Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???

You guys argue all the fuck you want to!! I've learned a TON of good things in these "Debates". I will say this though(I just said this in another post): I did a massive amount of research before I even threw a seed in the ground, and the common denominator I found amongst experienced growers, and the general agreement about leaf removal was this; DON'T!

So, I pretty much leave my leaves alone, unless they are dying or dead, and even my low yield plants turned out to be excellent smoke and affect.

In my current grow, I did use UB's topping technique, and the plants are the best I've ever grown. Now, I didn't get this advice from UB, but I have left my leaves ALONE! When all of the goodies have been drained out of a leaf, I tug on it to see if it's ready to give up. If it comes off easy, it's gone, otherwise I just keep checking.

One thing about me, though; I like trying new things. I like to experiment and I log every detail of my grows, so I would be willing to try defoiling/removing leaves just to see what happens.

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Brewer, tell the truth. You said that mango was smooth smoking. Is that code for flavorless?

Slab said:

Brewer, tell the truth. You said that mango was smooth smoking. Is that code for flavorless?

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Hmm, I must have missed that.. which breeder has a mango that's flavorless?

I never grew the lemon haze skunkdoc did I just cleared this up on the last page or did that post get deleted? I quoted him a couple of pages back he grew a 21 oz defoliated plant that I never smoked or commented on any smooth smoke but mine is smooth flavorful with almost no cough at all organic all the way no snap crack pop.

Bud Brewer said:

I never grew the lemon haze skunkdoc did I just cleared this up on the last page or did that post get deleted? I quoted him a couple of pages back he grew a 21 oz defoliated plant that I never smoked or commented on any smooth smoke but mine is smooth flavorful with almost no cough at all organic all the way no snap crack pop.

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this right here tells me you have no clue. Thanks for playing though.

I just wished more people on the forums actually did side-by-side runs of the strains they tested/experimented with "defol", and posted their findings, so we could get a better view concerning this very heated debate. At the moment, I can't provide any useful data regarding this practice~

Leave them alone and you get 4 ft plants in 8 weeks from seed. Sorry BB but you lucky bucket cola aint going to cut it against this beauty. And BJ, um I mean PJ maybe its time you actually grow something other than a hard on for Clay Akin....









My vote. Energy producers without a doubt...'thats a fact Jack'.

Roger Wilco...over and out..............

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Now thats what I am talking about............

chuck estevez said:

this right here tells me you have no clue. Thanks for playing though.

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Winner winner chicken dinner.........

Alexander Supertramp said:

Leave them alone and you get 4 ft plants in 8 weeks from seed. Sorry BB but you lucky bucket cola aint going to cut it against this beauty. And BJ, um I mean PJ maybe its time you actually grow something other than a hard on for Clay Akin....

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I don't mean to be an ass but what the hell is that! Your proud of this poor thing? By letting your main get that far away from the rest, you essentially have cut your own throat. Proper topping and pruning would have made for an even canopy. What you have there is one nice bud and a bunch of fluffly popcorn myfriend. You really need to stop listening to these idiots on here and start believing in yourself and experiment a little.

I know you think Im full of it....but man, really....you can do much better than that, if thats how you grow you can easily double your harvest with a bit of technique.

Your growing it like it was outdoors...Hmmm I wonder where you got that info?

chuck estevez said:

Dude, You try so hard to have a following like UB, but your ideas are all assbackwards.
I have never seen someone so green with envy.

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I could care less about followers, you trolls and wannabees have to be brought out and exposed for what you are. Proof is in the pics my friend. I have yet to see any of you"experts" produce a picture that shows a huge bounty. A good example is supertramps pic! He has lost over half his weight, why...because he follows without question and recieved really bad info.

You choose this:

Or this:


Untouched and natural or manipulated and topped.

There is no choice...Really these two pics tell the whole story.

Chucky your the follower and sadly you made a bad choice on who to follow.

Enough proof for me...I'm OUT!

Yep I choose mine. And I hate to break this too you but that canopy you say is even. Well its as crooked as your thought process on growing. And what is this "popcorn" you rookies speak of? I have never experienced it myself. Please share how you guys all seem to know how to grow it...

That is a sad comparison to my fat dense bithes you will not get half of what I got per plant thanks for playing, game over your done.
How can there be any popcorn there isn't any leaf or density to block anything you should have defoliated a few times then you might have something thick and heavy like mine.
I can't wait to see that cola on a bucket it will be the size of a 55 gallon drum from a hotwheels set LMAO.

PS. that is about the size of what I have left reflowering so they might be done near the same time but sorry you will still come up short again better luck next time.

The picture in my avatar is about the same stage 3-4 weeks flower you can't see any stalks or anything past the top few of inches, defoliation makes more branches and leaf with density you won't believe and note how full and even the canopy is and I still got bucket sized colas plus many other giant tops.

Alexander Supertramp said:

Winner winner chicken dinner.........

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Love the movie (21), watched it a bunch of times. Love that line!

Nice plant.......

Sir.Ganga said:

I don't mean to be an ass but what the hell is that! Your proud of this poor thing? By letting your main get that far away from the rest, you essentially have cut your own throat. Proper topping and pruning would have made for an even canopy. What you have there is one nice bud and a bunch of fluffly popcorn myfriend. You really need to stop listening to these idiots on here and start believing in yourself and experiment a little.

I know you think Im full of it....but man, really....you can do much better than that, if thats how you grow you can easily double your harvest with a bit of technique.

Your growing it like it was outdoors...Hmmm I wonder where you got that info?



I could care less about followers, you trolls and wannabees have to be brought out and exposed for what you are. Proof is in the pics my friend. I have yet to see any of you"experts" produce a picture that shows a huge bounty. A good example is supertramps pic! He has lost over half his weight, why...because he follows without question and recieved really bad info.


There is no choice...Really these two pics tell the whole story.

Chucky your the follower and sadly you made a bad choice on who to follow.

Enough proof for me...I'm OUT!

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Who are you to be instructing anyone how to grow plants? That was nothing more than a diatribe of insults and what's really funny, from another RIU shit-fer-brains marijuana nerd.

And to try to compare a plant which has different genetics under completely different gardening conditions than yours, 2 weeks into flowering with one ready to harvest, is just plain disengenious.

Now......shut the fuck up. It's his garden. He can do damn well what he wants with it.

Here's a large bushy plant, solid bud from top to bottom, grown using with no foolish gimmicks, tricks, topping, or defoliating..... grown using plain old cheap Walmart off the shelf foods in an organic potting soil I threw together from scratch.



Uncle Ben

Alexander Supertramp said:

Yep I choose mine. And I hate to break this too you but that canopy you say is even. Well its as crooked as your thought process on growing. And what is this "popcorn" you rookies speak of? I have never experienced it myself. Please share how you guys all seem to know how to grow it...

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Your serious??? Even canopy means ALL branching, not just tops. Even my girl needed more work to be even. You could have doubled your output with one top, but you have been brainwashed.

COME ON MAN...A 6-7 zip plant versus a 17 zip plant and you choose yours?

Honestly bud, i feel sorry for you because your girl looks healthy and with a little bit of knowledge you could do much better.


Producing plants that size in an indoor grow is not worth the time or effort. If that is how you grow then maybe outdoors you should be. Outdoor grower throw and go ending up with what you have there, nothing.

Sorry you can't wrap your head around it, but really your just using a lot of energy for what? That spindly weak ass plant! I see a 3:1 ratio when comparing our plants, you see it too but can't admit your thought process is skewed from other members.



Uncle popcorn...you are the reason he can't get shit off a plant. Genetics my ass, my plants would look exactly like that without manipulation. Proper pruning and topping will increase yeild on every strain. Yes they are different stages but there isn't enough structure on his lant to support the number I speak of.

Someone need to put you over their knee and straighten you out.

Sir.Ganga said:

Honestly bud, i feel sorry for you because your girl looks healthy and with a little bit of knowledge you could do much better.

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What, knowledge from you? Apparently you're not gonna take my advice, to shut up before looking like a fool. OK, time to school another one.....

Producing plants that size in an indoor grow is not worth the time or effort.

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Wrong. I've always grown my brand of SOB (sea-of-bush). Why? Because it allows me low maintenance (I refuse to become a slave to my plants, I've got better things to do with my time), while having the advantage of excellent production. I'm not about to screw around with 20 small plants when I can get the same output from 4-6.

If that is how you grow then maybe outdoors you should be. Outdoor grower throw and go ending up with what you have there, nothing.

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Keep posting that arrogant bullshit and confirm being a fool.

Sorry you can't wrap your head around it, but really your just using a lot of energy for what? That spindly weak ass plant! I see a 3:1 ratio when comparing our plants, you see it too but can't admit your thought process is skewed from other members

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Speaking of wrapping their heads around something....yours must be wrapped around a big turd. You are some disengenious buffoon to be comparing the two.

Keep up the petty insults and see where it gets you - a Texas sized whopping from the Uncle.

UB

Sir.Ganga said:

Your serious??? Even canopy means ALL branching, not just tops. Even my girl needed more work to be even. You could have doubled your output with one top, but you have been brainwashed.

COME ON MAN...A 6-7 zip plant versus a 17 zip plant and you choose yours?

Honestly bud, i feel sorry for you because your girl looks healthy and with a little bit of knowledge you could do much better.


Producing plants that size in an indoor grow is not worth the time or effort. If that is how you grow then maybe outdoors you should be. Outdoor grower throw and go ending up with what you have there, nothing.

Sorry you can't wrap your head around it, but really your just using a lot of energy for what? That spindly weak ass plant! I see a 3:1 ratio when comparing our plants, you see it too but can't admit your thought process is skewed from other members.



Uncle popcorn...you are the reason he can't get shit off a plant. Genetics my ass, my plants would look exactly like that without manipulation. Proper pruning and topping will increase yeild on every strain. Yes they are different stages but there isn't enough structure on his lant to support the number I speak of.

Someone need to put you over their knee and straighten you out.

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absolutely delusional. I guarantee you aren't going to pull that kind of weight off of every strain simply by defoliating. You Obviously grow some potent stuff because your fuckin stoned dude.

Sir.Ganga said:

Your serious??? Even canopy means ALL branching, not just tops. Even my girl needed more work to be even. You could have doubled your output with one top, but you have been brainwashed.

COME ON MAN...A 6-7 zip plant versus a 17 zip plant and you choose yours?

Honestly bud, i feel sorry for you because your girl looks healthy and with a little bit of knowledge you could do much better.


Producing plants that size in an indoor grow is not worth the time or effort. If that is how you grow then maybe outdoors you should be. Outdoor grower throw and go ending up with what you have there, nothing.

Sorry you can't wrap your head around it, but really your just using a lot of energy for what? That spindly weak ass plant! I see a 3:1 ratio when comparing our plants, you see it too but can't admit your thought process is skewed from other members.



Uncle popcorn...you are the reason he can't get shit off a plant. Genetics my ass, my plants would look exactly like that without manipulation. Proper pruning and topping will increase yeild on every strain. Yes they are different stages but there isn't enough structure on his lant to support the number I speak of.

Someone need to put you over their knee and straighten you out.

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LMFAO You Fukkin punks! What the fuck does GENETICS have to do with ANYTHING?! ROTFLMAO!
What's even better is how he inadvertently uses the classic Mendelian ratio...3:1. Can anyone say: IRONIC!