First Grow-SH hydro, 400W HPS, G13 Diesel

blueybong

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Bluey, I noticed in your journal that you said you had a problem with putting a fan on the seedlings. Should I remove the fan that is blowing on them now? What kind of problems did you have?
I was just looking at your pics and yes, move the fan so it's not blowing directly on your seedlings. Point it towards the wall and the current will flow back over them.

Temps in the mid 80 range is OK, mine were in the mid 80's during the entire veg phase.

The seedlings do look like they're starting to stretch, so lower your lights to about 12" and leave your hand on top of your girls. If after a minute(wait the whole minute) it only feels warm, then you're good. If it feels too hot, raise them a couple of inches and repeat until your find the sweet spot.

Using a 400W light, it's OK it leave your door open because they'll have plenty of lumens to grow. Remember, it's in the flowering phase that you want max lumens and then you'll want your door closed. So between now & then, figure out how you're going to vent that closet.

Three popping out of six is OK! Just keep everything in balanced, ie pH, water temp, air temp and you'll be fine.
 

spies420

Active Member
Alright so I moved the light down to about 15 inches. My temp gauge that I have on top of my tub shot up to about 95 degrees. I have ice water in my humidifier and fans blowing cold air in but I'm not sure what to do. The only thought that I have is maybe dry ice. No idea if this would give off any cold air but if I kept a block of dry ice in the back of my room, do you think that would help? I live in a hot climate so its real hard to even pull cold air in.
 

blueybong

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Alright so I moved the light down to about 15 inches. My temp gauge that I have on top of my tub shot up to about 95 degrees. I have ice water in my humidifier and fans blowing cold air in but I'm not sure what to do. The only thought that I have is maybe dry ice. No idea if this would give off any cold air but if I kept a block of dry ice in the back of my room, do you think that would help? I live in a hot climate so its real hard to even pull cold air in.
I live in a hot climate too and it's not easy pulling in cool air. I don't know if dry ice will help, but it can't hurt. Would you blow a fan across the ice to help circulate it around the room?
CFL's are great to veg with. They are much cooler than the 400W bulb. You could go to Lowes/HD and buy some 65W or 42W daylight CFL's and just veg with those until they get stronger & taller, then switch back to the 400W system. If I were you, I'd buy four 65W CFL's with a "Y" spiltter(2 bulbs coming from one cord) and veg with those. Your heat problem is solved :bigjoint:


 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
I got to say that BlueyBong knows what he is talking about and I agree with him 100%. He is a well respected and knowledgable grower here.
 

spies420

Active Member
Ok well I will keep an eye on the temp. It looks like its back down to about 82. As long as I can keep it there, I think it will be good. If not, I'll grab some CFLs to veg with. On another note, sadly, it looks like I have a runt. The two girls in the front are looking great but the one in the back is having a hard time. She has one small spot on her leaf, probably from nute burn. Should I just leave her? Will she recover? Thanks again for all the help guys. It's great having knowledgeable people to help me out.

Also, I got the humidity up to 50%. What is the recomended humidity? Looks like the two in front are loving everything I'm throwing at them. Pics soon.
 

blueybong

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Ok well I will keep an eye on the temp. It looks like its back down to about 82. As long as I can keep it there, I think it will be good. If not, I'll grab some CFLs to veg with. On another note, sadly, it looks like I have a runt. The two girls in the front are looking great but the one in the back is having a hard time. She has one small spot on her leaf, probably from nute burn. Should I just leave her? Will she recover? Thanks again for all the help guys. It's great having knowledgeable people to help me out.

Also, I got the humidity up to 50%. What is the recomended humidity? Looks like the two in front are loving everything I'm throwing at them. Pics soon.
I'm not experienced enough to give you any insight into the runt. I'd let it be and see what happens over time.

50% is good, 60% better when their seedlings.
 

spies420

Active Member
so it looks like 2 of my plants are starting to grow sideways and not up. What could be the cause of this? Too much air movement in the room or is the light too close?
 

blueybong

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So here are a few pics of the plants that are growing sideways.
Is your rockwool dry, wet, soaked???

Are the roots in the water?

What's the pH?

I'm too new to help, so you may want to post this over on the MJ Plant Problem.

Sorry!
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
That diagonal grow is NO Problem, they will straighten up. They are only leaning toward the light.

If you are planing on a long term VEG cycle, like 5 weeks to maturity, the sideways growth would be a blessing.

i can tell that you are not rotating the lights. Or some growers jsut move the plants everyday.
 

spies420

Active Member
Thank you Roseman. And I've never heard about rotating the light. Should I just move my entire bucket? Also, with the runt, I have seen no roots come through the bottom yet. Also the rockwool was really dry so I pulled up a little water from the resevoir and poured a lil on the rockwool. Hope this helps.
 

blueybong

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Thank you Roseman. And I've never heard about rotating the light. Should I just move my entire bucket? Also, with the runt, I have seen no roots come through the bottom yet. Also the rockwool was really dry so I pulled up a little water from the resevoir and poured a lil on the rockwool. Hope this helps.
Bro, are your feeding tubes butted against or right under the RW? The RW should not dry out and this may be your problem.

Plus you should see roots by now, so make sure that the RW stay moist.

 

spies420

Active Member
yes the tubes are butted up to the rockwool. And on my two good plants, the roots are looking great and are both in the water. Ill have to do a lil investigation and see whats up
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
Thank you Roseman. And I've never heard about rotating the light. Should I just move my entire bucket? Also, with the runt, I have seen no roots come through the bottom yet. Also the rockwool was really dry so I pulled up a little water from the resevoir and poured a lil on the rockwool. Hope this helps. You did good.
You know how the sun moves across the sky, giving the plants different rays at different angles? You have to move the lights at least one inch daily, in any direction, or rotate the tank . Moving the lights is easier. The plants are going to grow toward the lights.

You need to water the rockwool cube frequently, until the roots are out and in the water.
 

IwasNASTYNATE101

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I wish you luck, my bubbler black pearl plants took such a left turn two weeks ago I have already pulled 2 of the 4 plants, and the other two wilted looking with spots plants left are a day or two from getting yanked, and I will go right back to soil where out of 20 grows I have suceeded 20 times. I hope your set up works, but my two cents is using that light is the WRONG idea. flouros for vegging, ESPECIALLY when they are small like that
 

spies420

Active Member
So it's been a few days since I've updated. Anyways, yesterday, I changed out all the water and added new water with 1/2 nutes. Looks like the girls suffered a little bit with a few yellowing leaves. I think it may be due to the water temp since the room was getting pretty hot for a while. Temp in the room is down in the low 80's. Humidity still in the 40-60% range.

I still have the runt in the back corner. I'm not sure what I can do about that one. I will go take some pics as soon as my camera charges. Thanks for the help guys.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
Diagnosis and Recuperation Guide
some tips



Both new leaves and mature leaves are the best indicators to determine how healthy your plants are. Any problem or illness will first manifest itself in the appearance of your leaves. These problems almost always originate from the plant's environment, PH imbalance or over-feeding and under feeding. These problems always result in what is called "nutritional lock-out".

Nutritional Lockout
Allow us to GIVE you a simplified definition of NUTRIONAL LOCKOUT.
Can you imagine sitting a plate before a child at dinner time, with his most favorite food, hot dogs, ketchup and french fries? But also on the plate is a major portion of steamed broccoli, which he is just not fond of and insists on nibbling on. Now imagine telling that child, "you can not eat the hot dog and fries if you do not eat all the broccoli too". NUTRITONAL LOCKOUT is when the child responds with "well then, I just won't eat!"

Most Hydro nutes nutrients are both nutritionally and PH balanced. But after being in your tank for 5 or 6 days, and being eaten from for 5 or 6 days, they become imbalanced. Perhaps you are growing plants that ate all the nitrogen first and just snacked around the iron, magnesium and calcium, or visa versa. The results are discoloration in the leaves, yellowing or rust spots, or curling up of leaf tips. It also becomes apparent when your plants were consuming a gallon or half gallon of water every day, and then suddenly when you check the levels the next day, they did not drink any water at all. This is NUTRITIONAL LOCKOUT.

Instead of giving lengthy descriptions of indications of overfeeding, underfeeding, ph imbalance, environmental problems and Nutritional Lockout here, it is easier to just give the remedy. Here we will refer to this remedy as THE RECUPERATION AND RECOVERY REMEDY.


THE 8 STEP RECUPERATION AND RECOVERY REMEDY

1. Check the roots. If they are discolored, reddish or brown, or present an unpleasant odor, you have a problem. If they are weak, soft or mushy, you have a problem. Also while checking the roots, observe the temperature of the water. If it is warmer than "luke warm" you have a problem. This problem is probably what is referred to as "root rot" or a disease known as PYTHIUM. Remove the dead brown roots by trimming them away with sharp scissors. Do not leave them in the tank.
2. Check the humidity and temperature of the grow area below the lights in the "growing zone" when the lights are on. A temperature of above 82 degrees or below 67 degrees will slow growth, but it is not a serious problem that will kill your plants. Temperatures below 62 degrees or above 90 degrees will stop growth. An extremely high temperature in the upper 90s or below 58 degrees can slowly result in death of your plants. The most efficient temps for growth are between 72 to 80 degrees. Any Humidity between 40 and 60 percent is acceptable and desirable.
3. Check the "lights off, nighttime" temperature. Most desirable is ten to 15 degrees cooler than the daytime "lights on" temperature, averaging 66 to 70 degrees.
4. Check the distance between the tips of the plant and the tip of the light bulb. If you observe yellowing or leaf curling tips, then move the lights one inch further away. A good rule of thumb if you use HID lights, is hold the soft palm of your hand at the leaf tip and see if the bulb is too warm to your hand. If you use Stealth Hydro's compact fluorescent bulbs, we recommend a distance of three or four inches for the 65 and 85 watt bulbs and 4 inches to five inches for the 105 watt bulbs. More mature plants can handle the bulbs slightly closer.
5. Check the position of your fans. Air movement is very necessary for the health of your plants, but too strong of a fan can cause wind burn. Direct your fan toward the tops of the plants and toward the lights. Never position the fan blowing strongly downward on the leaves.
6. Add 1/4 teaspoon of 3% hydrogen peroxide to a gallon of water and add it to the tank per 5 gallons already in the tank. Wait ten minutes and then turn the water and nutrition solution pump off to prepare to drain the tank. Poor at least a cup of clean water through each grow cup, onto each rockwool cube and through the hydroton rocks.
7. Drain or pump the tank empty as possible without damaging the pump by running it dry. Add two gallons of additional clean water with 4 teaspoons of hydrogen peroxide again and then drain it away too. Again, empty the tank as empty as possible without burning up your pump.
8. Add fresh PH balanced water and nutritional packets as prescribed. PH test it again.

The above 8 steps should repair and remedy any health problems that your plants experienced within the next two days. Now is the time to try and determine what caused the problem to start with, by investigating and researching typical hydroponics problems and illnesses. Here are a few DIAGNOSIS TIPS.


Typical Hydroponics Problems and Illnesses

Underfeeding and Weak Nutrition
The entire plant, both upper and lower leaves, will show lime or light green in color.
The plant will not eat, drink or show growth.
It is time to follow the 8 Step Remedy.

Overfeeding, Use of Too Strong Nutrients
The leaves will curl downward. They grow very dark dull flat green and then the tips show signs of burn.
It is time to follow the 8 Step Remedy.

Nutritional Lockout
You know that you have made recent PH adjustments. You might know you may have used too much of the PH Adjustment Solution. You may have failed to test the PH often enough. You notice the plants did not eat or drink because they did not consume the same amount of water they used yesterday. You see rust spots. The large lower leaves are prematurely dying and you are not in the BLOOMING or FLOWERING stage.
It is time to follow the 8 Step Remedy.

Wind Burn
You had the fan blowing downward toward the upper side of the leaves, instead of blowing up through the node spaces or toward the lights. You observe the leaves becoming dry or even crispy, perhaps shriveling, and the tips curling upward. The leaves do not appear glossy, moist and vibrant.
It is time to follow the 8 Step Remedy.

Water, Nutrition Solution or Roots Are Discolored Brown Or Have an Unpleasant Odor
You notice your water is becoming brownish in color, or smells distasteful. Your solution does not smell pleasant and appetizing like fresh lettuce. Your roots are not the same shade of white that they once were a week ago.
It is time to follow the 8 Step Remedy.
 
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