First Mushroom Grow!

RetiredMatthebrute said:

nice man, looks good from here. dont be sorry, it was my choice to end the project as it was not working out well where i had it. next time when i set up i will do things alot different and will have some monster flushes i hope.

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I am amazed I am even getting any positive results considering the location of when I am doing my grow. My grandmother has lived in this damn house for 40+ years not to mention my aunt, uncle and 3 cousins have lived here the past 10-15+ years so it is FULL of shit EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!! Then on top of that you have all the nasty ass animals that have been and are in this house pissing and shitting everywhere! I guess my OCD on sterile techniques has paid off.

On a side note for those of you interested I have started another journal for my outdoor grow. You can check it out here or you can just click the link in my sig.

Ok so I went ahead and put my casing into my FC yesterday. Before anyone gets to excited(look at pics) I know I should have allowed my casing a bit more time to do its thing but I decided I wanted to go ahead and start fruiting to get something to show for all my efforts thus far.

Will have more to case here in the next week or two as my G2G appears to of gone off without any issues and the other jars I have colonizing are quickly catching up!


Enjoy
MJG

Cubensis don't really benefit from a casing layer.

A quote from RogerRabbit

Cubensis don't need a casing layer, and little is to be gained by one unless you're an expert grower and know how to fine tune a casing. Otherwise, it will cause more problems than it solves.
RR

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RR is the man, and I have fruited cubes without casing layers, but
I believe that they do have the ability to buffer the changes in moisture
levels at the sub's surface. I think that this can make them more forgiving.

MJG, the tradition is to wait until the mycelium is "peeking" through the casing,
but this is not critical for cubes either.

Good luck,

JD

Javadog said:

RR is the man, and I have fruited cubes without casing layers, but
I believe that they do have the abilitky to buffer the changes in moisture
levels at the sub's surface. I think that this can make them more forgiving.

MJG, the tradition is to wait until the mycelium is "peeking" through the casing,
but this is not critical for cubes either.

Good luck,

JD

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What do you mean by peeking through? Should I be alright as things are?

Yes, I wrote first-most to say that you should be fine.

"peeking through the casing" is a reference to the traditional
trigger-point for putting a cased mushroom grow into fruiting
conditions.

The traditional approach was to pasteurize the casing soil and
case the grow in as-sterile-as-possible conditions. Then the
cased grow is covered back up and the mycelium is allowed to
colonize the casing layer.

....but only up to the point where the growth can just be seen
to be reaching the surface of the casing layer.

That is when the grow is placed into fruiting conditions.

Now, all of this being said, cubes are very strong fruiters. They
will fruit in-vitro, cased, or uncased.

You can put a casing straight into fruiting conditions and do fine.

The only issue is that there will still be a short period while the
casing is colonized, and during this period the grow will be exposed
as opposed to protected.

This is another reason why I direct new growers toward SGFCs
rather than the humidified greenhouse....SGFCs are very stable.
GHs need tweaking.

Good luck,

JD

tylerrrrr said:

Cubensis don't really benefit from a casing layer.

A quote from RogerRabbit

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A bike rider doesn't need a 10 speed either, a single speed will do and one could say that there is "little to be gained" by having 9 other gears, unless you are an "expert" rider.

In pot growing, you don't "need" anything but dirt from your back yard in a pot.

Check out shroomery.org for stuff like that dude. They're pros over there

canndo said:

A bike rider doesn't need a 10 speed either, a single speed will do and one could say that there is "little to be gained" by having 9 other gears, unless you are an "expert" rider.

In pot growing, you don't "need" anything but dirt from your back yard in a pot.

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Well said canndo. Glad to see you are still peeking in from time to time.

tylerrrrr said:

Cubensis don't really benefit from a casing layer.

A quote from RogerRabbit

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BS I've tried without a casing and without it a lot of moisture is lost that could have been potential weight.

canndo said:

A bike rider doesn't need a 10 speed either, a single speed will do and one could say that there is "little to be gained" by having 9 other gears, unless you are an "expert" rider.

In pot growing, you don't "need" anything but dirt from your back yard in a pot.

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good point, i agree 100% that a casing layer is not needed. i cant say for sure how much of a difference it makes but like any hobby the more skilled you get in it the more complex you can take your craft. me personally i am trying to get to a point where i can get a good method of bulk sub. then i will work on casing.

MJ glad to see everything is coming along.

Cubensis don't need a casing layer, and little is to be gained by one unless you're an expert grower and know how to fine tune a casing. Otherwise, it will cause more problems than it solves.
RR

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its pretty obvious that he is talking to novice growers, i think his point is to fine tune the nececities first then work on the next step.

I have what appears to be the start of pins in my FC! There is 3-4 nice sized clusters if that is in fact what they are. Someone confirm this for me please.

.s. Love the camera on the new S4, what do you guys think?

hard to tell but if it is pins it wont be long before they are big enough to know without a doubt.

RetiredMatthebrute said:

hard to tell but if it is pins it wont be long before they are big enough to know without a doubt.

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After checking again today I am almost positive I In fact have pins starting! Guessing in the next day or two I will have noticeable fruits. I am also seeing what appers to be(and I hope is) bruising and not tric setting in already.

Yes, I think that I see some....but it is really hard to be certain.

Perhaps a high res photo that you can upload just a small excerpt from?
(to keep the server from auto-crunching your files upon upload)

I am sure that you are on track.

Good luck,

JD

RetiredMatthebrute said:

good point, i agree 100% that a casing layer is not needed. i cant say for sure how much of a difference it makes but like any hobby the more skilled you get in it the more complex you can take your craft. me personally i am trying to get to a point where i can get a good method of bulk sub. then i will work on casing.

MJ glad to see everything is coming along.




its pretty obvious that he is talking to novice growers, i think his point is to fine tune the nececities first then work on the next step.

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Casing is the point where you can actually control your flushes rather than waiting for the organism to languish long enough to HAVE to fruit out of absolute necessity, my advice is that if you can grow though a substrate at all it is time to case, that is where you will get your yield. (regardless of what anyone says btw)

MJG420 said:

I have what appears to be the start of pins in my FC! There is 3-4 nice sized clusters if that is in fact what they are. Someone confirm this for me please.

.s. Love the camera on the new S4, what do you guys think?

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"Pre-Pin" or knots, tiny round conglomerations, your pins will be along shortly if you can manage your environment.

canndo said:

Casing is the point where you can actually control your flushes rather than waiting for the organism to languish long enough to HAVE to fruit out of absolute necessity, my advice is that if you can grow though a substrate at all it is time to case, that is where you will get your yield. (regardless of what anyone says btw)

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right now casing seems to be my downfall so to get anything i just fruit strait from sub. once i can fine tune things i plan on attempting bulk sub and casing once again.

RetiredMatthebrute said:

right now casing seems to be my downfall so to get anything i just fruit strait from sub. once i can fine tune things i plan on attempting bulk sub and casing once again.

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What is it about casing that fails for you?

canndo said:

"Pre-Pin" or knots, tiny round conglomerations, your pins will be along shortly if you can manage your environment.

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Indeed they have started to in fact pin! By looking at the knots it looks like I should get an nice amount from this one casing. I am excited as hell, thankfully the weather is going to be nice this weekend so I may go spend a night in the woods to take em for a test drive.

About how long should I expect it to take for them to fully mature?

Also do I want to continue to mist my casing( haven't been the past couple days) or will the vermiculite provide enough moisture from this point forward?