Farmer's market may have troubles...

abe supercro · Jun 6, 2012

perhaps not a real practical thought, but do you ppl ever stop and realize how F'ed it is that cannabis is even illegal to begin with?
the hypocrisy saddens me to no end. now the endless hoops and inflated prices, just so the gov't and pharma can attempt to get paid.

bob harris · Jun 6, 2012

ozzrokk said:
And there it is......................

I bet you will bobby.... I bet you will..... You just talked fairly decent in another thread when talking to others about a commercial or pharmacutical dispensary grow operation but then when you talk about the small guy you say lock his ass up............

Still say I was wrong about you bobby boy???????

I AM the small guy!!! Are you denying my right to free enterprise?!!!! Can I not do that because...well..I can?!!!!

Who should be allowed? just asking. I mean..I didn't say anything about rubbing out any small guys. I was hoping some other small guys would open some places too.

So now I'm bad for being a small guy willing to work....wow...just wow...

Or do small guys have to stay small?

bob harris · Jun 6, 2012

abe supercro said:
perhaps not a real practical thought, but do you ppl ever stop and realize how F'ed it is that cannabis is even illegal to begin with?
the hypocrisy saddens me to no end. now the endless hoops and inflated prices, just so the gov't and pharma can attempt to get paid.

Saddens me too. But we have what we have, and it's more than we had, but less than we should have.

They key is still working toward improvement in what we have.

bob harris · Jun 6, 2012

Ozz...How small, does a guy have to be..to be small? I mean, my income is less than 25k a year. I still have a mortgage. Got two older kids at home...one pays "rent"..one not. The one that pays rent, doesn't come close to covering her actual costs.

I'm on medicaid for insurance, I have significant medical expenses that I have to pay for.

So..am I not small? I mean really ozz...how small ya gotta get? I qualify for food fucking stamps..though the amount is so small I don't bother.

ozzrokk · Jun 6, 2012

bob harris said:
Ozz...How small, does a guy have to be..to be small? I mean, my income is less than 25k a year. I still have a mortgage. Got two older kids at home...one pays "rent"..one not. The one that pays rent, doesn't come close to covering her actual costs.

I'm on medicaid for insurance, I have significant medical expenses that I have to pay for.

So..am I not small? I mean really ozz...how small ya gotta get?

Your the fucking idiot that is always harpen on profiteers and lock their ass up the fucking drug dealers when in reality you want it done a certain way to line your pockets and dont even realize that is all you do is bag on people and blame EVERYONE for trying to make money off this and that is all you are trying to do.

Or is it a shift in tactics? Either way stay the fuck away from me . I do not trust you. Most others dont either

bob harris · Jun 6, 2012

Ozz...before ya get mad at me for being able to lay down $15,000 or so to get started. I don't have that kinda money. But I do has credits, as they say in the hood. Don't hate me for having good credit...please?

ozzrokk · Jun 6, 2012

bob harris said:
Ozz...before ya get mad at me for being able to lay down $15,000 or so to get started. I don't have that kinda money. But I do has credits, as they say in the hood. Don't hate me for having good credit...please?

your more obvious than ever bobby boy. now fuck off

bob harris · Jun 6, 2012

ozzrokk said:
Your the fucking idiot that is always harpen on profiteers and lock their ass up the fucking drug dealers when in reality you want it done a certain way to line your pockets and dont even realize that is all you do is bag on people and blame EVERYONE for trying to make money off this and that is all you are trying to do.

Or is it a shift in tactics? Either way stay the fuck away from me . I do not trust you. Most others dont either

Qzz...are you getting angry? It's just a debate...

I mean...I don't want it done "a certain" way...any clear path will do. The problem is the lack of a clear path.

If there is a clear path, of course I would like to be able to pay for all the equipment I've accumulated. I'd love to be able to transfer legally to patients in need.

I already said I'd go NPO..(that's non profit) Yes, I'd pay myself, oh, about $632.00 a month. Any more and it would mess with my diabilty payments.

I'd rarely be there. I'd hire people to run it. Guessing 3 full time employees. Simply keep the books, make sure everything is running smooth, couple hours a day tops.

I make my 600 a month....my 3 employees split up the rest (after bills are paid) Should make them all a lot more than I make...

Is that bad of me? I mean..it sounds as if I have no right to advance myself...

gladstoned · Jun 6, 2012

bob harris said:
...like a wine tasting party.

Bob. You are making this really difficult. Those few words fuck up every thing you say. Why is a wine tasting party ok, but patients buying legal meds and appearing like they are at a wine tasting party a fucked up thing? Marijuana cheers people up, so when it works they are guilty of something? I am going to log off. It is 11:52. If I don't log off, there is a good chance when the clock strikes 12:00 I could turn into an asshole.

And I still have pics and shit to download. It'll be there with coffee and a joint. Lord willing.

bob harris · Jun 6, 2012

gladstoned said:
Bob. You are making this really difficult. Those few words fuck up every thing you say. Why is a wine tasting party ok, but patients buying legal meds and appearing like they are at a wine tasting party a fucked up thing? Marijuana cheers people up, so when it works they are guilty of something? I am going to log off. It is 11:52. If I don't log off, there is a good chance when the clock strikes 12:00 I could turn into an asshole.

And I still have pics and shit to download. It'll be there with coffee and a joint. Lord willing.

I have no problem with the appearance of a wine tasting party. I say bring hookers too.

I'm trying to explain that that 50 yo voter that passed this thing, perceives it as a wine tasting party.
They in fact,are the same ones who voted it in, The millions of voters who passed this bill, but do not participate, see that and, just like with voting..they tell their politicians what THEY think too.

The 140,000 (or whatever the current count is) legal medical participants....need to think about what the 3 million or so non participant voters think.

That 3 million want it clean and out of sight. They are not out to oppress anyone...but they voted in medical. Take cannabis out of it for a second. They voted in medical...and every thing that they know that is medical, is clean, orderly, professional...AND pretty invisible.

Probably only half of the actual registered users of this law, approve of how it's been implemented so far. Not the lack of defenses, not the lack of access (those piss off everyone) IMPLEMENTATION....lansing had what..70 "dispensaries" at the peak?

That's a few too many. I mean, how many cardholders can there be in Lansing? Can there be 5000 card holders in Lansing?
I mean there are only 140,000 or so of us..this is a big State..how many can Lansing have?

I mean, from a talking "medical" standpoint, Why do you need 70 dispensaries for 5000 people, when 25 pharmacies can serve the entire population?

The people taking this law down..Isn't really the cops, or the legislator, It's the 3 million voters that don't participate. They tell their reps how disappointed they are too...just like we do.

The medical cannabis people, the card holders if you will, act like the law is all about what THEY want. Most forget that they are a small voice in the total pool of voters.....then those people that helped vote this in...well, they start to think they made a mistake when the see how we "self implemented" the law.

Hope that makes sense.

Cory and trevor · Jun 7, 2012

LOL, Oh Bob, you're at it again. First, it's your perception not anyone and everyone over 50. second, where is your stat that the vote was rocked by old folks? It was on the same ballot that got Obama elected and I can just about gaurantee that was NOT the over 50 crowd in this racist-ass city in this racist-ass state. Truth be told record numbers of young people turned out for that vote, voted for Obama and weed. 3 a wine tasting party doesn't call to mind hippies acting the fool stinking like patchouli it's more of a civilized atmosphere of whimsy at a wine tasting party (prob another thing you have never seen but comment on anyway) we all get it dude, you're the most sick most deserving dude out there no body even comes in second and when you're called on it you back pedal and say "oh well I think it should be legal too....but but but blah blah blah clartification...bs. The voters voted on the plain language law because they wouldn't trust a law worded like the legeslature wants it; more ambigious to the average citizen and therefore harder to follow. How else is a law from the people by the people suposed to be implimented? You been on disability too long or something brother, there is no need for THEM to take care of US read OUR original law we as a community are on our own. That community might include a group at farmers marke (the wal-mart of weed if you will) a group may band together and put a psycho incharge and fold up shortly after (compassion club in JXN?) or they might just find a dude with dirt and a light and be happy in a litttle band but it's up to us not them to regulate and push us in to the right corners and force us to associate the correct way. Alcohol is "regulated" to the point my busddies and I jsut found a homeless dude when we were too young, they serve it 21+ people who 99.9% of the time drove to the establishment and will drive home from it unfettered by the establishment that intoxicated them. you can't always rely on the big awesome gov to keep you safe.

DankGrower · Jun 7, 2012

Cory and trevor said:
LOL, Oh Bob, you're at it again. First, it's your perception not anyone and everyone over 50. second, where is your stat that the vote was rocked by old folks? It was on the same ballot that got Obama elected and I can just about gaurantee that was NOT the over 50 crowd in this racist-ass city in this racist-ass state. Truth be told record numbers of young people turned out for that vote, voted for Obama and weed. 3 a wine tasting party doesn't call to mind hippies acting the fool stinking like patchouli it's more of a civilized atmosphere of whimsy at a wine tasting party (prob another thing you have never seen but comment on anyway) we all get it dude, you're the most sick most deserving dude out there no body even comes in second and when you're called on it you back pedal and say "oh well I think it should be legal too....but but but blah blah blah clartification...bs. The voters voted on the plain language law because they wouldn't trust a law worded like the legeslature wants it; more ambigious to the average citizen and therefore harder to follow. How else is a law from the people by the people suposed to be implimented? You been on disability too long or something brother, there is no need for THEM to take care of US read OUR original law we as a community are on our own. That community might include a group at farmers marke (the wal-mart of weed if you will) a group may band together and put a psycho incharge and fold up shortly after (compassion club in JXN?) or they might just find a dude with dirt and a light and be happy in a litttle band but it's up to us not them to regulate and push us in to the right corners and force us to associate the correct way. Alcohol is "regulated" to the point my busddies and I jsut found a homeless dude when we were too young, they serve it 21+ people who 99.9% of the time drove to the establishment and will drive home from it unfettered by the establishment that intoxicated them. you can't always rely on the big awesome gov to keep you safe.

your making up information to support an erroneous thought process record numbers of young people registered to vote but they did not show up on election day according to the states final voting numbers we had the lowest turn out in over 20 years of voters under 25.

Do you feel the only regulation should come from those who are card holders of some kind????? Because that seems to be the stand point you are taking. To me that would seem like asking a Catholic Priests to run an all boys summer camp.

bob harris · Jun 7, 2012

DankGrower said:
your making up information to support an erroneous thought process record numbers of young people registered to vote but they did not show up on election day according to the states final voting numbers we had the lowest turn out in over 20 years of voters under 25.

Do you feel the only regulation should come from those who are card holders of some kind????? Because that seems to be the stand point you are taking. To me that would seem like asking a Catholic Priests to run an all boys summer camp.

Thank you.

bob harris · Jun 7, 2012

Cory and trevor said:
LOL, Oh Bob, you're at it again. First, it's your perception not anyone and everyone over 50. second, where is your stat that the vote was rocked by old folks? It was on the same ballot that got Obama elected and I can just about gaurantee that was NOT the over 50 crowd in this racist-ass city in this racist-ass state. Truth be told record numbers of young people turned out for that vote, voted for Obama and weed. 3 a wine tasting party doesn't call to mind hippies acting the fool stinking like patchouli it's more of a civilized atmosphere of whimsy at a wine tasting party (prob another thing you have never seen but comment on anyway) we all get it dude, you're the most sick most deserving dude out there no body even comes in second and when you're called on it you back pedal and say "oh well I think it should be legal too....but but but blah blah blah clartification...bs. The voters voted on the plain language law because they wouldn't trust a law worded like the legeslature wants it; more ambigious to the average citizen and therefore harder to follow. How else is a law from the people by the people suposed to be implimented? You been on disability too long or something brother, there is no need for THEM to take care of US read OUR original law we as a community are on our own. That community might include a group at farmers marke (the wal-mart of weed if you will) a group may band together and put a psycho incharge and fold up shortly after (compassion club in JXN?) or they might just find a dude with dirt and a light and be happy in a litttle band but it's up to us not them to regulate and push us in to the right corners and force us to associate the correct way. Alcohol is "regulated" to the point my busddies and I jsut found a homeless dude when we were too young, they serve it 21+ people who 99.9% of the time drove to the establishment and will drive home from it unfettered by the establishment that intoxicated them. you can't always rely on the big awesome gov to keep you safe.

Wow..that was a long rant that said nothing. So angry. hit anyone on crutches lately?

st0wandgrow · Jun 7, 2012

DankGrower said:
your making up information to support an erroneous thought process record numbers of young people registered to vote but they did not show up on election day according to the states final voting numbers we had the lowest turn out in over 20 years of voters under 25.

Do you feel the only regulation should come from those who are card holders of some kind????? Because that seems to be the stand point you are taking. To me that would seem like asking a Catholic Priests to run an all boys summer camp.

I think you and bob are overestimating what the average voter feels. People that voted for this bill that AREN'T patients and/or caregivers don't walk around with marijuana on their minds. In fact, I bet they haven't given this bill a second thought since they voted for it. I'm a patient and a caregiver, and I am very much aware of the marijuana community and businesses within this community, and I don't see what you guys are purporting to see. There aren't "stoners" hanging on every corner in front of the local marijuana establishments. It's not being shoved down peoples throats. That is simply a figment of an over active imagination. People have busy lives, with plenty of their own issues. Outside of the relative handful of people registered in the state, there really isn't some backlash of people complaining about things. All of the bitching comes from within.

FatMarty · Jun 7, 2012

st0wandgrow said:
I think you and bob are overestimating what the average voter feels. People that voted for this bill that AREN'T patients and/or caregivers don't walk around with marijuana on their minds. In fact, I bet they haven't given this bill a second thought since they voted for it. I'm a patient and a caregiver, and I am very much aware of the marijuana community and businesses within this community, and I don't see what you guys are purporting to see. There aren't "stoners" hanging on every corner in front of the local marijuana establishments. It's not being shoved down peoples throats. That is simply a figment of an over active imagination. People have busy lives, with plenty of their own issues. Outside of the relative handful of people registered in the state, there really isn't some backlash of people complaining about things. All of the bitching comes from within.

Yeah.

You know if Bob and this new asshole want to feel guilty about using medication that makes them feel better; so be it.
The goddamned legislature is crafting their own Dispensaries and doing an end around the MMMA to make it work with "PharmaGrade" cards and meds.
They understand what all the other yeehaws that are screwing us know - the MMMA does not authorize dispensaries.
It does however authorize P2P; don't for a minute believe all this horseshit about vagueness and grey areas.

Most legislators are Attorneys - it is a given they know exactly what this law allows for us - that is why they are working so hard against it.
It takes the power away from them. If we give it back they won't do the right thing. They never do.

st0wandgrow · Jun 7, 2012

I think you're right Marty. There is ALWAYS a money motive with politicians. I don't know exactly how this will play out, but I agree with you on this pharmaceutical grade nonsense. It reeks of greedy Lansing suits.

bob harris · Jun 7, 2012

FatMarty said:
Yeah.

You know if Bob and this new asshole want to feel guilty about using medication that makes them feel better; so be it.
The goddamned legislature is crafting their own Dispensaries and doing an end around the MMMA to make it work with "PharmaGrade" cards and meds.
They understand what all the other yeehaws that are screwing us know - the MMMA does not authorize dispensaries.
It does however authorize P2P; don't for a minute believe all this horseshit about vagueness and grey areas.

Most legislators are Attorneys - it is a given they know exactly what this law allows for us - that is why they are working so hard against it.
It takes the power away from them. If we give it back they won't do the right thing. They never do.

I hope the SC sees p2p as legal...it removes a ton of problems.We should have that ruling soon. What if they uphold cg to assigned patient only?

If the SC upholds p2p, no dispensaries are needed. You'll just be able to go to Craigslist and find what you need.

My problem with thinking that p2p is guaranteed by the act "as written" is the wording "connected by the registry".

No need to use the word connected..unless it refers to patients and ASSIGNED care givers. Timmahhs thought that "connected" means every one is connected that has a card..makes no sense. The simply would have said "everyone on the registry...no need for "connected."

I hope I am wrong.

The "pharma grade" thing, I'm still not sure of. I like the idea of tested and labeled meds. It depends on where that bill flushes out.

Testing is quite inexpensive..less than $100 per sample. I quite simply don't understand why Places like Farmers markets (which I still don't like) Don't require vendors to do it.

ozzrokk · Jun 7, 2012

st0wandgrow said:
I think you and bob are overestimating what the average voter feels. People that voted for this bill that AREN'T patients and/or caregivers don't walk around with marijuana on their minds. In fact, I bet they haven't given this bill a second thought since they voted for it. I'm a patient and a caregiver, and I am very much aware of the marijuana community and businesses within this community, and I don't see what you guys are purporting to see. There aren't "stoners" hanging on every corner in front of the local marijuana establishments. It's not being shoved down peoples throats. That is simply a figment of an over active imagination. People have busy lives, with plenty of their own issues. Outside of the relative handful of people registered in the state, there really isn't some backlash of people complaining about things. All of the bitching comes from within.

I agree with that.

ozzrokk · Jun 7, 2012

bob harris said:
My problem with thinking that p2p is guaranteed by the act "as written" is the wording "connected by the registry".

No need to use the word connected..unless it refers to patients and ASSIGNED care givers. Timmahhs thought that "connected" means every one is connected that has a card..makes no sense. The simply would have said "everyone on the registry...no need for "connected."

That is there for limiting the amount you can hold on hand for patients and the amount of plants that can be grown. That is why it is mentioned in those areas and those areas only. That wording is used to allow you a maximum amount and still carry the protection of REGISTRATION.

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