Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

burrr said:

HB, if you were to grow just 3 plants under a 600, would you still use a 6" RW block? or would you go for something bigger.

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Lets say i lived in a place where I could only flower 3 plants under a 600, I'd probably try DWC or ebb and grow, some kind of single site hydro system like that. I've actually run those systems in the past and had great results in terms of yield, though daily maintenance was annoying, res changes weren't possible without moving the plants around and cleaning equipment at harvest was time consuming. I feel like the more room one has for a healthy root system, the better the results will be in terms of yield.

Based on the system I've settled into, and believe it or not I actually put a lot of thought into it in terms of making things easy on myself, minimizing waste, and being able to move hydro plants from veg to flower without having to move equipment around. So based on what I do now, if I only ran 3 plants at a time, I'd train them for even bushier structures and allow their roots to grow into at least 2 six inch blocks (not stacked but next to one another). I happen to really like flood and drain systems .

Hey homebrewer you seem to be the riu nutrients npk gooroo around here if you got some spare time can
You tell me what you think of cyco nutes? Local store just stocked it and its like crack to all the growers
Shit flys off the shelf, so im wondering whats all the hype

I know you directed this to Homebrewer, but after reading the site I had to put in my 2 cents too. Nutes are nutes, just get the right ratio of them that you like from whatever brand (except something really cheap like miracle grow because they use the worst form of nitrogen). What makes this company scary is they include a controversial chemical " PACLOBUTRAZOL " in there domestic shipping (Australia) product only. I think its unethical and dangerous. Yes it is known to stunt vertical growth in trees, and off-label it is used to increase bud density and weight for ornamentals, but I don't believe it's even legal to put on plants made for human consumption. I'd steer clear of the company just based on this, and prey the guy you got a sack from didn't grow with it to increase his yields.

Here's someone's informal writeup about the chemical: http://www.vice.com/read/weed-dealings-keep-your-paclobutrazol-off-my-nugs

what? Any links for more info on what you claim?

hornedfrog2000 said:

what? Any links for more info on what you claim?

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Yes, funny- I just added it via edit as you wrote this... Sure you can google some stuff as well, the manufacturers website list it under "flower A&B (Australia only)"

So its only in the Australian stuff?

hornedfrog2000 said:

So its only in the Australian stuff?

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Yes, that's what it looks like from their website. The article I linked lists a couple other products like Bushmaster that contain it apparently. I was reading about it just a couple weeks ago, and when I saw it in the ingredients for this nute line I had to comment

So, other than the ingredient we can't get in the states, I can't imagine how these nutes can be much different than anyhing else, matter of fact they don't look like they have as many trace nutrients as Dyna-gro. Tho only thing slightly interesting, is the form of nutrient they use is protein based- that-perhaps could make them more absorbable, but I haven't read anything reputable that confirms the claim, and I'd imagine the only thing that would really help is you could use a little less.

hellraizer30 said:

Hey homebrewer you seem to be the riu nutrients npk gooroo around here if you got some spare time can
You tell me what you think of cyco nutes? Local store just stocked it and its like crack to all the growers
Shit flys off the shelf, so im wondering whats all the hype

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It's just another highly incomplete nutrient line that encourages the purchase of their other products for better results. Two part bases for grow and bloom? That shouldn't be necessary for grow and the overall mineral content of their products is pretty poor. The NPK values of their bloom base is 3-0-2 and 1-5-6 resulting in roughly a 1-1-2 NPK ratio which is what Connoisseur brings to the table. At the end of the day it's still fertilizer and will grow plants but this looks like yet another canna-specific nute line made for pure profit, not performance.

Kinda the outlook i got! Dam i wish my store would cary DG

I know i know but the stuff just isnt available to me in my area! Nice nugs shnkrmn!

hellraizer30 said:

I know i know but the stuff just isnt available to me in my area! Nice nugs shnkrmn!

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Ask your local store to order it for you. Even if you had to pay shipping off Amazon or wherever, it's still a great value. I know you already get excellent results but I'd be interested to see what you think of DG.

Il chat with one of the other stores in my area about making a order and il do put it up against the bc line
No reason to try the an you already tested that.

shnkrmn said:

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What strain is that 3rd pic of the purple? Beautiful!! Im a Dyna-Gro addict!

The purple is the result of a breeding accident between exodus cheese and querkle. I guess it was reluctant to clone, because I have no more of that pheno growing. Actually, I'm almost done with the cheese entirely; awesome stuff but very messy growing habit for a SOG. Just growing the DOG kush now, although I have some bubblelicious and critical+ x sensi star that are ready to be mothers.

No doubt about it, once I dropped my nutrient concentration under 800ppm in flower my quality and quantity shot right up. Right now I fill my res (50 gals), dose it to 800 ppm and keep it topped up with RO water (no nutes for addbacks). After two weeks and adding 4-5 gallons every day or two (50ish plants), the ppm has dropped to around 540, pH becomes a little unstable and it's time to change the res. 2nd, 3rd and 4th weeks of flower are maximum water consumption.

Well i got some great news went in to my local shop today and there and behold was the full DG line except pro tek
Could not believe it all by bitching about it and he orders it and doesnt even tell me like wtf! So in the morning im heading
Back to pick up grow,bloom,magpro how important is the pro-tek?

From the feed chart you gave me it looks like i should wait to get it before
Doing a run?

so basicly this all started from buying a new bottle of nutes?... and doing a grow off against a nute your not using

The pro-teck is a pretty key part. It's got the silica, some K, and it brings the PH of the nutes back up to the proper range. You could just get by with ph up until they get some pro-teck at the store. I'm convinced that the proteck helps fight off bugs and powder mildew.

hellraizer30 said:

Well i got some great news went in to my local shop today and there and behold was the full DG line except pro tek
Could not believe it all by bitching about it and he orders it and doesnt even tell me like wtf! So in the morning im heading
Back to pick up grow,bloom,magpro how important is the pro-tek?

From the feed chart you gave me it looks like i should wait to get it before
Doing a run?

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That's great news! If you cannot get protekt, look into silica blast. Maybe there is another solid silica additive out there? As burr correctly stated, Protekt has a high pH and it kind of balances the acidity of the base nutes bringing your pH into a more desirable range (depending on your water source). I've also found that it adds a level of protection against mites and other bugs.

troutie said:

so basicly this all started from buying a new bottle of nutes?... and doing a grow off against a nute your not using

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This thread was inspired by all the newbs and snake oil marketers as I wanted to take an honest look at how the most expensive base nute on the market truly performs. I used to be a GH user and tested DG, I now use DG because of a test exactly like the one I did in this thread (DG proved to be as pH stable as you can get while yielding more and being cleaner). Hopefully those growers who expect more than a fancy label and a hefty price tag out out of their nutes found this thread informative.