MexicanWarlord420
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Or.. does our consciousness persist after death?
Do We Cease To Exist When Our Body Dies?
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DJBoxhouse
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Depends what you consider 'consciousness' to be, what you think happens after 'death' and how you believe they somehow work together.
Long story short, there's a connection or there isn't. I for one don't believe there is, when you die that's just about it, save for the memories you've caste into 'your loved ones hearts-blah blah blah' during your better years, the years you weren't spending as compost.
Long story short, there's a connection or there isn't. I for one don't believe there is, when you die that's just about it, save for the memories you've caste into 'your loved ones hearts-blah blah blah' during your better years, the years you weren't spending as compost.
eastsidebagel
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I for one am believing that our "conciousness", by which I mean our will, our intellect, our tendencies etc., are still existing for a month or so in this realm before being exterminated or re-born again.
Philly_Buddah
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I personally believe we still exist after we die in some form.
One of the things you need to understand is that there is so much that we still have to learn about everything. Our senses can only pick up a small part of what is happening around us.
Ghosts existence has been proven many times over, that alone proves that its possible that some of us still exist in some form after we die physically. Nearly every religion says that there is an afterlife, not saying religion is right but how would all of those come to this same conclusion even since the beginning when most civilizations and religions had no contact with eachother? most didnt even know the others existed at all.
There is a few good documentaries about all of this and the spirit realm. I believe one of them was the "Invisible etherical realm of the earth". There has been many reports of people seeing orbs of energy that go in and out of this demension, its believed by some that these are spirits. Basically do some research on the spirit realm or world/soul realm/etherical realm (all the same thing).
One of the things you need to understand is that there is so much that we still have to learn about everything. Our senses can only pick up a small part of what is happening around us.
Ghosts existence has been proven many times over, that alone proves that its possible that some of us still exist in some form after we die physically. Nearly every religion says that there is an afterlife, not saying religion is right but how would all of those come to this same conclusion even since the beginning when most civilizations and religions had no contact with eachother? most didnt even know the others existed at all.
There is a few good documentaries about all of this and the spirit realm. I believe one of them was the "Invisible etherical realm of the earth". There has been many reports of people seeing orbs of energy that go in and out of this demension, its believed by some that these are spirits. Basically do some research on the spirit realm or world/soul realm/etherical realm (all the same thing).
KlosetKing
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i liked your entire post, except for that statement. you used the word believe, believe believe believe, but you chose 'proven many times over' for ghosts? ghosts have indeed not been proven, and i ask you to point me in the direction of any scientific proof you believe you have that is not hear-say or completely anecdotal. 'films' of ghosts don't count either, none of that caught on tape stuff. i mean scientific proof, controlled situation, etc.
as for all religions coming up with the afterlife, that is simple friend. it comes from the fear of death, and the fear of the unknown. in terms of Christianity's (i use this because it is one of only a FEW that have different places for 'good' and 'bad' people) heaven and hell, it posed as a form to inflict fear and assume control.
again though, dont mean to incite anything, i liked the rest of the post. =D
KlosetKing
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and for what it's worth, i do believe in ghosts. i do also believe there is something after this life/existence that we do not know about. i do not however, let this mistake me into thinking there is scientific proof of either, no more than the Big Bang or String Theory are proof (of course data shows that the latter are far more likely than my beliefs lol). it, like alien life, remains in my mind a personal belief.
Fisherman Pete
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with regard to the christian controlling through fear, read William Woodruffs Road to Nab End. he goes into some great detail about the difference between his catholic and protostant schooling in Blackburn in the aerly 1900's. it is very scary to read how the nuns and such preached such terrifying hellfire and burning to the young children. William states he didn't believe in god yet he was still terrified by everything as a result of the sermons and such.
i persnaally believe in some form of afterlife, for my own silly reasoning, but yeah, i think there's something more than simply dying.
i persnaally believe in some form of afterlife, for my own silly reasoning, but yeah, i think there's something more than simply dying.
undertheice
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of what use are those random synaptic firings that contain the sum total of our being to the ether?
KlosetKing
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although the harshest of realities, unfortunately on a scientific level i would bet its the most likely. it is depressing.
undertheice
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why is it be so depressing that we should end this life with the same nothingness in which we began it? we have only a short time to frolic on this earth, just as any other rude beast. no matter how hard we may fight it, the end is nigh.
KlosetKing
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the only reason it is depressing is because of our short period of time to enjoy it. seems to me that in all the universes wonder and size, a measly 60-80 years on just this little rock with a bunch of other morons (present forum excluded
) seems, anti climactic to say the least. however unlikely, and even in the face of theory pointing very much the other way, i will keep my fingers crossed that the next plain just MIGHT let me explore more of this gigantic thing we call existence.
ganjaluvr
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Well, I will probably catch some flack for saying this.. but maybe this will reassure some of you.. that there is SOMETHING after death. When I was 10 years old (28 now.. so its been a long time). But when I was 10, I was hit by a truck. Ninety percent of the impact.. hit me in my left frontal lobe area.. of my forehead and brain. I'm not suppose to be here on Earth.. I should be dead. According to all the doctors that have studied my accident.. and the major trauma that I received from the accident.. the doctors are amazed that I'm alive. Most the doctors, that have looked at my X-rays and such.. say that even if you were to have made it through the trauma and all the brain surgeries.. they say that they can't believe that I'm as "normal" just as someone that hasn't had all the brain trauma and surgeries that I had to go through.. in order to try and save my life.
Well, I was clinically pronounced "dead" 2 times. Two times, my heart stopped, and I stopped breathing.. and yet.. each time that happened.. I pulled through it all... and came back to my body. Listen, I'm not going to bore you people with my life story here... but.. I would like to tell you all.. that.. there is something after life here on Earth. As to what exactly?? I have no idea.. but I can tell you that.. I remember being able to see my lifeless body on the stretcher. I remember that part.. but I don't remember other things. I also remember, a very very bright.. white light. It was like looking down a dark train tunnel.. on a sunny day.. where the tunnel inside is nothing but blackness.. and sadness.. but.. the light at the end of the tunnel.. seemed happy and joyful. So, again.. I'm not gonna bore everyone with this.. but I will tell you that there is something after this life on Earth.
What sucks about this.. is.. unless someone else that has experienced what I went through on that night the accident occurred.. people will continue to doubt my claims.. but.. if anyone has experienced what I'm talking about.. well.. then you kinda know what I'm talking about.
But yeah, There's more to "life" than just being here on Earth.. and "life" doesn't just abruptly end.. when we die. Our bodies die.. but our very souls do not. Our souls do not die..
What's awsome though.. about it all is.. the fact that some day.. ALL of you will see what I'm talking about eventually.
till then? peace to you all.
Well, I was clinically pronounced "dead" 2 times. Two times, my heart stopped, and I stopped breathing.. and yet.. each time that happened.. I pulled through it all... and came back to my body. Listen, I'm not going to bore you people with my life story here... but.. I would like to tell you all.. that.. there is something after life here on Earth. As to what exactly?? I have no idea.. but I can tell you that.. I remember being able to see my lifeless body on the stretcher. I remember that part.. but I don't remember other things. I also remember, a very very bright.. white light. It was like looking down a dark train tunnel.. on a sunny day.. where the tunnel inside is nothing but blackness.. and sadness.. but.. the light at the end of the tunnel.. seemed happy and joyful. So, again.. I'm not gonna bore everyone with this.. but I will tell you that there is something after this life on Earth.
What sucks about this.. is.. unless someone else that has experienced what I went through on that night the accident occurred.. people will continue to doubt my claims.. but.. if anyone has experienced what I'm talking about.. well.. then you kinda know what I'm talking about.
But yeah,
There's more to "life" than just being here on Earth.. and "life" doesn't just abruptly end.. when we die. Our bodies die.. but our very souls do not. Our souls do not die.. What's awsome though.. about it all is.. the fact that some day.. ALL of you will see what I'm talking about eventually.
till then? peace to you all.
KlosetKing
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indeed, that could catch some flack but i will try to not give you too much =D
a scientific explanation? random synaptic firings and flashs of memories as the brain slowly fades away. thats all i can think, and would also explain why so many peoples near death experiences have commonalities (3rd person perspective, life-before-my-eyes stories, etc).
now this is not to dumb down your miracle at all. it sounds to me like you were quite lucky and that, just maybe, dare i say divine intervention? lol either way, still a miracle. and, scientific 'theory' aside, i hope your right =D
a scientific explanation? random synaptic firings and flashs of memories as the brain slowly fades away. thats all i can think, and would also explain why so many peoples near death experiences have commonalities (3rd person perspective, life-before-my-eyes stories, etc).
now this is not to dumb down your miracle at all. it sounds to me like you were quite lucky and that, just maybe, dare i say divine intervention? lol either way, still a miracle. and, scientific 'theory' aside, i hope your right =D
undertheice
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i suppose it all depends on how you look at it. a mayfly lives for but a day or two and that seems enough for him.
Mr.KushMan
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Jiddu Krishnamurti did some wonderful talks on the nature of consciousness, regularly stipulating that "...it is not fact that death comes after life."
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Padawanbater2
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lol this one was my favorite! The dude has narrowed down the window of time we all get to be ghosts!!!!
The "bright light at the end of the tunnel" is unbelievably common. I don't doubt that happened to you, I highly doubt it was anything from the ''after life''.
You can't just say "something exists, that I'm certain of" just by experiencing that car accident. That's not proof or evidence of anything, not in scientific terms. It's anecdotal evidence.
Nothing happens guys, and why's it gotta be so depressing in some of your eyes?
Enjoy the ride.
jjbt420
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Well, I will probably catch some flack for saying this.. but maybe this will reassure some of you.. that there is SOMETHING after death. When I was 10 years old (28 now.. so its been a long time). But when I was 10, I was hit by a truck. Ninety percent of the impact.. hit me in my left frontal lobe area.. of my forehead and brain. I'm not suppose to be here on Earth.. I should be dead. According to all the doctors that have studied my accident.. and the major trauma that I received from the accident.. the doctors are amazed that I'm alive. Most the doctors, that have looked at my X-rays and such.. say that even if you were to have made it through the trauma and all the brain surgeries.. they say that they can't believe that I'm as "normal" just as someone that hasn't had all the brain trauma and surgeries that I had to go through.. in order to try and save my life.
Well, I was clinically pronounced "dead" 2 times. Two times, my heart stopped, and I stopped breathing.. and yet.. each time that happened.. I pulled through it all... and came back to my body. Listen, I'm not going to bore you people with my life story here... but.. I would like to tell you all.. that.. there is something after life here on Earth. As to what exactly?? I have no idea.. but I can tell you that.. I remember being able to see my lifeless body on the stretcher. I remember that part.. but I don't remember other things. I also remember, a very very bright.. white light. It was like looking down a dark train tunnel.. on a sunny day.. where the tunnel inside is nothing but blackness.. and sadness.. but.. the light at the end of the tunnel.. seemed happy and joyful. So, again.. I'm not gonna bore everyone with this.. but I will tell you that there is something after this life on Earth.
What sucks about this.. is.. unless someone else that has experienced what I went through on that night the accident occurred.. people will continue to doubt my claims.. but.. if anyone has experienced what I'm talking about.. well.. then you kinda know what I'm talking about.
But yeah,
What's awsome though.. about it all is.. the fact that some day.. ALL of you will see what I'm talking about eventually.
till then? peace to you all.
there is a reason for "near death experiences." when you die DMT is released into your brain, it is a seriously powerful hallucinogen. and being as they pronounced you dead, the DMT is what was making you feel this way. out of body/the GREAT WHITE LIGHT
jjbt420
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and i also believe that whatever you think happens after you die is what really happens. because it is the reality that you are living day to day. im not saying that when i you die, if you believe, you will float up to heaven with the streets of gold. but if thats what you tell yourself on a day to day basis then that is the reality that you are living in. LIFE IS OVER WHEN YOU DIE. just like there has to be an end to every begining. you dont just go one living forever, get real. but if you have to tell yourself something to make you more comfortable to die, then so be it. i just believe that we all have THIS time, RIGHT NOW. so why dont we make the best of what is guarenteed??? instead of living your ONE TRUE life for someone else in HOPES of an afterlife....
Mr.KushMan
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Technically its not released in your brain, the pineal gland is outside the blood brain barrier, albeit in the center of the brain. Amounts much larger than exogenous doses people smoke or drink are released when you dream and order of magnitude larger when those last moments come. Its been shown that, as the bodies last defense to fend off death, it compulsively manufactures every action that it knows how that is how the near death experience has been quantified.
Although animals have this phenomena too. So we are still asking why we have this third person perspective of events, and how the universe came into existence, and if this is all just a dream or a solo mission.
I mean for all we know this could be an inter dimensional prison sentence where our job is to find our own self-understanding.
Ultimately as hundreds of philosophers have written; it is all unknowable and as a consequence anything is reality. So having an inferiority complex, as I would imagine I have, I am impulsively drawn to dissection of personal events; some may call self-philosophy.
"That to philosophize is to learn how to die."-Michel de Montaigne
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Although animals have this phenomena too. So we are still asking why we have this third person perspective of events, and how the universe came into existence, and if this is all just a dream or a solo mission.
I mean for all we know this could be an inter dimensional prison sentence where our job is to find our own self-understanding.
Ultimately as hundreds of philosophers have written; it is all unknowable and as a consequence anything is reality. So having an inferiority complex, as I would imagine I have, I am impulsively drawn to dissection of personal events; some may call self-philosophy.
"That to philosophize is to learn how to die."-Michel de Montaigne
Peace