SEE!! JRH gets my point exactly!
The thread title says it all, only stupid people care about their rights.
Do People Have The Right To Organize And Shut Down Town Hall Discussion?
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SEE!! JRH gets my point exactly!
The thread title says it all, only stupid people care about their rights.
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it really is a stupid thread topic
do stupid people have the right....
that is a dark path your going down when you start picking and choosing who gets what rights.... pretty prejudice, and just plain selfish
do stupid people have the right....
that is a dark path your going down when you start picking and choosing who gets what rights.... pretty prejudice, and just plain selfish
PVS
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yeah, it sure said that. (it didn't)
PVS
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refute what? your opinion on proposed healthcare specs or psychic prediction that the "government will fuck it up"? really i don't give a shit. its not the topic anyway.
PVS
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its sad that you have to explain this and even more sad that he still won't understand.
Rob Roy
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So you conveniently ignore the mandatory part eh? That's okay, most refuse to see or discuss the obvious.
My pyschic prediction? That's funny. You think more government is needed? How the fuck did inflation get started? Multi trillion dollar debt? Wars? Drug prohibition? Our government imprisons more people percentage wise than any other country and you want MORE government?
The topic was town hall stuff, ignorant people etc. I agree ignorant people should have the right to an opinion, they do not have a right to use government take my liberty away though.
OregonMeds
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They can if they have over 50% of the votes or if they can fake having over 50%. I seem to recall having some of my liberties taken away recently when some number of idiots voted for baby Bush and he shoved a patriot act up our asses.
Same thing happened before many times for example like prohibition both alcohol and other...
Rob Roy
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So two wrongs make a right? The Patriot Act was voted in by alot of Republicans and Democrats. All of them were wrong.
The Patriot Act is an affront to liberty.
So is mandatory healthcare.
A majority vote does not ensure correctness or morality. Often times a majority vote can take liberty and create more victimless crimes...pot for example.
OregonMeds
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I never agreed with the patriot act nor any of the other thousands of things that have taken away liberties except socialized health care I do support, I believe it's in everyone and the countries best interests as a whole.
Saying it's not is like saying we shouldn't have public schools. An educated public is no more important than a healthy one, you need both for maximum productivity.
I'm not at all a fan of this health care bill, I would have chosen one exactly like france with no insurance companies and NO PROFIT as a part of it just let them die, but I will support this health care plan just to start in a new direction.
Saying it's not is like saying we shouldn't have public schools. An educated public is no more important than a healthy one, you need both for maximum productivity.
I'm not at all a fan of this health care bill, I would have chosen one exactly like france with no insurance companies and NO PROFIT as a part of it just let them die, but I will support this health care plan just to start in a new direction.
Rob Roy
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Mandatory is when the government says you must participate or they will fine/tax you.RobRoy you keep saying mandatory healthcare....What is mandatory healthcare..please do explain ???
Rob Roy
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Okay...we shouldn't have public schools.
They too are funded under the threat of violence. Perhaps the kids should be made aware of this?
Big P
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guys guys you look at the polls to see who got the majorty of the people on thier side.
this pollster was the closest one during the election
so here is your proof ladies
Rasmussen:
53% Now Oppose Congressional Health Care Reform
http://harvest.AdGardener.com/noscript.aspx?s=91&c=c7c32c55-5525-46d7-a124-a5aa5613eca3
The health care reform legislation working its way through Congress has lost support over the past month. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 44% of U.S. voters are at least somewhat in favor of the reform effort while 53% are at least somewhat opposed.
Today’s 44% level of support is down from 46% two weeks ago, and 50% in late June.
Opposition has grown from 45% in late June to 49% two weeks ago and 53% today.
As in earlier surveys, those with strong opinions are more likely to oppose the plan rather than support it. The current numbers: 24% strongly favor and 37% strongly oppose.
(Want a free daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter.
There is a huge partisan divide on the health care plan. Sixty-eight percent (68%) of Democrats favor it. However, the plan is opposed by 80% of Republicans and 60% of those not affiliated with either major party.
Most voters who earn less than $40,000 annually favor the legislation. Most who earn more than that amount are opposed. Premium Memberscan see full demographic crosstabs.
The survey question did not in any way describe the plan as it stands to date. It was simply presented as “the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats.” But public opinion could shift in either direction as details of the plan become clearer and if agreement is reached.
The president has recently become more vocal in promoting the plan as opposition from senators and congressmen in his own party have stalled it on Capitol Hill. He will host a prime time press conference tonight to push the legislation which he had hoped would be passed by both the Senate and House before they leave for their August recess at the end of next week.
One reason for the decline in support may be the legislative emphasis on universal coverage rather than cost controls. Voters see cost, not universal coverage, as the biggest health care concern. Also, 78% believe that health care reform is likely to lead to middle class tax hikes. Figuring out how to pay for the trillion dollar-plus plan has presented a significant challenge for congressional Democrats working on the legislation.
Another factor that may be playing a role is underlying public skepticism about the legislative process. Americans, by a two-to-one margin, believe that no matter how bad things are, Congress can always make it worse.
Despite the declining support for the plan proposed by the president and congressional Democrats, 51% of voters say it’s at least somewhat likely that it will be passed this year. That figure includes 17% who say it’s very likely to pass.
Overall, just 35% of Americans rate the U.S. health care system as good or excellent.But 70% of those who have health insurance rate their own coverage as good or excellent.
One key item in the overall debate is a government health insurance company that would compete with private insurers. Thirty-five percent (35%) of voters favor a public health care option while 50% are opposed.
Please sign up for the Rasmussen Reports daily e-mail update (it’s free) or follow us on Twitter. Let us keep you up to date with the latest public opinion news.
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this pollster was the closest one during the election
so here is your proof ladies
Rasmussen:
53% Now Oppose Congressional Health Care Reform
http://harvest.AdGardener.com/noscript.aspx?s=91&c=c7c32c55-5525-46d7-a124-a5aa5613eca3
The health care reform legislation working its way through Congress has lost support over the past month. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 44% of U.S. voters are at least somewhat in favor of the reform effort while 53% are at least somewhat opposed.
Today’s 44% level of support is down from 46% two weeks ago, and 50% in late June.
Opposition has grown from 45% in late June to 49% two weeks ago and 53% today.
As in earlier surveys, those with strong opinions are more likely to oppose the plan rather than support it. The current numbers: 24% strongly favor and 37% strongly oppose.
(Want a free daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter.
There is a huge partisan divide on the health care plan. Sixty-eight percent (68%) of Democrats favor it. However, the plan is opposed by 80% of Republicans and 60% of those not affiliated with either major party.
Most voters who earn less than $40,000 annually favor the legislation. Most who earn more than that amount are opposed. Premium Memberscan see full demographic crosstabs.
The survey question did not in any way describe the plan as it stands to date. It was simply presented as “the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats.” But public opinion could shift in either direction as details of the plan become clearer and if agreement is reached.
The president has recently become more vocal in promoting the plan as opposition from senators and congressmen in his own party have stalled it on Capitol Hill. He will host a prime time press conference tonight to push the legislation which he had hoped would be passed by both the Senate and House before they leave for their August recess at the end of next week.
One reason for the decline in support may be the legislative emphasis on universal coverage rather than cost controls. Voters see cost, not universal coverage, as the biggest health care concern. Also, 78% believe that health care reform is likely to lead to middle class tax hikes. Figuring out how to pay for the trillion dollar-plus plan has presented a significant challenge for congressional Democrats working on the legislation.
Another factor that may be playing a role is underlying public skepticism about the legislative process. Americans, by a two-to-one margin, believe that no matter how bad things are, Congress can always make it worse.
Despite the declining support for the plan proposed by the president and congressional Democrats, 51% of voters say it’s at least somewhat likely that it will be passed this year. That figure includes 17% who say it’s very likely to pass.
Overall, just 35% of Americans rate the U.S. health care system as good or excellent.But 70% of those who have health insurance rate their own coverage as good or excellent.
One key item in the overall debate is a government health insurance company that would compete with private insurers. Thirty-five percent (35%) of voters favor a public health care option while 50% are opposed.
Please sign up for the Rasmussen Reports daily e-mail update (it’s free) or follow us on Twitter. Let us keep you up to date with the latest public opinion news.
See survey questions and toplines. Crosstabs are available to Premium Members only.
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Operation 420
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Our education system is horrible. Are you actually trying to make a point by bringing that up? Are you going to bring up the swell job the post office is doing too?
Schools are mandatory so that children can be indoctrinated into American culture of the herd mentality. Told history that didn't really happen because if you told it like it is people would be shocked and horrified. Children are never taught how money and the fiat dollar really works in school, they have to figure it out for themselves. Our levels of math and reading comprehension have been in decline for decades, actually it started declining when Government got too involved and started taking more and more control over the education system. Money wasted as they have had to dumb down everything they teach to the lowest common denominator. Its no wonder only 23% of graduating seniors have the skills necessary to succeed in college.
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