First time hydro, RDWC, torus hydro review

Wastei

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In dwc you want the fluctuation to make more nutes available.
Do you have any article supporting this claim? It goes against every single logic reasoning IMO. You can argue that some minerals are more available at different pH values.

Having no pH fluctuations is less stressful to the plant IMO. I set pH and don't have to make any inputs for 14 days, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

There's not much different uptake at pH 5.7 and 6.4, negliable at best.
 

Wastei

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Well... look to nature for the answer. Do you believe that the ph stays stable in outdoor soil in the wild?
That's what's good about growing hydroponically though. Doing a better work than nature by removing as many variables as possible. No pH swings, no living cultures and nutrient readily available in solution.
 

Samworks

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Well... look to nature for the answer. Do you believe that the ph stays stable in outdoor soil in the wild?
No, soil ph is all over place, but luckily sool has its own natural buffers, so plants can grow in wider variety of ph. This is my 2nd grow. First was soil, and turned out amazing for a first timer, but I know mistakes I made forsure. Also know the time and time is $ cause of the lights. I’d rather grow 2-3x faster and control everything. I never once checked the ph of my soil. Only added distilled water, every other added fox farm. Turned out good, besides fact I never heard of a hermaphrodite. I’m on 9-10 bloom, waiting for my crystals to start ambering. Just wanted like 10-15%. Well I had I think 30x magnifying glass. Thought I was seeing them perfectly fine. Past 10 weeks and I just feel like something is right. Start looking closer and realizing male pollen sacks forming. Most horrible feeling dude. Lol by that time all of them had been infected, some worst then others, but turned out alright. I stressed them out to much. Light closer, and got 6/8th week mixed. So started flushing early, realized it week later, then by then didn’t wanna give me anything. So much trial and error. All my knowledge comes from the internet and of coarse books and hands on. Not from anybody. Nice talking to people interested same thing
 

Hollatchaboy

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Ya I Like towards end ph does go down some. I hooked up a 32G brute res... now I didn’t want to do too off res, I just feel like recirculating all round would be better. Well dude nightmare. Water sensors going off every night. Pump taking water, one giving. My res was about 14” off ground. Thought I could get it. Have ball valve try to tame the gravity fed, going into my pump, going into controls module. My pump taking water to res I set it higher bc I had overflow on res. As long as res getting filled faster. But if the RDWC does, fucked. That’s exactly what happened, thank god I was 5 min from home. I had just got first inline filter, and it clogged up super fast, and that’s how that happened. Before inline filter I had nothing and water was so bad. Filter fixed that right up. I’ve had water leak more times then both hands. I wish I had just done the top off now. So now I said fuck the res, have 6 10G tote, 60G for 18-24 clone SOG , then 3 big 10G brute cans for 2 mommies SCROG, control bucket middle. No need for res. Just takes space and water. Useful for big operations. Small ones just a waste of nutes kinda.
id get a res float valve. It'll only let water into control bucket when it gets to a certain level. I actually prefer just doing single dwc buckets. Less bacteria and pathogens to spread around. I've gotten my best results that way.
 

Samworks

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Do you have any article supporting this claim? It goes against every single logic reasoning IMO. You can argue that some minerals are more available at different pH values.

Having no pH fluctuations is less stressful to the plant IMO. I set pH and don't have to make any inputs for 14 days, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

There's not much different uptake at pH 5.7 and 6.4, negliable at best.
I don’t want 6.4 , I’ve read both ways. But decided I like 5.4/5.5-6/6.1. But my perfectph keeps it at 5.7-9 most time and only 5.5 towards end, and their loving it. But ya less stressful, I can see that. But more stressful the stronger the plant. My system is usually 5.7 all time.
 

Hollatchaboy

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Do you have any article supporting this claim? It goes against every single logic reasoning IMO. You can argue that some minerals are more available at different pH values.

Having no pH fluctuations is less stressful to the plant IMO. I set pH and don't have to make any inputs for 14 days, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

There's not much different uptake at pH 5.7 and 6.4, negliable at best.
Do you believe ph stays stable in soil in the wild? I highly doubt that it would because of the many variables involved. Cannabis is a weed, meaning it grows in the toughest and harshest environments. I doubt a fluctuation of not even a point would be
That's what's good about growing hydroponically though. Doing a better work than nature by removing as many variables as possible. No pH swings, no living cultures and nutrient readily available in solution.
You can't do better than nature. Why do guys grow trees outdoors, when all i can get in hydro is bushes?
 

Samworks

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Do you have any article supporting this claim? It goes against every single logic reasoning IMO. You can argue that some minerals are more available at different pH values.

Having no pH fluctuations is less stressful to the plant IMO. I set pH and don't have to make any inputs for 14 days, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

There's not much different uptake at pH 5.7 and 6.4, negliable at best.
Yes. I could send u all kinds of different articles. Go on google, type in “ph RDWC “ and some say 5.8-6.2, some 5.5-6.2 5.4-6. I guess it just depends on how your system wants to act and what u using. The growers Bible by Jorge Cervantes, he says 5.6-6.2 I think.... but also mentions the other factors. Have u really only ever read an article Thats said you want stable ph? I mean tectonically 5.5-6.2 is considered “Stable”. Unstable be like 4-6 . But I think that’s the misunderstanding here. The word “stable”.
 

Hollatchaboy

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Yes. I could send u all kinds of different articles. Go on google, type in “ph RDWC “ and some say 5.8-6.2, some 5.5-6.2 5.4-6. I guess it just depends on how your system wants to act and what u using. The growers Bible by Jorge Cervantes, he says 5.6-6.2 I think.... but also mentions the other factors. Have u really only ever read an article Thats said you want stable ph? I mean tectonically 5.5-6.2 is considered “Stable”. Unstable be like 4-6 . But I think that’s the misunderstanding here. The word “stable”.
Plus in dwc you have to take co2 from pumping in air into consideration, so acid rain effect is going to lower ph no matter what.
 

Samworks

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Do you believe ph stays stable in soil in the wild? I highly doubt that it would because of the many variables involved. Cannabis is a weed, meaning it grows in the toughest and harshest environments. I doubt a fluctuation of not even a point would be

You can't do better than nature. Why do guys grow trees outdoors, when all i can get in hydro is bushes?
id get a res float valve. It'll only let water into control bucket when it gets to a certain level. I actually prefer just doing single dwc buckets. Less bacteria and pathogens to spread around. I've gotten my best results that way.
Ya but thing is I bought a aqua chiller the hydro one. 1/4hp, just so I could keep water at 67-68 and not worry about UC Roots or pathogens. To cold for them. That’s another reason why I chose RDWC. But chiller uses 400w hour, and my room has enough juice, have to do some electrical / construction all together for that. So got a $500 chiller sitting never even been turned on. Sucks, thought bout returning it. Just got 5 Gal uc roots til then.
 

Hollatchaboy

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Lol I'm not saying anybody is right or wrong. Every plant and situation is different. What works for me may not work for you or your plant.
 

Samworks

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Plus in dwc you have to take co2 from pumping in air into consideration, so acid rain effect is going to lower ph no matter what.
Yes absolutely, I use clay pebbles, and treat them for week before use. They haven’t given me any issues at all. Also the colder the water the less pathogens, the more oxygen it is able to hold, and plants grow better bc of oxygen. And also not as much condensation with cooler water.
 

Hollatchaboy

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Ya but thing is I bought a aqua chiller the hydro one. 1/4hp, just so I could keep water at 67-68 and not worry about UC Roots or pathogens. To cold for them. That’s another reason why I chose RDWC. But chiller uses 400w hour, and my room has enough juice, have to do some electrical / construction all together for that. So got a $500 chiller sitting never even been turned on. Sucks, thought bout returning it. Just got 5 Gal uc roots til then.
I got one too and never used it. Hydroguard keeps things in check for me. My temps have gotten as high as 73 and I've never had a problem.
 

Samworks

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Lol I'm not saying anybody is right or wrong. Every plant and situation is different. What works for me may not work for you or your plant.
Lol I agree with that. but you and I are doing the same. Stable at 5.7-9 lol I was just posting about the torus hydro cause of customer service. I have 2 white ion bags, and only 1 torus filter. So that means I just need a filter with ends and I have a reservoir one from them. They gave me a $250 dollar product for free, but didn’t have the original filter. I just have to buy a $10 filter now. But I have so much ph perfect nutes now, that I don’t even need the damn thing. Just be a waste. A shame. I’d rather have $300 back then it. And still keep 1 bag and still have 1. ‍♂ Lol
 

Samworks

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I got one too and never used it. Hydroguard keeps things in check for me. My temps have gotten as high as 73 and I've never had a problem.
Ya I have a liter of hydro guard as well. I got all kinds shit. Only bought it cause using uc roots first 2-3 weeks water smelt horrible no matter if I just changed or what. Didn’t make sense. Well it was bc I had no inline filter yet. All the root rot that was trying to come off from uc roots was just floating around. Would change it and 1 hr later back. I thought it was uc roots, so got HG, but the inline filter came before it, and solved the issue right up. I have voodoo, big bud, overdrive, now I just want flawless finish. Wanna use sensizym by them but says expert. Idk if that means I can’t add it to what I have or what. And then B-52 isn’t on Amazon. Curious, how long u been growing?
 

Samworks

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I got one too and never used it. Hydroguard keeps things in check for me. My temps have gotten as high as 73 and I've never had a problem.
Ya and HG u only add during res change. Uc roots depending on water temp add 3-7 ml/G every 2-5 days. And it’s more expensive. But I seen 3 different experiments and uc roots came out on top every time. 1G is like 80 bucks, 5G 180. Answer was clear. Lol
 

Samworks

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Ya but thing is I bought a aqua chiller the hydro one. 1/4hp, just so I could keep water at 67-68 and not worry about UC Roots or pathogens. To cold for them. That’s another reason why I chose RDWC. But chiller uses 400w hour, and my room has enough juice, have to do some electrical / construction all together for that. So got a $500 chiller sitting never even been turned on. Sucks, thought bout returning it. Just got 5 Gal uc roots til then.
Also I did get a res float valve. It said large flow 3/4 float valve. But at the time wasn’t keeping up with my pump. I knew how to fix something every time it fucked up, but I wouldn’t have a connection or adapter or something to keep me from it. Dude I have like 250 worth extra plumbing from my mind. Have 1 1/2 pvc right now. Bought black 2” rubber hydro farm pvc, and 8 pack 2 inch bulk seals. Well scratch that. 2” connectors are $10-40 a piece. Fuck that. I’m just using simple 3/4 tubing. I’m tired of pvc, tired of uniseals! Took me 4 hours to get it out together perfect without shoving it in to far and having to restart. So now I have all of this extra shit, I am gonna try returning majority of it. Just didn’t want small tube and strong sucking force to suck roots in. But fuck it, no longer spending $ like this. 3/4 it is.
 

Samworks

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Do you believe ph stays stable in soil in the wild? I highly doubt that it would because of the many variables involved. Cannabis is a weed, meaning it grows in the toughest and harshest environments. I doubt a fluctuation of not even a point would be

You can't do better than nature. Why do guys grow trees outdoors, when all i can get in hydro is bushes?
Do you believe ph stays stable in soil in the wild? I highly doubt that it would because of the many variables involved. Cannabis is a weed, meaning it grows in the toughest and harshest environments. I doubt a fluctuation of not even a point would be

You can't do better than nature. Why do guys grow trees outdoors, when all i can get in hydro is bushes?
Ya you can grows tree cannabis outside but only closer to equator. If u live up north and have seasons, inside it is. Lol but you can grow a huge cannabis tree inside, of coarse looks different because usually have ceilings where it’s at, outside plants don’t have to get trimmed and tamed as much, so ya they look huge. But bet you plant seed outside, and one inside, both hydroponically. Outside will get huge, inside will have more work done but in return have bigger thicker, more nugs. Both ways are great. If I lived on equator I’d do hydroponic outside, and train it like it was inside. All even canopy, scrog. They would be bea-uti-ful. Lol
 

Hollatchaboy

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Ya I have a liter of hydro guard as well. I got all kinds shit. Only bought it cause using uc roots first 2-3 weeks water smelt horrible no matter if I just changed or what. Didn’t make sense. Well it was bc I had no inline filter yet. All the root rot that was trying to come off from uc roots was just floating around. Would change it and 1 hr later back. I thought it was uc roots, so got HG, but the inline filter came before it, and solved the issue right up. I have voodoo, big bud, overdrive, now I just want flawless finish. Wanna use sensizym by them but says expert. Idk if that means I can’t add it to what I have or what. And then B-52 isn’t on Amazon. Curious, how long u been growing?
I was growing in Cali from 2010-2012. Then I moved back to Illinois and met my ex... she wouldn't let me grow. She left me 2 years ago and I picked growing back up. It's different now tho cuz I'm doing hydro and using led instead of hps.
 

Hollatchaboy

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Also I did get a res float valve. It said large flow 3/4 float valve. But at the time wasn’t keeping up with my pump. I knew how to fix something every time it fucked up, but I wouldn’t have a connection or adapter or something to keep me from it. Dude I have like 250 worth extra plumbing from my mind. Have 1 1/2 pvc right now. Bought black 2” rubber hydro farm pvc, and 8 pack 2 inch bulk seals. Well scratch that. 2” connectors are $10-40 a piece. Fuck that. I’m just using simple 3/4 tubing. I’m tired of pvc, tired of uniseals! Took me 4 hours to get it out together perfect without shoving it in to far and having to restart. So now I have all of this extra shit, I am gonna try returning majority of it. Just didn’t want small tube and strong sucking force to suck roots in. But fuck it, no longer spending $ like this. 3/4 it is.
Yea I ended up spending way more than I wanted, and I keep spending more. Lol.... this is what I started with and I'm still currently using, but I think I'm gonna go back to individual buckets.
 

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Kdoggy

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When I ran dwc, I would let the ph drift up from 5.5 to 6.2-6.3. It makes more nutes available through the ph ranges. Don't chase a perfect ph. You'll be disappointed. Besides I highly doubt in nature, that the ph in soil stays constant. Too many variables.
I do the exact same thing and always produce quality and quantity i totally agree it grabs what it needs when it drifts.
 
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