First "BIG" Grow - 10x10 room 4000 watts?

wexpac

wexpac

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Hello, so I am in the middle of setting up a grow for a 10x10 extra room. I have grown many crops before this one however nothing with such amount of space so I was looking for some input on what is the best approach. I plan on having anywhere from 50-100 plants and using 4x 1000 watt lights, couple circulating fans, exhaust through the attic, intake I haven't figured it out yet looking for best possible way open to ideas how much cfm is necessary?.... and going with the complete foxfarm soil / nutrient package.

I figure around 75 plants would be best as far as space management 2 gallon buckets/put into 5 gallon buckets. I have only grown inside a tent previously to this so I am wondering if I should mylar the walls and what needs to be done to prevent bugs from ruining my crop. Also wondering if since my lights do not have air cooled reflectors if it will be a big issue even if I exhaust with a 6inch 410cfm fan
:eyesmoke:Thanks for any input.
 
LT1RX7 Drifter

LT1RX7 Drifter

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plant count is to high, fan cfm should be higher around 1050cfm you dont want to have to run the system wide open to maintain temps run it on a speed control at 75% leaving you 25% more cfm to help if you have a temp spike, hang the light as equally spaced as possible for the best light over lap possible, i would run more then 40 under 4k, if your using the whole room just paint the walls white, you could run a course of reflectix around the room if you didnt want to paint a 50ft rool will do the room install it about a ft off the ground as pots dont grow lol, you would be suprised i have seen people put it on the ceiling lol, hope this helps alittle
 
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Munk Dog

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Well, im no expert, but to me 4kw for 75 plants seem a little low. And if you're going tent free, mylar is a must. Thrifty suggestion though. Hop on Amazon and look up mylar survival blankets. 10 pack for 9 bucks. Two orders of that should cover your entire room as long as you're not trying to run it to the ceiling. As for bugs, for me I've always just kept it well ventiliated. Worse comes to worse, should you get spider mites, go get a couple lady bugs from the pet store.
 
LT1RX7 Drifter

LT1RX7 Drifter

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^ clearly your no expert, more plants more nutes more work more soil more money more cramped, i assure you 40-50 plants onder 4k will make a 15-20lbs grow anymore and your greedy and asking for a trip to the big house, e blankets have a thin coating of reflective film and does not like water at all it will seperate from the film leaving you with clear mylar, it creases to easy and causes hot spot, reflectix is so durable you can staple the shit to the wall and rip it off during teardown and use it 5-8 time do that with your eblanket or any other film on the market and it will rip and tear not to mention anything other then reflectix is hard to work with in large section and hang correctly
 
bigloc

bigloc

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I would like to see the way your gonna arrange the lights to fit because I was thinking of setting up a 8/10 room sometime next year with 2 1000 watters.
 
wexpac

wexpac

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LT1RX7 Drifter said:
plant count is to high, fan cfm should be higher around 1050cfm you dont want to have to run the system wide open to maintain temps run it on a speed control at 75% leaving you 25% more cfm to help if you have a temp spike, hang the light as equally spaced as possible for the best light over lap possible, i would run more then 40 under 4k, if your using the whole room just paint the walls white, you could run a course of reflectix around the room if you didnt want to paint a 50ft rool will do the room install it about a ft off the ground as pots dont grow lol, you would be suprised i have seen people put it on the ceiling lol, hope this helps alittle
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Thanks for the input. As far as ventilation goes in my experience I had better results increasing exhaust cfms rather than intake, as a suggestion it would probably be better off using the fan I have now for some type of intake and buying a new 10"-12" version of the Windtunnel I have for exhaust (800-1200cfms). Regards to plant count 75 was giving me a headache just thinking about it but Im all for maximizing the space I have but I really would like to see more fat colas than plants so 50 sounds like a better option.
 
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Munk Dog

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LT1RX7 Drifter said:
^ clearly your no expert, more plants more nutes more work more soil more money more cramped, i assure you 40-50 plants onder 4k will make a 15-20lbs grow anymore and your greedy and asking for a trip to the big house, e blankets have a thin coating of reflective film and does not like water at all it will seperate from the film leaving you with clear mylar, it creases to easy and causes hot spot, reflectix is so durable you can staple the shit to the wall and rip it off during teardown and use it 5-8 time do that with your eblanket or any other film on the market and it will rip and tear not to mention anything other then reflectix is hard to work with in large section and hang correctly
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True. Not an Expert because im not a soil grower. However, the mylar blankets i was talking about is definately something a grower designed. Instead of a true e-blanket, this cheap piece of crap is just a 6' x 4' sheet of mylar. True, not nearly as good as reflextix. but 10 bucks will cover a large area if you just dropped a ton of cash on all the other equip. lol. Its called a pinch hitter brother. Plus, I agree with you on the number of plants. However, dude said he was thinking around 75 plants. To me, 4k seemed a little low. Hands down, i agree. Keep your numbers down, otherwise you're asking for trouble. But, if you decide thats not what you want to do, up your lights. By the way. Go Hydro. lol
 
LT1RX7 Drifter

LT1RX7 Drifter

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you could lollipop them after 3 weeks of veg and maybe run 60 or run a sog if you want plant count but you wont have any room for a veg of any sort, using 6x6x9 square pots but it alot of work buddy i have done some high count grow in my past and its not fun
 
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Shredder5kallday

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Just saw this and thought I give my two cents I want to know my comments are my own and should not be taken offensly ok to start with idk about the cfm thingy u guys are talking about think its exhaust but umm u need an ac fuck a exhaust for real ill buy ac over exhaust any day all exhuast does is move air around I got a door for that shit that being said i have two ten inch canam or what ever there called I use the for smell control only and I have hooked up just in case god for bid ac blows yes mylar a must its nice but a pain in the ass I personally use plastic im lazy and it's easy when feds knocking on ur door to tear down umm okay now lights all u guys with ur cfls hahahahahaha ahhhhahahahah ahhhahaahaha oh god ahahahaha u guys are so funny I dont give fuck what anyone tells u cant bud with cfls are u get fluffy crap my grandpa smokes on u need 1000 watts ( for all u cfl guy u know I never said they didnt veg under cfls u fags)and why ur at get the hoods fuck it get raptors with digital ballast lumetrck best brand ummm co2 bags are the only thing that going to give u an actual yield increase ya lets hear it for that other guy out there who says these nutes do this that I bet u grow with cfls hahahaha nutes only help when shit going wrong yes u want have basic nutes diet u give ur plants but ur watter schedule should be fwwwfwwwfwwwf and I think I give toa mny nutes so ya that my two cents any thing I forgot let me know I love feed back
 
lilroach

lilroach

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I have what amounts to 8'x8' of grow area and have played with plant counts for the past 2 years.....from over 50 to where I'm now.....16 plants.

Having a shit-ton of plants in a relatively small area is an absolute pain in the ass...especially growing in soil. Easily 10 times more work for no real increase in yield.

If you're like me, reading this advice will probably make you want to prove me wrong and will go ahead and toss too many plants in an area and in 7 weeks you'll say "That lilroach guy was right".

Go with about 20 plants and you'll have a great output and it'll be much less work.
 
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Shredder5kallday

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lilroach said:
I have what amounts to 8'x8' of grow area and have played with plant counts for the past 2 years.....from over 50 to where I'm now.....16 plants.

Having a shit-ton of plants in a relatively small area is an absolute pain in the ass...especially growing in soil. Easily 10 times more work for no real increase in yield.

If you're like me, reading this advice will probably make you want to prove me wrong and will go ahead and toss too many plants in an area and in 7 weeks you'll say "That lilroach guy was right".

Go with about 20 plants and you'll have a great output and it'll be much less work.
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Please keep talking im sensing so much knowledge no really what strains do u use how many lights what kind of hoods ?do u use co2 what do u use for electrictly control I dont want burn my house diwn fire scares me umm how much wieight do u pull
 
lilroach

lilroach

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If you're new....focus on indica-dom strains...they're easy and resistant to the long list of beginner mistakes.

I have four 600 watts over my area...but would recommend 1000's...probably 4 if your room is 10x10 and you have good height (1000's shouldn't be any closer than 2' above your plants). If you have less than 6-7 feet of clearance....go with 600's and run six fixtures.

Don't go with the XXXL hoods.....stick with the standard sealed hoods....I got mine on Amazon for $60 a piece....just shop around. Craigslist is your friend if you shop wisely and are comfortable with buying used equipment.

No.....I don't run CO2 as of yet.....it's in my future...but not yet.

Do a ton of reading......honestly, this site is full of misinformation and contradictory advice. You'll get informational overload as you bounce from grow site to grow site. There's a shit-ton of videos out there.....stick with the professional videos and stay away from the home-made ones.

Find a mentor......Finding a mentor saved me about 2 years of fuck-ups. Look for someone on here with a ton of experience (sorry I'm not available) and has an extensive number of grow pictures.....I'm sure you'll find a good one and they'll be glad to help out. It's best to follow one's advice than trying to absorb the voices of many.

Keep it simple. There's a boat-load of advanced growing techniques on here....avoid them for your first couple of grows. Let your plants grow out naturally and you'll learn much about how they like to grow. Then try one or two techniques at a time to see what these changes do to your grow.

Don't over-love your plants. Every new grower, myself included, over water, over feed, over-light, and over-freak out. Weed is a real easy plant to grow....drop a seed in moist soil, don't drown it, keep your lights at a recommended distance from your plants, be very light on nutrients until 12/12, and you'll have a nice grow.
 
ODanksta

ODanksta

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LT1RX7 Drifter said:
^ clearly your no expert, more plants more nutes more work more soil more money more cramped, i assure you 40-50 plants onder 4k will make a 15-20lbs grow anymore and your greedy and asking for a trip to the big house, e blankets have a thin coating of reflective film and does not like water at all it will seperate from the film leaving you with clear mylar, it creases to easy and causes hot spot, reflectix is so durable you can staple the shit to the wall and rip it off during teardown and use it 5-8 time do that with your eblanket or any other film on the market and it will rip and tear not to mention anything other then reflectix is hard to work with in large section and hang correctly
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clearly you are not expert, but trying to act like one, I'll eat you alive.

If you think 4K is going to equal 15 to 20lbs you are by far the biggest idiot on this site.

Ever heard of gram per watt?

Even the most experienced growers have trouble hitting 15lbs on a 10K

And 50 to 100 under 4K is not to much, ever heard of SOG.

Fucking inexperienced stupid fuck.

Say something! Anything loser
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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ODanksta said:
clearly you are not expert, but trying to act like one, I'll eat you alive.

If you think 4K is going to equal 15 to 20lbs you are by far the biggest idiot on this site.

Ever heard of gram per watt?

Even the most experienced growers have trouble hitting 15lbs on a 10K

And 50 to 100 under 4K is not to much, ever heard of SOG.

Fucking inexperienced stupid fuck.

Say something! Anything loser
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Sic 'em, killer! This site is jammed full of one grow wonders, isn't it?
 
lilroach

lilroach

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ODanksta said:
clearly you are not expert, but trying to act like one, I'll eat you alive.

If you think 4K is going to equal 15 to 20lbs you are by far the biggest idiot on this site.

Ever heard of gram per watt?

Even the most experienced growers have trouble hitting 15lbs on a 10K

And 50 to 100 under 4K is not to much, ever heard of SOG.

Fucking inexperienced stupid fuck.

Say something! Anything loser
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It's exchanges like this that makes RIU the last place anyone should come to get advice about growing. There's never a thread that doesn't end up with a bunch of useless name-calling and putting down of other members.

I'm a member of numerous grow sites and it's only here that I see such crap where someone calls someone else an idiot and "stupid fuck".

Every now and then I ignore my better judgement and visit this site....mostly out of sentimental reasons as this is where I started my growing career. This is also where a majority of new growers come to learn now and the first thing that becomes evident is to them is that saying something that isn't correct will be met with being bashed and put down.

If you're a new grower, my best advice is to find other more friendly grow sites. There's a ton of them that will benefit you much more than the crap you will have to put up with here.
 
ODanksta

ODanksta

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lilroach said:
It's exchanges like this that makes RIU the last place anyone should come to get advice about growing. There's never a thread that doesn't end up with a bunch of useless name-calling and putting down of other members.

I'm a member of numerous grow sites and it's only here that I see such crap where someone calls someone else an idiot and "stupid fuck".

Every now and then I ignore my better judgement and visit this site....mostly out of sentimental reasons as this is where I started my growing career. This is also where a majority of new growers come to learn now and the first thing that becomes evident is to them is that saying something that isn't correct will be met with being bashed and put down.

If you're a new grower, my best advice is to find other more friendly grow sites. There's a ton of them that will benefit you much more than the crap you will have to put up with here.
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RIU is the best by far, be we can call out disinformation. Sorry you're so sensitive
 
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Shredder5kallday

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Okay
lilroach said:
If you're new....focus on indica-dom strains...they're easy and resistant to the long list of beginner mistakes.

I have four 600 watts over my area...but would recommend 1000's...probably 4 if your room is 10x10 and you have good height (1000's shouldn't be any closer than 2' above your plants). If you have less than 6-7 feet of clearance....go with 600's and run six fixtures.

Don't go with the XXXL hoods.....stick with the standard sealed hoods....I got mine on Amazon for $60 a piece....just shop around. Craigslist is your friend if you shop wisely and are comfortable with buying used equipment.

No.....I don't run CO2 as of yet.....it's in my future...but not yet.

Do a ton of reading......honestly, this site is full of misinformation and contradictory advice. You'll get informational overload as you bounce from grow site to grow site. There's a shit-ton of videos out there.....stick with the professional videos and stay away from the home-made ones.

Find a mentor......Finding a mentor saved me about 2 years of fuck-ups. Look for someone on here with a ton of experience (sorry I'm not available) and has an extensive number of grow pictures.....I'm sure you'll find a good one and they'll be glad to help out. It's best to follow one's advice than trying to absorb the voices of many.

Keep it simple. There's a boat-load of advanced growing techniques on here....avoid them for your first couple of grows. Let your plants grow out naturally and you'll learn much about how they like to grow. Then try one or two techniques at a time to see what these changes do to your grow.

Don't over-love your plants. Every new grower, myself included, over water, over feed, over-light, and over-freak out. Weed is a real easy plant to grow....drop a seed in moist soil, don't drown it, keep your lights at a recommended distance from your plants, be very light on nutrients until 12/12, and you'll have a nice grow.
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Okay do u know anyone on here recommened tbh I want drop like 5 racks into sytem and have three room rotation im debating what to use on lighting im thinking of 3 sets of t8s in a closet maybe haveing 300 hundred cuttings going at time using clonex only and u said to use 1000 watt lights I was thinking bout uaing 600 fir my veg and 1000 wats for my bud u dont think using raptor hoods wouldnt help with the lighting be distubted evenly I thought about a light rail but fuck those cost same as hood do u recommend any strains and how many plants do u recommend for 10x10 room
 
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