Finally some common sense out of DC

abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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RPM371 said:
It's time to take it back and focus on nutrition.
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So you just want the gov't to impose it's will. You want the gov't to impose what you think is good nutrition.

You're a communist.




#edit#What part of the following do you not understand? Snap is not about feeding the needy, that is incidental, it is about the economic boon, and job creation.
 
Lurkdewitt

Lurkdewitt

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ricky1lung said:
I can see more people starving soon.
So, what people want to see is people struggling harder to fill their bellies? After constant nutritional reports
on low income people and the effects of not eating right, it is well known that those people are priced out of a
good healthy meal.

So now, those people will have to spend more for their meals and will then put less food into their homes.
Morally sound? I think not.

I find it ironically funny to see the same people who cry foul when the gov does something they don't like
trying to dictate how other people feed themselves.

Oh yeah, taxes are a fact of life, get over it or don't pay them and soon enough you can have a roof over your
head and 3 square a day. Perhaps, instead of picking on people who are trying to eat, those who have issues with how
their tax dollars are spent could start chipping away at some military budgets to cut some costs.....
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How would not allowing them to buy Doritos and cookies using snap affect them eating healthy? That's an oxymoron.

i don't mind helping people out at all, in fact it makes me feel good. On top of paying my share of taxes, I also once a month donate about $100 worth of food to the Oregon Food Bank, but trust me, none of it is junk food.

Some people using the snap program take advantage of it. My parents never qualified for any social programs because of my dads income, despite the fact of having over 1.5 million dollars in debt from his injury. We lived frugally to say the least and twice a week my sister and I would eat at my grandmas because my parents had no money. All the while I would go over to my friends house who's mom worked part time at Wally World and they had their housing payed for, wic and snap; and all the new electronics and new cars. I had to watch them eat steak or halibut for dinner while saying how broke she was, and the while trying to figure out who this was really helping. It then clicked, some people need help and need basic life essentials. Other people need an enabler so they can live as nicely as possible while working least as possible.

All I'm saying is that imagine all of the junk food bought by snap users could have been put to a better use by responsibly regulating what they buy. Nobody wants people in need to starve, they just are sick of seeing poor people buy cases of rock star energy drinks and loads of chips while saying they are broke. It's a slap in the face because a lot of us have a third of our paycheck taxed only to be called selfish by someone who doesn't work or isn't smart enough to budget the money they do earn. Just my .02.


oh and as much as I hate taxes, I know they aren't going anywhere and at least I can try to see through that my taxes dollars aren't being completely wasted.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Doer said:
Most pay willingly. MOST. We understand the need. You are not even a minority. Just one weak candle in the wind of change.
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No they don't, stop lying. People pay because they are threatened. All government edicts are backed with threats, even you probably know that...weak candle.

Most people don't want to kill people abroad, only dangerous arm wrestling guys like you with gigantic internet muscles might do that. You voluntarily pay for the DEA budget and the highest prison population in the world....are you daft?

the problem is you can't avoid paying for the horrible shit under the present system and rather than change it, you call it the best it ever was and imply it's the best that will ever be.
That's pretty flat earth thinking you got going on there.
 
Commander Strax

Commander Strax

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Communism works great, If you are an ant or a bee.

If we were communist there would be no food stamps. You would go to your job or to the gulag
 
ricky1lung

ricky1lung

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Lurkdewitt said:
How would not allowing them to buy Doritos and cookies using snap affect them eating healthy? That's an oxymoron.

i don't mind helping people out at all, in fact it makes me feel good. On top of paying my share of taxes, I also once a month donate about $100 worth of food to the Oregon Food Bank, but trust me, none of it is junk food.

Some people using the snap program take advantage of it. My parents never qualified for any social programs because of my dads income, despite the fact of having over 1.5 million dollars in debt from his injury. We lived frugally to say the least and twice a week my sister and I would eat at my grandmas because my parents had no money. All the while I would go over to my friends house who's mom worked part time at Wally World and they had their housing payed for, wic and snap; and all the new electronics and new cars. I had to watch them eat steak or halibut for dinner while saying how broke she was, and the while trying to figure out who this was really helping. It then clicked, some people need help and need basic life essentials. Other people need an enabler so they can live as nicely as possible while working least as possible.

All I'm saying is that imagine all of the junk food bought by snap users could have been put to a better use by responsibly regulating what they buy. Nobody wants people in need to starve, they just are sick of seeing poor people buy cases of rock star energy drinks and loads of chips while saying they are broke. It's a slap in the face because a lot of us have a third of our paycheck taxed only to be called selfish by someone who doesn't work or isn't smart enough to budget the money they do earn. Just my .02.


oh and as much as I hate taxes, I know they aren't going anywhere and at least I can try to see through that my taxes dollars aren't being completely wasted.
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My stance is this to clarify:

Junk food is cheaper, which is why people buy it. They do so, so they can eat the amount of meals they need.
People on food stamps are not getting large amounts of money, rather they are getting just enough money to force
them to choose whether they can eat when they need to, or eat good food at a reduced occurrence.

To restrict the choices to more expensive food will in turn reduce the meals people are allotted unless those people
are given more money, which as evidenced by this thread alone simply wont happen.

I am almost 100% certain anyone would trade up to steak and potatoes from pop and chips if they could. In the case of food stamps
how many steaks and bags of potatoes could you buy? Not many and then you are starving because someone decided that what you
eat is a luxury when in reality it is not, steak is a luxury.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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RPM371 said:
Taxation with representation is the magic. You have the option to elect someone to change the law. What makes the infrastructure and security you enjoy magically "free"?
If you don't enjoy paying your fair share you are free to move somewhere else.
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So, all a person has to do to get to be able to change theft into taxation is to get enough "representatives" to agree to it and that makes it okay? Okay, is there a percentage limit or can taxes be 80% and "not theft" ? 90%? What's the magic number ?
 
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joe macclennan

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just curious as to whom defines the word "healthy"? Whichever company gives the most campaign contributions. Or the food distributer with the strongest lobby?

Just like our govt to take away the peoples right to choose. Even if it is the wrong choice.
 
SeedHo

SeedHo

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i`m all for the social programs we have here, i think they should be fixed but not done away with at all. if you read the article the guy that came up with it is totally against the same thing being done in schools, i not sure of his motivation here but time will tell. the snap program has average pay out is less than $65 a week per family. i think it should be for healthier food, but before i were to back the bill we`re talking about i`d like to see what they call healthy. chips and red bull should be off the menu but pet food should stay, sad to said but it is cheap and for some that is all they can afford. its funny how people against these programs only like to point out the abused part of it, not the programs intentional purpose. if you don`t like the way they are working make the effort to have them fixed, make a call write a letter you know how the system works.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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joe macclennan said:
just curious as to whom defines the word "healthy"? Whichever company gives the most campaign contributions. Or the food distributer with the strongest lobby?

Just like our govt to take away the peoples right to choose. Even if it is the wrong choice.
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If people's "right to choose" were important, the funding of things would be based on a pay as you use it basis, just like when you go to a gas station, a clothing store or any other service. Giving people a "pay or else" edict doesn't seem like a very good place to start off an alleged charitable program.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Commander Strax said:
It is not "their" money, It is the tax payers money being spent by some non working lazy peice of shit. Get a fucking job if you want to buy junk food.

Let take this one step more and if they have more kids give them less money not more.

If you are working then these people are eating your food.
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the majority of people on food stamps actually do work.

i guess some people are not bright enough to understand this.

be proud of yourself. :clap:
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Rob Roy said:
No that's not true. Once something is taken without consent, it's STOLEN.
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good thing people have to consent to a withholding agreement of their own free will first, thus making it not stolen.

fucking spazoid.

Rob Roy said:
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Dictating to people what they will do with the fruit of their labor seems slavish.
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slavish is being sold away from your family at age 8 to work hard labor your whole life with no compensation.

taxes are nothing like that.

get some fucking perspective, junior.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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UncleBuck said:
the majority of people on food stamps actually do work.

i guess some people are not bright enough to understand this.

be proud of yourself. :clap:
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Inflation caused by government policies has helped to reduce their buying power. Some people are not bright enough to understand this.
 
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