Do we need a consensus?

NanoGadget

NanoGadget

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Ganjamandan77 said:
Some people may think weed forums are tough, try a motorcycle or firearms forum. Those guys can be darn right brutal.
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You ain't lying. I've got a project bike I'm attempting (and mostly failing) to work on so I joined a motorcycle forum for some help. A full month on there and I can't even get a single answer on how to swap a damn swingarm.
 
Chief_Broom

Chief_Broom

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Bro-science, fake news, confirmation bias, call it what you want but people have a way of finding the answer they want to hear.

There is also something appealing about complicated processes. If something is complicated, has multiple steps, lots of moving parts, impressive scientific terms, it’s got to be way better than a simple process. Kind of like how a $250 shirt has to be way better than a $10 shirt.
 
Rakin

Rakin

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Oakiey said:
I think the worst forum I was on was an aquarium forum.

I don't think anybody there was loved enough as a kid to be taken fishing. The fishing pics I posted of my grandkids were hated....

Just a bunch of tree huggers. About like led users
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Lol . Fishing pics on a forum for people with pet fish.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Consensus on what? Growing a plant? There are centuries of knowledge on the subject. There are scientific studies done on plant growth. Today's cannabis broscience is a joke. I don't do anything cannabis specific. I treat cannabis like the plant it is and it grows and flourishes. I use the same nutrients in my garden, for my flowers, and houseplants. The only thing I do differently with cannabis is control the light hours. 12/12 for flowering. Other than that I do the same thing I do with tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers, dahlia's, lilies, etc... The people stuck on cannabis is special and needs all these cannabis specific products are people that have never grown anything in their life. In fact cannabis is a very easy plant to grow and many people would struggle trying to grow a tomato or pepper plant.
 
ISK

ISK

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There is little to no consensus on growing MJ mostly because it has been illegal and still is illegal in most countries, as such we so few legitimate studies on all the controversial subjects related to growing weed....such as flushing/leaching, defoliation/pruning, 18/6 vs 24/0, auto's vs photos and so on.

Most legal industries have conducted scientific studies to determine best practices......in 1970's the cigar tobacco industry granted $2M to an university to determine the best way to control tobacco beatles, who produced a report which is still considered to this day as the bible on the subject.

We need these types of high level studies to determine what methods are best to grow weed, and until then we mostly have opinions of people's experience with growing MJ..... but what works best for you in Florida may not be the best in Arizona or Alaska.

So we have people who rant and rave on a particular subject saying their way is best.....but it may not be best for every environment or situation.
 
Rakin

Rakin

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You just have to start growing. Adapt to your environment. Learn from mistakes. Always strive for improvement. Problem is now we have the ability to have information and instructions at our fingertips no one can do anything without watching a YouTube video about it first.
 
coreywebster

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TreeFarmerCharlie said:
LOL! I brought this up to a forum member here who has never posted any of their own grows, but loves to tel everyone they are wrong or that their advice is “typical noob advice”, and they told me they don’t need to prove anything to a noob like me.
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Did you notice some direct similarity in choice of words to someone who had himself banned not that long ago?
 
NanoGadget

NanoGadget

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I didn't learn much about basic horticulture and plant biology before I started growing. I had a good teacher when it comes to growing cannabis, but I pretty much just did things the way I was told. When things would go wrong I always had to ask him what was going on and how to fix it. In the 25 years since then I've taken it upon myself to learn more about horticulture in general and it helps immeasurably. I still ask questions all the time. Learning should never stop. If I could go back and start again, I would definitely learned more of the basics before jumping in. If you know how plants work and how to keep one alive and healthy it is a massive head start when trying to grown a specific plant.
 
Budzbuddha

Budzbuddha

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To me ... researching “ basic gardening “ skills takes most of the fear and confusion out of growing a plant. I watch “ non cannabis “ vids all the time and learn about different consumable plants and veggies. All of that info goes hand in hand , i learned how to create a proper butterfly attractive garden ..... it takes a grower to become a gardener before anything else.

That’s why when i see someone calling themselves a “ master grower “ or they got info from an old hippie on growing weed or they get a pound from lightbulbs and foil turkey pans ...... you just have to laugh. In the end , its your grow , your choices.

You can have a 100 guys growing the same strain and get a shitload of different results.

Back to my beer ....
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Budzbuddha said:
To me ... researching “ basic gardening “ skills takes most of the fear and confusion out of growing a plant. I watch “ non cannabis “ vids all the time and learn about different consumable plants and veggies. All of that info goes hand in hand , i learned how to create a proper butterfly attractive garden ..... it takes a grower to become a gardener before anything else.

That’s why when i see someone calling themselves a “ master grower “ or they got info from an old hippie on growing weed or they get a pound from lightbulbs and foil turkey pans ...... you just have to laugh. In the end , its your grow , your choices.

You can have a 100 guys growing the same strain and get a shitload of different results.

Back to my beer ....
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Too many growers lack "basic gardening" skills.
 
getogrow

getogrow

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growdonoloco said:
Maybe because the plant is not "well studied" it allows this to happen?
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arrogance is the number one problem in the growing world but your also correct in thinking its not well studied. Maybe those are the wrong words but we do lack a lot of info on things like soil, exact uptake , ph swings, ect...
 
G Bear

G Bear

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Richard Drysift said:
I think a lot of the misinformation out there can be attributed to the way in which people get their info now a days. These whippersnappers do not realize that there was a time when the only source of info on growing pot you could find was the anarchists cookbook. Ed Rosenthal books were the first real source of weed growing guidance I had seen up to that point.
High times created a market for weed industry advertising which made every reader who thought about growing their own believe they needed to spend hundreds on bottles of crap in order to grow decent bud. Soon after the internet came along some people got lazy and way too cheap to go buy a book on the subject for some reason. It may be easier to just google what you want to know but much of the free info on the internet is designed as click bait. Forums are a bunch of people’s opinions; you can learn a lot from them but it starts with a basic understanding of the subject. PH is one example that comes to mind; people may not really have a deep understand of it yet they dispense advice because they know how to use ph up/down.
This plant is very well studied but to access the best information all in one place you might have to actually go buy a book or two. Then you become the expert.
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I’m still a newb but not afraid to dive into books. I’ve had this copy a long time and recently dug it up.

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NanoGadget

NanoGadget

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xtsho said:
Consensus on what? Growing a plant? There are centuries of knowledge on the subject. There are scientific studies done on plant growth. Today's cannabis broscience is a joke. I don't do anything cannabis specific. I treat cannabis like the plant it is and it grows and flourishes. I use the same nutrients in my garden, for my flowers, and houseplants. The only thing I do differently with cannabis is control the light hours. 12/12 for flowering. Other than that I do the same thing I do with tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers, dahlia's, lilies, etc... The people stuck on cannabis is special and needs all these cannabis specific products are people that have never grown anything in their life. In fact cannabis is a very easy plant to grow and many people would struggle trying to grow a tomato or pepper plant.
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I recently told a friend that's thinking of getting into growing cannabis to grow a tomato plant first. A lot less discouraging if you murder a tomato plant and you learn pretty much everything you need to know to grow pot.
 
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DaFreak

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One of Ed's columns or books (can't remember which) is the first place I read about using aspirin....just saying.
 
Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

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DaFreak said:
Funny thing is, I consider myself a liberal democrat on most issues and have never voted Republican and I’m called a trumpard or something along those lines in the political forum here, I didn’t agree with them on some point and now they are convinced I’m a past user who pretends to be a liberal and trolls them. Paranoid lot there, finger sniffers
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Maybe some of these "democrats" are Russian Sock Puppets ? There is a known technique to ridicule a certain standpoint by fullfilling it to an extreme way... rendering it absurd by doing so, in turn creating disgust in potential future adherents...

for example this band
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Laibach (Band) – Wikipedia

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dress up in Nazi clothes although they are actually anti-fascist artists.... they ridicule the NS thematic, which has sparked a whole movement in the Gothic/Industrial scene
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Feindflug - Wikipedia

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Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

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coreywebster said:
Did you notice some direct similarity in choice of words to someone who had himself banned not that long ago?
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who was that?
NanoGadget said:
I recently told a friend that's thinking of getting into growing cannabis to grow a tomato plant first. A lot less discouraging if you murder a tomato plant and you learn pretty much everything you need to know to grow pot.
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actually a Tomato is a plant which carries "fruits" - which are full of water so that's why a tomato needs much more Potassium than hemp. It also demands more nutritients from the soil. Cannabis is a flowering plant, more similart to a rose.

getogrow said:
asprin to make beans ?
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It's a plant hormone, can beused generally but I have not dived into it as of yet so I can't give advice on how to use it properly (hormones used in a inappropriate way may cause more harm than good...)
 
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