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legallyflying said:

... I wish I could sleep in my grow room

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I wish I could sleep in your grow room, too. But not with you in it. Nothing personal. Beauty, mate.

And you should show General Hydro that second picture. I'm buying FloraNectar asap and you should get the commission...

I got a newb question for you guys and gals...I started with a micro scrog grow because it seemed the most efficient use of space. The other day, I came across an article in Urban Garden on the plus and minuses of vert gardening. In one of the dude's arguments, he pointed out the increased veg time in traditional horizontal gardening. That argument might apply to scrog, also. The harvest is larger, but from what I understand there's much more veg time in scrog. So, over a period of a year or two, considering the additional veg, would the two start becoming equal in bud production?

I've read a crapload of this thread and don't think I came across the discussion...forgive me if I'm bringing up a stale subject.

Peace.

this is the first day of week 4
let me know what you guys think of it
[video=youtube;hpO4PFTgb3A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpO4PFTgb3A[/video]

jimbro i dont think they would have equal yield. when you scrog all the lower branches become top bud sites. if you veg a plant for the same amount of time then the bottom nugs wont have much on them. idk if i answered your question but i think thats what you were asking.. and i might be wrong, im no pro grower or anything.

Thanks, high. I'm not sure that's what I'm asking, though. Anyone correct me on anything, but it seems to me that with a scrog, we are vegging probably close to a month or more longer than others? Like you said, high, lower branches become bud sites so there's more to harvest. But, there's still weeks lost there that other setups use to start the next grow, and so on. Basically, I'm saying that over time traditional grows will produce more harvests versus fewer harvests with more product. Does that make sense?

+rep on that vid...nice!

JimBro said:

Thanks, high. I'm not sure that's what I'm asking, though. Anyone correct me on anything, but it seems to me that with a scrog, we are vegging probably close to a month or more longer than others? Like you said, high, lower branches become bud sites so there's more to harvest. But, there's still weeks lost there that other setups use to start the next grow, and so on. Basically, I'm saying that over time traditional grows will produce more harvests versus fewer harvests with more product. Does that make sense?

+rep on that vid...nice!

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Personally I went to scrog and didn't change my veg times more then 3-5 additional days, sometimes none if I time the veg right. If I had my screen down a few more inches I wouldn't have had to change anything in my perpetual timing.

Great info, Someguy. Do you flip to 12/12 when the screen is a certain percentage filled in or use the stretch to fill the sucker up? Strain dependent, I imagine. My screen is 8" from top of res. Does anyone think that's too high? I'm currently in a small 2x2x3 space, by the way.

I take clones right before I flip so after they are rooted, I have plants that have been vegging about 6-7 weeks and are more than ready to flower as soon as I harvest. So in essence, I flip every two months with no down time. I built a veg tent outside of my climate controlled flower room and will never look back.

legallyflying said:

I take clones right before I flip so after they are rooted, I have plants that have been vegging about 6-7 weeks and are more than ready to flower as soon as I harvest. So in essence, I flip every two months with no down time. I built a veg tent outside of my climate controlled flower room and will never look back.

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So you don't keep mothers. More like continuous siblings.

Just checked out your setup. Freakin' awesome. I have to buy a house, simple as that. So do you think the Ebb & Flow is best if you have room? Have you tried other methods? Probably could dig through your posts and figure it out...

Hello fellas,,
I vegged till about 80%, and I felt I should have switched to 12/12 sooner.. I saw the screen filling up, but this being my first scrog, I think I was just having so much fun watching the screen fill up, I couldn't help myself.
BUT, now what I'm seeing is where there should have one BIG FLOWER, it seems to be growing off to the side and up,, so I have some shorter side shoots off of the main flower...
Now what I'm trying is, I've had some runners who seem to want to push up past the others, and I've done some super cropping on them to keep the light closer,, but I notice that when they come back, they do with a vengeance, and shoot up even more.. Not a complaint of course, but now my thinking has changed and I'm super cropping on the "lower sights" by cropping and putting straight back up. So really just doing the damage and setting it back to the same place it was in hopes that the growth spurt seen afterwords might even up the canopy more...
Does anyone have experience with Super Cropping" in the Scrog??
Any pointers would be appreciated.. I'll have the results soon anyways,, I did the super cropping on the lower branches tonight.. So in a few days I'm hoping to see growth spurts and a more even canopy..
I love this thread

JimBro said:

So you don't keep mothers. More like continuous siblings.

Just checked out your setup. Freakin' awesome. I have to buy a house, simple as that. So do you think the Ebb & Flow is best if you have room? Have you tried other methods? Probably could dig through your posts and figure it out...

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I have some mothers right now but the continuous clones is a good way to go as well. Ebb and flow is pretty money for sure. I'm in a table now but I am switching to buckets. There are many ways to skin a cat but looking at all the different ways to grow, if your going to grow big plants, then ebb and flow is a great way to do it. Aeroponics is good but there are too many working parts. DWC is cool as well, but its a PIA to lift up the plants to check your nutrient mix and keep them topped off. So its impossible to SCROG with them. Nutrient film just doesn't work with bigger plants... so your back to good old ebb and flow. One pump and gravity, centralized REZ that you can keep outside the grow room. Can't imagine it getting much easier really. I guess soil with automated watering could be easier but way messier.

MrSmiley, I know what you mean about watching the screen fill...every morning is like Xmas when I see the plant's grown another inch or so. Sorry I can't help with your super cropping question. I'm sure someone will come along soon and learn us something.

legallyflying, I've started with a simple DWC with two plants in a single res. It's a great system for the small space I have and me not knowing what the heck I'm doing. I made an access hole in the top when I first set it up, and I'm glad I did. Just pop the cap and do my measurements. Also use a simple hand siphon doodad for res changes. Pretty simple. I'm glad you mention the buckets' limited access. I would not have thought about that until too late. I'll definitely start looking into the e&f for expansion in the coming years. Keep those pictures coming!!

this any good for ya bro? cloned for about 2weeks then a 7 week veg Lemon Haze


before flip to 12.12



last pic lemon on the left, auto flower right

my mini movable scrogs

edit - baby photos

Hello everyone...My first post to rollitup.com. I have been reading threads for about a year now. I think scrog is the only way to go. I was always wondering how a scrog would go if you threw sum plants down under a LED. I have read a lot of mixed reviews on LED but seems like the only fault is canopy penetration. A scrog would eliminate any problem with that right?

Nice grow Bro!!!!! First time here so waaazzzz up all!!! I love readin all your guy's input. Im on my second grow but first time with scrog. From what I have read and am seeing with my grow now the higher you have your screen the longer the veg. I have mine around 10in because I like having the room under it to work. However I'm thinking I will have to veg 6-7weeks or so to fill up the screen but then again Im only doin 2 plants in a 3.5x3.5ft net. Also I am in an aeroponic/DWC set up I made. I would post pics but still a little scared with all thats goin on around my spot. Anyways just wanted to say waz up and throw my grow out there. Peace all!

Sup Nicky! You know I was thinking the same thing. Im going to try in the next grow just cause I think scrog and led's will go hand in hand. I have 2 tents so next time around one tent will be for the 600w and the other will be led and 600w. See if they make a difference!

Just harvested my cheese. Vanilla kush and skunk berry still have another 7-10 days.

@scrogreen yea man u should def experiment with a LED and see how it compares to a HID. From what I have seen you can get the same amount of light and only draw half or less of the wattage. Also no heat issues and no ballast. You can custom build your LED system to have blues for veg and red and orange for flower and some white so you can see WTF is going on. You can throw that light 10 inch over the canopy and no worry about burning. If you could get one more tent you could have a three week rotation with no down time and veg each batch of clowns for 6 weeks and have some monsters when you harvest. I turn myself on when I think about it......

Nicky425 said:

@scrogreen yea man u should def experiment with a LED and see how it compares to a HID. From what I have seen you can get the same amount of light and only draw half or less of the wattage. Also no heat issues and no ballast. You can custom build your LED system to have blues for veg and red and orange for flower and some white so you can see WTF is going on. You can throw that light 10 inch over the canopy and no worry about burning. If you could get one more tent you could have a three week rotation with no down time and veg each batch of clowns for 6 weeks and have some monsters when you harvest. I turn myself on when I think about it......

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HAHAHAHAHA Nice! I know if i had another tent I could do a 3 week rotation but right now Im just tryn to learn the in's and out's of scrog. Once I feel good about it I will be building a nice big room that will have 3 rooms in it. All my tables will be on wheels so I can just go from one room to the next. Then I will do the 3 week rotation, well I think it will be more like a 4 weeks just because Im planing on growing sativa's. They seem to grow better since my screen is so high. But plans change every day!!!! You got anything grown right now nicky? I have one white widow (sativa dom) and one blue odyssey. The blue is growing like a indica but the breeder told me it was sativa dom. I think not but i wanted to compare sativa to indica n e ways.

Does anyone know how much bigger the white widow will get when you flip her to 12/12? Last grow I did GDP and they got about 30% bigger after the flip. Also if anyone would just put up what there grown and when they flip that would be great. All info would be greatly used!!!! Later

My mango kush, blue widow and Jack herrer pretty much doubled in length during the flip. Granted I'm ay 90 degree veg and 1200 ppm co2 at that time. 70% full is a good rule of thumb for flip time. Another veg area is an awesome way to go!! I take clones right before the flip and my next round needs about 10 minutes of veg after I harvest