Dynagro is under-rated as fuck

Uncle Ben said:

No you weren't. Nobody had heard of Dyna-Gro until I started pushing it. They were stuck on GH and the Lucas formula.

What was the first cannabis forum genre you were posting too?

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more chest thumping?

This is the first forum I have ever joined....why? because internet forums never interested me until lately.

I've been using dg since 2003 It was the first product I tried when I started growing hydro. Recommended by my mentor who got me into this. Not uncle ben.....nice try tho.

I have during the last decade tried many other different brands...Yet I am right back to where I started. On dyna.



see the main difference I see between me and you is idgaf about being the FIRST. I also know incontrovertibly that I can get better @ this.

you on the other hand think you know it all, and have nothing left to learn. As is often the case with older growers ime.

Just not all of em are as much an ass about it as you.

You children apparently didn't learn to respect your elders. Ridiculing someone who has more experience than you is a common juvenile trait.

Rave on.

joe macclennan said:

This is the first forum I have ever joined....why? because internet forums never interested me until lately.

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I've been using dg since 2003 It was the first product I tried when I started growing hydro. Recommended by my mentor who got me into this. Not uncle ben.....nice try tho.

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Well la tee dah. This is all quite silly but for the record I started pushing late 90's.

Uncle Ben said:

Costa Rica, and you're growing pot indoors? That doesn't make sense.

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you can't grow pot outdoors here. the humidity is far too high. maybe up in the mountain but i live down on the coast. you get bud rot, mildew, and mold every time. plus, there are no pesticides that can control the bugs that come out of the jungle down here. well, not any that i would want to put on my plants.

i'm gonna do a greenhouse at some point but right now i'm building a new water cooled grow room. we started last week.




dedicated 150amp load center and all new electrical. i'm a high end residential developer so we do all our own construction, plumbing, and electrical.



10 gauge wire and the 2/0 aluminum urd service cable i ran for the room.



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rollitup said:

You children apparently didn't learn to respect your elders. Ridiculing someone who has more experience than you is a common juvenile trait.

Rave on.

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Nothing this old fart can't handle, as you've observed over the years. I gots me a couple of cases of good old fashioned Whup Ass quite a while back. Sho do come in handy, ya'll.

rollitup said:

You children apparently didn't learn to respect your elders. Ridiculing someone who has more experience than you is a common juvenile trait.

Rave on.

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respect is earned not a right. He had a severe case of diarrhea of the mouth...or fingers as it were.

it appears this affliction is contagious


edit: and I do have respect for ub... in some ways. but this whole nonsense about there being no difference between the way a plant grows under mh or hps is just ridiculous on it's face.

SO elder or not if you dispense with bad information i'll call you on it, or do you agree with him that there is no difference?

ScoobyDoobyDoo said:

you can't grow pot outdoors here. the humidity is far too high.

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Ya mean ya can't grow some of that Haze you claim you finished in 8 weeks? Hate to say it, but I'm having an element of doubt regarding your credibility. I don't seem to be alone. -
https://www.rollitup.org/gardening/538106-costa-rica-garden-show.html

VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO said:

this was his house the other day, doesn't look anything like this place, this dude don't even know what strain he's growing

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I've been to Acapulco and Puerto Vallarta quite a few times, back into the jungles too. As you know most of the great sativas came from and are still being grown where insect pressure and the RH is high. Panama, Colombia, S. India, Thai, the hot and humid mexican states of Oaxaca, Michoacan, Guerrero, etc.

I've done a lot of real sativas (not your pollen chuckin' knock offs) and that includes O. Haze. None of them finish after flowering before at least 3 months, more like 4-5. My dalat vegged for about 3 months before even showing a flowering response. The REAL, original Haze is Acapulco Gold X Colombian Gold X (S. Indian S Thai). It does NOT have any indica. The word "haze" conjures up some mystique equating it with potency. It's OK weed, but certainly not what the ads crack it up to be. Most pollen chuckers have no shame. They'll attach the word "haze" to their mutts as another one of the industry's tawdry marketing tools.

UB

I was the first person to grow marijuana, and thats how I came with the idea for hydroponics and HID lighting, I invented those too, and 5 gallon buckets, and water, invented that too

Jbone77 said:

I was the first person to grow marijuana, and thats how I came with the idea for hydroponics and HID lighting, I invented those too, and 5 gallon buckets, and water, invented that too

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some may call this juvenile but I laughed my ass off @ this

uncle ben: that is what you sound like

Uncle Ben said:

Ya mean ya can't grow some of that Haze you claim you finished in 8 weeks? Hate to say it, but I'm having an element of doubt regarding your credibility. I don't seem to be alone. -
https://www.rollitup.org/gardening/538106-costa-rica-garden-show.html




I've been to Acapulco and Puerto Vallarta quite a few times, back into the jungles too. As you know most of the great sativas came from and are still being grown where insect pressure and the RH is high. Panama, Colombia, S. India, Thai, the hot and humid mexican states of Oaxaca, Michoacan, Guerrero, etc.

I've done a lot of real sativas (not your pollen chuckin' knock offs) and that includes O. Haze. None of them finish after flowering before at least 3 months, more like 4-5. My dalat vegged for about 3 months before even showing a flowering response. The REAL, original Haze is Acapulco Gold X Colombian Gold X (S. Indian S Thai). It does NOT have any indica. The word "haze" conjures up some mystique equating it with potency. It's OK weed, but certainly not what the ads crack it up to be. Most pollen chuckers have no shame. They'll attach the word "haze" to their mutts as another one of the industry's tawdry marketing tools.

UB

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fortunately for me i actually live here while you are just throwing out hypotheticals. good to see you threw your hat in with victory...now there are a whole 2 of you in that boat. that guy doesn't even come around anymore cause he got proven wrong so many times. bashing on AN nutes and then we find a picture of his store online with shelves full of AN products. lmao. yea...great person to use as a reference. some guy who doesn't grow and who's hydro store is a shack.

you can call my genetics all the names you want. i know where i got them from and i trust that grower more than anyone considering how long he's been around and who he's worked with in the past. i'm not gonna name drop on here cause he's a good friend, but questioning genetics you don't know just makes you look like the hater you are. i got my amnesia haze genetics from the original breeder so you might wanna check your information.

from jamaica, to thailand, to colombia...no one is growing quality buds at sea level. the humidity here is 80% - 100% during the rainy season. all those places you mentioned are growing in the mountains; which is exactly what i said. apart from the fact i don't want a bunch of plants outside cause it's illegal here and i actually have people on my property from time to time...i've done 4-5 grows outdoors and nothing is able to stop mold and pests. some guys up in Guanacaste grow outdoors but they don't live in the rainforest like i do. much dryer up there.

i speak from experience while you speculate based on something you read online. glad to see you checked out my gardening thread. sure you'll be regurgitating the info in there soon enough.

my pics speak for themselves. you wanna try and test that then be my guest. i'll answer any questions you want. first though...i'd like to see a pic of your "so-called" farm.

ScoobyDoobyDoo said:

you can't grow pot outdoors here. the humidity is far too high. maybe up in the mountain but i live down on the coast. you get bud rot, mildew, and mold every time. plus, there are no pesticides that can control the bugs that come out of the jungle down here. well, not any that i would want to put on my plants.

i'm gonna do a greenhouse at some point but right now i'm building a new water cooled grow room. we started last week.

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what kind of water cooling are you using? Just the lights? or are you incorporating radiant or evaporative coolers ?

edit: I wouldn't think evap do to the rh you already have

joe macclennan said:

what kind of water cooling are you using? Just the lights? or are you incorporating radiant or evaporative coolers ?

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i was using a 2hp chill king chiller and ice box heat exchangers before. the heat exchangers actually work great. the exhaust air on my 1000w hoods was 78 degrees. basically i just had to account for the ambient heat in the room. you need some extra equipment (thermostat controller, etc...) but for me it was well worth it. i also had water cooled co2 machines and a reservoir coil on the hydro system. i'm doing all dirt now...plans to try out an under current system in the future. chillers are about 25-40% more efficient than standard a/c systems.

this new site will have a 5hp self contained chiller, a 2 ton and a 1 ton water cooled air handler, and water cooled co2 burners. i'm still gonna run the heat exchangers on every hood cause i have them and i have to run the manifold into the room anyway. plus, that allows me to size the a/c's down a little. it is really hot here all year round so on a space like that i would need 6-7 tons of a/c if i wasn't running water cooled. the great thing about the water cooled air handlers is they don't have to be cooling the room to dehumidify. they can still run air over the coils without having to cool the room. basically allowing you to throw out the dehumidifiers.

ScoobyDoobyDoo said:

i was using a 2hp chill king chiller and ice box heat exchangers before. the heat exchangers actually work great. the exhaust air on my 1000w hoods was 78 degrees. basically i just had to account for the ambient heat in the room. you need some extra equipment (thermostat controller, etc...) but for me it was well worth it. i also had water cooled co2 machines and a reservoir coil on the hydro system. i'm doing all dirt now...plans to try out an under current system in the future. chillers are about 25-40% more efficient than standard a/c systems.

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yep, been thinking about buying/making some iceboxes for my lights next year. and recirculating the room air instead of having and outside intake and exhaust when it gets above 90f outside. I have several 1/2 and 1/4 hp chillers unused from when I played with nft.

I was also considering going drain to waste on the iceboxes as we have a super high water table. Unsure which would be more efficient.

the water cooled air handler is a great idea as well. Dunno why I never thought of that before. I'm a hvac installer by trade.

hell, I could slap one of those together out of spare parts...

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hey all you dyna-gro nuts, think its better to ph the water before, or after adding the nutes ?

I must add i get a very stable ph of 6.0 after about two days of flux.

joe macclennan said:

yep, been thinking about buying/making some iceboxes for my lights next year. and recirculating the room air instead of having and outside intake and exhaust when it gets above 90f outside. I have several 1/2 and 1/4 hp chillers unused from when I played with nft.

I was also considering going drain to waste on the iceboxes as we have a super high water table. Unsure which would be more efficient.

the water cooled air handler is a great idea as well. Dunno why I never thought of that before. I'm a hvac installer by trade.

hell, I could slap one of those together out of spare parts...

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yea, they are pretty dope. and the best part is they are literally plug and play. hook up the chiller electrical and run some 1" i.d. and 1.25" i.d. flexible hose lines to the air handlers. that's really it.

i custom ordered my chiller with 2 reservoirs. we run the one reservoir at 45 degrees for the air handlers. this way they collect condensation on the could to dehumidify. plus those lines don't run in my room. they go around the building and into the back of the air handler that is mounted on the wall. just use some high end insulation like rubbatex. the other reservoir has a manifold line made from cpvc that runs through the grow rooms to supply the heat exchangers and the co2 machines. that reservoir is kept around 64 which is right at dew point for my rooms. this way you get no condensation on you manifold line.

i really got into it a couple years back and researched it of almost 2 years. the guys from hydro innovations and chill king were a huge help. the owner of water cooled gardens taught me a bunch. the 2hp chiller was my original test run which i ran for a few years. i have a larger unit elsewhere that is my showpiece. this 5hp unit is just my local "at home" spot.

Dirty Jerz said:

hey all you dyna-gro nuts, think its better to ph the water before, or after adding the nutes ?

I must add i get a very stable ph of 6.0 after about two days of flux.

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Why would you pH your water BEFORE adding liquids that will affect the pH of your water? If you use protekt and a DG food in the right ratio you can throw those pH-adjusters away.

ScoobyDoobyDoo said:

you can't grow pot outdoors here. the humidity is far too high. maybe up in the mountain but i live down on the coast. you get bud rot, mildew, and mold every time. plus, there are no pesticides that can control the bugs that come out of the jungle down here. well, not any that i would want to put on my plants.

i'm gonna do a greenhouse at some point but right now i'm building a new water cooled grow room. we started last week.

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Again, I'm raising the bullshit flag. As I pointed out you can grow cannabis in high RH areas. For crying out loud son, it's not a cactus. It's a frickin' flowering tropical annual that likes a lot of water, RH, and a well drained soil. No, you might struggle with indica types, but doing sativas that have open airy buds aren't a problem. I've done it, and with no sprays.

Water cooled grow room, in Costa Rica eh? Do I have that right? (Tell me it aint so).

Putting in a $300,000 water cooled grow room you have to ship in and transport on site to grow pot in tropical Costa is about as stupid and ridiculous as it gets. It reeks of posing. You can bullshit your enablers, but don't try this crap on me. You trying to get me to believe that you can't grow pot in a tropical, jungle area like Costa Rica outdoors, in the thick of one of your forests? If those fruit trees of yours can survive your insects and RH, why not pot? Tropical fruit is very susceptible to rots and diseases, mainly anthracnose. How do you fight anthracnose pressures?

OK, since you think there are mountains in Colombia and that's where they grow their pot, find a mountain. There's plenty of them there. Don't care what your laws are either. They can't be half as bad as Texas and I have grown plenty of outdoor pot plants under subterfuge. Apparently the cops are very tolerant of cannabis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_country

Also, the old timers remember a Costa Rican grower that posted to CW. Grew in a greenhouse.

If you are who you pose to be, what makes this $300,000 chilled grow operation so "bust free" and a lucrative operation? You got cheap utilities? Gonna sell that stuff for a big profit are you? Pot smoking is big in Costa Rica. That suggests to me that a lot of people are growing it or buying cheap from neighboring countries.

Again, there's something real damn fishy with you. I'm thinking it's a case of all hat and no cattle.

UB

homebrewer said:

Why would you pH your water BEFORE adding liquids that will affect the pH of your water? If you use protekt and a DG food in the right ratio you can throw those pH-adjusters away.

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Because I don't understand how the nutes work. I wasnt sure if they held the ph they were added at or got affected afterward. But I use DG's full line and notice very stable ph of 6.0, using ro water as i said.

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Because I don't understand how the nutes work. I wasnt sure if they held the ph they were added at or got affected afterward. But I use DG's full line and notice very stable ph of 6.0, using ro water as i said.

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He's right. Test after all the fact, not before. Your best resource is talking to a Dyna-Gro tech by phone. They are very helpful, and straight shooters.

Uncle Ben.......I follow many of your growing techniques and find you are amazingly correct in your concepts. Your knowledge of botany may not be rivaled on this website.

But.....

.....one thing I've learned is there's more than one way to skin a cat....and there's more than one "correct" way of growing weed. I read Riddle's growing techniques, and I feel he's as qualified as you are, and he grows differently than you. Does that make either you or him wrong? No....just two different ways of growing.

If other's have very nice grows growing differently than you, I would say that most of them have found their own way of growing....just as you have.

I consider you a friend, and I say this because of this friendship.....you do come across as a cranky old man at times. For me.....I have to check my ego at the door at times when I read posts on here and just let those that follow a different path have their say, and maybe or maybe not I'll learn something new.