pics (not pis
thx again Fred!
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Spanishfly
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Who really knows???? All the above answers are just GUESSES - and your guess is as good as mine.
fred flintstoned
Well-Known Member
That's definitely Mg deficiency. You're right fly, it's anybody's guess as to the cause. That's why I laid out the methodology to arrive at a conclusive answer.
Fred
Fred
NegroNinja
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lol It does!! I didn't even notice that.
just popped in to say this thread has an epic title!